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Orion

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
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I know right??? Lol it's pretty awesome. It's cool that people see me as the director because of the FFXVI idea I pitched YEARS ago back on NeoGaf.

Surely you're not implying that it's all been a lie and you're not actually the director?? Don't shatter my world like this Mediking.
 

LowParry

Member
Oct 26, 2017
5,735
Lol no it doesn't. Even most XIV fans won't defend ARR as a good FF game. Maybe some people are willing to spend the time and/or money to slog through it but I'm not.

They did streamline ARR but I'm not sure how better that makes the experience. Or how long it takes to get through it.
 

Quinton

Specialist at TheGamer / Reviewer at RPG Site
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Oct 25, 2017
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Midgar, With Love
Don't shatter my world like this

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DNAbro

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Oct 25, 2017
25,875
Lol no it doesn't. Even most XIV fans won't defend ARR as a good FF game. Maybe some people are willing to spend the time and/or money to slog through it but I'm not.

I know, you've repeated these thoughts on like every FFXIV related thread. going "lol FFXIV" but acting like there isn't a good reason why people love the game is why your opinion sucks. ARR is a slog, FFXIV is also worth going through for the stuff past ARR. And you are going to say "you should be able to skip to the good part then" cause this circle never fucking ends.

FFXIV team has some of the most talented people at Square currently. Your feelings about ARR does not mean those apply to their other works.
 

Zen Hero

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Oct 25, 2017
5,629
Hype if it's by the FF14 team!

I am curious how they are going to differentiate it from 14. Assuming it's a singe player game, no matter what they do, the story is going to feel a lot smaller than 14's. So I feel like there really has to be something special about to set it apart.
 

Kagari

潜在能力解放
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Oct 24, 2017
4,483
Writing off some of the staff from XIV makes ya look silly. Just saying.
 

Vareon

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Oct 25, 2017
6,818
I know, you've repeated these thoughts on like every FFXIV related thread. going "lol FFXIV" but acting like there isn't a good reason why people love the game is why your opinion sucks. ARR is a slog, FFXIV is also worth going through for the stuff past ARR. And you are going to say "you should be able to skip to the good part then" cause this circle never fucking ends.

FFXIV team has some of the most talented people at Square currently. Your feelings about ARR does not mean those apply to their other works.

Unless "XIV team" is the 1.0 team, doesn't "XIV Team" means the team who successfully rebuilt an MMO in 2 years and then run it for 5 more years while maintaining high praise? I really don't think he understands what he's saying lol.
 

Quinton

Specialist at TheGamer / Reviewer at RPG Site
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Oct 25, 2017
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Midgar, With Love
Writing off some of the staff from XIV makes ya look silly. Just saying.

100% this.

Look, I never enjoyed MMOs before FFXIV and I know a lot of us didn't. The team behind this game is so talented that I overcame that hurdle because hot damn it's a good Final Fantasy.

But even for those of y'all who can't get past the MMO aspect, I get it, you don't have to play the game; just please trust me: they are the best team at Square overall. Incredibly talented and their passion and reverence for the franchise shines through constantly even as they pave bold new roads for what it means to be an FF.
 

Mediking

Final Fantasy Best Boy (Grip)
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We're keeping you lower-profile. Mandate from the execs!
Surely you're not implying that it's all been a lie and you're not actually the director?? Don't shatter my world like this Mediking.

Hey, I'm trying not to get "Tabata-ed" Lol I have a vision for FFXVI: female lead and drama filled story full of charm and heart warming moments. I told Nomura to design ONE character.
 

Tochtli79

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Jun 27, 2019
5,777
Mexico City
Hope this is true, really excited to see what it is. Has been a long time since a brand new FF was announced. This will also likely influence when I purchase a PS5 so I'm excited!
 

Kagari

潜在能力解放
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Oct 24, 2017
4,483
100% this.

Look, I never enjoyed MMOs before FFXIV and I know a lot of us didn't. The team behind this game is so talented that I overcame that hurdle because hot damn it's a good Final Fantasy.

But even for those of y'all who can't get past the MMO aspect, I get it, you don't have to play the game; just please trust me: they are the best team at Square overall. Incredibly talented and their passion and reverence for the franchise shines through constantly even as they pave bold new roads for what it means to be an FF.
Yep. I too was one of those who couldn't get into MMOs before XIV but I gave the game a chance and its brought forth some of the best writing and world building the series has ever seen. The talent on that game is really some of SE's best and I'm more than stoked to see what they can do with a more traditional title.
 

ZeroX

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Oct 25, 2017
21,266
Speed Force
I know, you've repeated these thoughts on like every FFXIV related thread. going "lol FFXIV" but acting like there isn't a good reason why people love the game is why your opinion sucks. ARR is a slog, FFXIV is also worth going through for the stuff past ARR. And you are going to say "you should be able to skip to the good part then" cause this circle never fucking ends.

FFXIV team has some of the most talented people at Square currently. Your feelings about ARR does not mean those apply to their other works.
LMFAO nobody cares about ARR my guy. The main meat of FFXIV is the expansions. What a ignorant ass post
Yeah people like the expansions. My point has always been that no matter how good HS or SB are they don't justify playing through the bad ARR. sorry you don't like my opinion but it's justified because no other game says play me for 50 hours before I'm goid. It's SE's decision to prop up a shitty experience.

imagine if someone said you had to buy and play Legend of Dragoon to play Final Fantasy VII
 

Wanderer5

Prophet of Truth
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
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Somewhere.
Definitely promising if it the FF14 team. I am close to wrapping up the post ARR updates, but I already really like the game in many ways despite the main story being bit of a slog to get through (but it has a lot of good stuff). I am so excited to get into Heavensward in the near future!
 

Gyroscope

Member
Oct 25, 2017
786
No joke I would like to see a new Final Fantasy MMO for the new generation.

Saying this as someone who loved FFXI, got burned by FFXIV 1.0, and tried but ultimately never got into 2.0. Last attempt got me to level 57? into Heavensward over a year ago.

Would like to see some clear vision on FFXVI and not just some 'please be excited' logo reveal. Project Athia left a lot to be desired.
 

kurahador

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Oct 28, 2017
17,536
Yeah people like the expansions. My point has always been that no matter how good HS or SB are they don't justify playing through the bad ARR. sorry you don't like my opinion but it's justified because no other game says play me for 50 hours before I'm goid. It's SE's decision to prop up a shitty experience.

imagine if someone said you had to buy and play Legend of Dragoon to play Final Fantasy VII
You can skip ARR by paying money. But hey, complaining in every FFXIV thread to get your opinion across sure sounds like you're the reasonable one here.
 

Ehoavash

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 28, 2017
7,232
Hm after playing Ff7make I have no hype for this.

Just really annoyed about how unpolished this series has become
 

Wazzy

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Oct 25, 2017
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XIV is incredibly well written and designed so using ARR being a slog to dismiss the games quality is really silly. I also think there is a simple solution if playing through it really bothers you. Pay to skip it or just skip the cutscenes so you can move on to the interesting content. I played years ago when ARR started and I hated it so I just skipped the cutscenes and it made my experience better. You don't HAVE to sit through hours of boring cutscenes. It's a simple skip option.


100% this.

Look, I never enjoyed MMOs before FFXIV and I know a lot of us didn't. The team behind this game is so talented that I overcame that hurdle because hot damn it's a good Final Fantasy.

But even for those of y'all who can't get past the MMO aspect, I get it, you don't have to play the game; just please trust me: they are the best team at Square overall. Incredibly talented and their passion and reverence for the franchise shines through constantly even as they pave bold new roads for what it means to be an FF.
It's really sad that XIV being an MMO is making people doubt the quality of it and the developers.

It just had its best and most interesting expansion RECENTLY with new class additions that are a blast to play. There is a lot of content in that game and the writing is some of the best in the series.
 

Orion

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
6,768
Hey, I'm trying not to get "Tabata-ed" Lol I have a vision for FFXVI: female lead and drama filled story full of charm and heart warming moments. I told Nomura to design ONE character.

Ok, phew! Scared me there for a second. As we all know, things are always subject to change during development, but I like the vision and I'm sure you know what you're doing.
 

RatskyWatsky

Are we human or are we dancer?
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Oct 25, 2017
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I hope XVI has a weird cast of party members like IX. I want a one legged dolphin dragoon and a white mage that is a furry spider with a pointy hat.
 

ZeroX

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
21,266
Speed Force
But even for those of y'all who can't get past the MMO aspect, I get it, you don't have to play the game; just please trust me: they are the best team at Square overall.
ARR really says otherwise, and they had a chance to fix it and then blew it.

You can skip ARR by paying money. But hey, complaining in every FFXIV thread to get your opinion across sure sounds like you're the reasonable one here.
I already acknowledged it was pay to skip, and that that's bullshit.

But yeah I'll keep calling out ARR for being trash and people still won't have an excuse other than "but the expansions are good" which isn't enough of an excuse.

XIV is incredibly well written and designed so using ARR being a slog to dismiss the games quality is really silly. I also think there is a simple solution if playing through it really bothers you. Pay to skip it or just skip the cutscenes so you can move on to the interesting content. I played years ago when ARR started and I hated it so I just skipped the cutscenes and it made my experience better. You don't HAVE to sit through hours of boring cutscenes. It's a simple skip option.
Why is it pay to skip when they know it sucks? It should be free. Time saver microtransactions get called out and this is worse.

It's like saying XIII-2 is better than XIII, but also you have to buy XIII to get access XIII-2. Like no, just buy the game separately?
 

Kagari

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Oct 24, 2017
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I was gonna say, they just refreshed the ARR content and streamlined a good portion of the quests.
 

Marie

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Oct 25, 2017
650
FFXIV ARR biggest issue is fixing shit started from 1.0 but the way HW -> SHB closes out the arc is so well done its hard to say its a negative.

The way Yoshi team was able to literally save XIV is a fucking miracle. Imagine if they actually had a good base game from the start rather than being handed somebody's leftover shit.
 

kurahador

Member
Oct 28, 2017
17,536
I already acknowledged it was pay to skip, and that that's bullshit.

But yeah I'll keep calling out ARR for being trash and people still won't have an excuse other than "but the expansions are good" which isn't enough of an excuse.
The base game is essentially free or at most like $5 now. So paying for ARR + skip will really cost you $16, barely over a month of subscription
 

Astral

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Oct 27, 2017
28,053
As someone whose favorite FF (and maybe RPG) ever is XIV, I'm fucking excited. It's been so long since I've been excited for something not XIV related.
 

Zen

The Wise Ones
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Nov 1, 2017
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I'll be the guy to defend ARR. It's a good game that establishes a universe and brings a shit ton of lore to the table, brings your character up from a run of the mill adventurer to an involved VIP, and introduces characters who will later grow and change in ways most FF casts could only hope to. It's also faithful to the original job systems of early FF. Burying your head in the sand and repeating that it sucks ad nauseum doesn't convince anybody that you're right. It just makes you look stubborn.
 

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Whether it is announced or not not Wednesday, if the game truly exists and it is indeed being developed by FFXIV team, it will be very exciting news. It'll probably be a great game.
 

Wanderer5

Prophet of Truth
The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
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ARR is not bad. I mean yeah it is bit of a slog, but it was still fun getting through recently, and the fact that not only it looks like the expansions are better structured, but the team actually went back to streamline ARR, shows just how far they have come from 1.0. Feels like a team that I can have faith with.
 

Wazzy

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Oct 25, 2017
5,070
Why is it pay to skip when they know it sucks? It should be free. Time saver microtransactions get called out and this is worse.

It's like saying XIII-2 is better than XIII, but also you have to buy XIII to get access XIII-2. Like no, just buy the game separately?
You realize you can manually skip cutscenes without paying right? I brought up both options because you aren't limited to one.

Paying to skip allows you to jump right in but it will still function like an MMO which means you need to level a character in order to reach the newer content. This should be expected in any online game.

They have also streamlined ARR recently making it even EASIER to bypass the dull story and moments. You have plenty of options that don't force you to sit through 50+ hours of old and unsatisfying content. There is zero excuse to still hold it against the rest of the game.
 
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