It was tongue in cheek, yes. "Let the past die" is as redundant as "Only a Sith deals in absolutes" ;)
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Rumor: First concept pictures of Star Wars 9
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It was tongue in cheek, yes. "Let the past die" is as redundant as "Only a Sith deals in absolutes" ;)
Maybe he turned around and pulled it towards him as he walks out. Who cares?
TFA is my favorite Star Wars film, so it definitely has me pretty excited.
God. That asshole would have probably written some dude to mansplain to Rey or some dumb shit like that.
People keep using that line like it was the moral of the film and Ren's beliefs, when in the context of the film, it was just his own warped logic attempting to justify killing Han, killing the other Jedi, giving into the Dark Side, etc and attempting to bring Rey to his side
You don't put an actor like adam driver behind a mask the whole time.
I hope they use it sparingly, like only in fight scenes or something.
I hope they use it sparingly, like only in fight scenes or something.
It's a glaring error. First, JJ gets rid of the helmet at the end of TFA, then RJ nonsensically brings it back only to destroy it for JJ then to bring it back again in IX. The damn helmet basically represents the directionlessness of the sequel trilogy.
I'm fine with the mask coming back.
TLJ was his chance at redemption of returning to humanity, he ejected it, now he's truly the guy who murdered his Dad in cold blood
TLJ was his chance at redemption of returning to humanity, he ejected it, now he's truly the guy who murdered his Dad in cold blood
Yup. JJ gonna JJ. Knew what to expect when he came back on board.
Oh well. It'll at least be a fun ride
You're complaining about nothing. You can easily invent an explanation for such a minor detail. Maybe he went back and grabbed it. Maybe he ordered some stormtrooper to go pick it up. It doesn't matter.
I hope kylo has an intresting dark side force gimmick and not just lightning agian, same for knights of ren
Need more new force powers after force Skype and force shadow clone jutstu.
Need more new force powers after force Skype and force shadow clone jutstu.
I think it makes far more sense for him to create a new identity or appearance. His crushing of the mask was a turning point for his character -- he's no longer owned/controlled by Snoke.
An unanswered question about a small detail in a Star Wars movie??
I expect the helmet retrieval to be shown in great detail in Rogue Two: A Star Wars Story in 2022.
I never saw that mask as attached to Snoke but fair point.
I'll be honest the mask looks cool and I don't think it's a major thing to bring back so I'm fine with it lol
He didn't wear the mask because Snoke made him do it. In fact, it appears Snoke hated the mask.
If anything, putting it back on is a giant "fuck you" to his deceased former master.
I get why he had it originally - he wanted to be like Darth Vader, so he was basically a child dressing up in an edgy way to look intimidating. Why would the Supreme Leader of the First Order need to hide his face any more, especially if his whole ideology is about letting the past die?
It's obviously not a disguise either because who'd be stupid enough to use the same mask if they intended to go unnoticed?
I know! The movie has no moral. It pulls on a lot of contradictory strings, making it more of a nihilistic deconstruction of the monomyth (with a tagged on 4th act reversal for the sake of the franchise).
Anyway, don't want to start that old tired discussion here. Let the past die ;)
Because quite literally he's now a child with supreme power, so fuck you he can wear what he wants.
I always just assumed he went back for it and before his confrontation with Rey and Finn and just see dropped it before approaching them. Not too big of a deal
The entire First Order just watched his baby face get owned by Luke Skywalker. A pathetic wretch like him would probably be too embarrassed to show his face again.
Since it's JJ, we can assume they'll be identical to Luke and Vader's.
They're going to have to do better than that if they really want him to stand beside the likes of Vader and Palpatine as iconic villains. So far everything he does, everything he stands for, is the incessant whining of a child who doesn't think his parents loved him enough.
That is not how you write a good villain. That's how you write a pathetic one.
He is a pathetic one
The whole idea is that the First Order are the Alt-Right to the Empire's Nazis
That's actually why I love it so much, these villains are pathetic.
They aren't cool. I mean the mask looks cool but the person wearing it isn't
The mask is something born out of the control and manipulation of Snoke; it represents the grip he had on Kylo. By destroying it, he freed himself of that ownership. Take a look at the way the scene is filmed and you can realize the obvious symbolic meaning of the mask itself (that he's just pretending to be something he's not will always keep him inside the shadow of Snoke). Piecing it back together, to me, just makes no sense from a thematic standpoint.
A new identity altogether makes far more sense, or an alteration of what we see after Snoke's murder. IMO. I think mask off makes the most sense, even if it's not necessarily the coolest looking design.
The mask is an emulation of the past. TLJ, from the villain's perspective, is about ridding of that past.
So I don't think EP9 should really reverse that direction.
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Because the mask is lined with some kind of red substance holdings together
This is how I feel about them as well, lol. Whether this was the directors plans or not, who knows, haha. Their whole back story not really being explained is a fuck up I think.
I like kylos character though. This whiny, insecure , powerful person.
I've happy the mask is coming back. It looks awesome. He doesn't have to be on all the time, maybe just fight scenes. Driver is a good actor. We should see his face.
Hoping for knights of ren as well.
Same place Luke's lightsabre ends up between Empire and TFA, some sort of hole where important plot points go
Nah. Snoke definitely called the mask pathetic or something to that effect and demanded Ben remove it. It was what Ben wore to emulate Anakin, I assume out of a belief that it made him look intimidating.
So I can see why people are saying Ben wearing it again is an act of defiance against Snoke, but that's an extremely immature and childish action to take. The guy is dead. He doesn't give a crap what Ben wears any more and, as you say, it makes more sense that Ben would give himself a new wardrobe to reflect his newfound power as leader of the First Order.
Kinda funny how Ben had the potential to be really cool and unique and he's actually just a Vader fanboy that turned evil because it would hurt the parents he doesn't think loved him enough.
I edited my post if you want to take a look.
Kylo emulating the past and operating under Snoke's control are intertwined; it doesn't make much sense for why he would have any desire to rebuild what it stood for.
Yes, that's exactly what he is by design
Villains don;t need to be cool to be effective villains, in fact getting away from cool is good.
Not so sure about that. Snoke's dialog in TLJ suggests that it was actually Snoke who planted the idea in Kylo's head that he was special because he was part of Vader's bloodline. "When I found you, ahh, I saw what all Masters live to see. Raw, untamed power. But beyond that, something truly special. The potential of your bloodline: a new ... Vader."
It's not clear to me if Kylo was just a Vader fanboy from jump or if Snoke encouraged that idolization. So what Surfinn is saying is true in my opinion. Smashing the mask was symbolic of him breaking away from his masters control and manipulation.
lol I seriously doubt he's going to get enough screentime in 2:30~ to make up for the last two, much less proper service to his character
didn't snoke tell him to take the stupid mask off
if anything now that snoke is gone it makes sense he puts it back on. he gets to be edgelord he always wanted to be
I like Kylo's helmet and I'm glad it's back but I was hoping the rest of him would be a little more interesting too. Maybe something more regal looking since he decided he's king of the galaxy now.
That red and black helmet would have gone well with some red and black robes or something kinda like this (but maybe a little less videogamey).
That red and black helmet would have gone well with some red and black robes or something kinda like this (but maybe a little less videogamey).