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Just how good is Zen 2 if Intel is this worried?
Just how good is Zen 2 if Intel is this worried?
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Rumor: Intel is considering the acquisition of AMD
- Thread starter Soundchaser
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Well technically for server parts it could be since ARM is becoming quite competitive, but for consumer desktop chips it would leave only Intel and it's kind of a package deal, so it ain't happening.
Monopolies are not technically illegal. They are many functional monopolies.
Technically no.
When it comes to consumer products the rise of ARM undercuts the importance of x86 processors.
When it comes to servers IBM is a big competitor and ARM is starting to compete there too.
When it comes to supercomputing it won't do a damn thing among the actual big players in that space.
No, this is against U.S. Antitrust laws, and this article shouldn't even have been written because it literally cannot happen. It's not a might, maybe, if, when, it's literally not happening. The FTC wouldn't allow it at all. I don't know what c-level executive they're talking to, but it clearly is someone who knows fuck all about antitrust laws and Intel's previous acts of breaching antitrust laws with its rebate scandal.
Yo, WTF? Fuck off man. There would be no competition to speak of if this happens. Especially when we finally have some in the CPU dept.
*Not sure if technically illegal,* but it probably would never be approved by regulators due to competition and monopoly concerns.
OP should have clarified, I read the entire article while on the metro a few hours ago. This is all speculation, the writer says so:
and one more quote just so everyone can set their mind at ease:
End of the day, this is all theory crafting, something people in the industry love doing.
Yes, some say it could be a remote possibility with ARM entering the server market, but again it's all speculation
and one more quote just so everyone can set their mind at ease:
End of the day, this is all theory crafting, something people in the industry love doing.
Yes, some say it could be a remote possibility with ARM entering the server market, but again it's all speculation
US government wouldn't let this. AMD and Intel are the biggest competitors in their market. If they consolidate it'll turn computer CPUs into a monopoly.
My thoughts exactly.
I know what I'm buying next time I upgrade my computer at least :)
I don't care about AMD products but this is bad news, I don't want Intel eat the CPU market (and soon the GPU market).
Wait, I really thought this is about GPUs... it would make a lot of sense.
Can't they do that? Just buy off the GPU branch and leave CPUs to AMD?
Can't they do that? Just buy off the GPU branch and leave CPUs to AMD?
The odds of that passing legal muster are approximately zero, even in a pro-business Trump administration. Intel would own effectively 100% of the desktop and laptop CPU market.
Not even possible.
Intel and AMD are the only consumer level CPU makers, them merging into one company would legit be a monopoly.
Zero percent chance of that happening.
Intel and AMD are the only consumer level CPU makers, them merging into one company would legit be a monopoly.
Zero percent chance of that happening.
In a world with intelligent people, Intel would be forced to spin off some part of their company as to not have a complete monopoly.
We don't live in that world. Let the merger commence.
We don't live in that world. Let the merger commence.
Doesn't matter what the "market" is, this will create a monopoly and there's a good chance this doesn't get regulatory approval.
As someone else said, there are tons of monopolies in many industries right now.
You said it better than I was about to. Sounds like clickbait to me.
But where does the monopoly part come in? Mobile computing (phones, and tablets) are almost all not x86 and have an ever increasing share of the market. Servers are losing ground to ARM and the trend will only continue. Game consoles? You could say that AMD already has a 'monopoly' so switching that from one team to another isn't going to do anything (especially with ARM/Nvidia making ways into it via Switch)
The only place you could say that'd be an issue is with desktop PCs, but even apple is starting to transition away from x86 for it's Mac line to hardware it has in house. PC gaming will be the last real bastion in that regard, which isn't a small market mind you... but I wouldn't be surprised if in the next 5 years we see high end PC games supporting both x86 and mac's hardware.
x86 isn't doomed (yet) but it's far from being the center of the computing world like it was even 10 years ago.
(note, my gaming PC is a ryzen 1600 and a RX580, I'm not standing for Intel nor do I particularly want x86 hardware to come from a single vendor. I think people are just putting too much stock on this monopoly defense).
To be honest, the first thing that popped into my mind was, "it sounded so far-fetched, I would actually like to see this happening, so I can prove to myself I live in a parallel timeline."
But it's on the brink of illegal monopoly. Unless they are attempting for a duopoly.
But it's on the brink of illegal monopoly. Unless they are attempting for a duopoly.
Not sure what you're talking about, this is not 1990 anymore.
X86 is not the predominant and only computing market anymore.
Neither in the consumer space, nor in the commercial space.
There is Nvidia with a huge GPU compute presence. There is Qualcomm and there is ARM in general. Apple is doing their own designs. Mediatek and Samsung.
So for both foundry and designing microprocessors there is still plenty of competition everywhere.
There would most likely be some restrictions and requirements, but in no way is this a 100% not possible situtation.
