Rumor: Apple to return to scissor switches on MacBooks this year, starting with MBA

GarthLordOfTheSith · Jul 4, 2019

It's a shame they couldnt get the issues with the butterfly boards worked out, as I quite liked the look and feel of them.

But that said, the Retina MBP's from 2012-2015 have my favorite keyboards of all time on them so if they're returning to those I'll be happy.

Deleted member 8901 · Jul 4, 2019

Great news. Condolences to those who purchased a ticking time bomb keyboard.

CONCHOBAR · Jul 4, 2019

Thank goodness. I'd been hoping to get back into the Mac family after a decade's absence, but everything I heard about those keyboards just killed my interest.

CloseTalker · Jul 4, 2019

Bya said:
thank god.

i deeply regret buying my 2017 MBP

Same. Only Apple product I regret buying, I actually hate it

mescalineeyes · Jul 4, 2019

serious question, why do you guys keep Apple products you hate? In my country Apple has a very generous return policy.

oledome · Jul 4, 2019

mescalineeyes said:
going out on a limb here and say most people that dislike it have not used it and are (rightfully) scared off by media reportings.

mescalineeyes said:
serious question, why do you guys keep Apple products you hate? In my country Apple has a very generous return policy.

says the haters haven't used it... responses in thread from owners of the hardware... suggests it's their fault for not returning the product, Apple is generous

Benjamin1981 · Jul 4, 2019

Finally...let's hope it is true and they don't ruin it in some other way.

mescalineeyes · Jul 4, 2019

oledome said:
says the haters haven't used it... responses in thread from owners of the hardware... suggests it's their fault for not returning the product, Apple is generous

In what world is a 30 day return policy not generous? Like if I order something and I don't like it, I ... don't keep it, especially if it's a big ticket item.

Also I wasn't trying to shift blame, just generally asking why people keep something around they hate. Seems unhealthy.

VHS · Jul 4, 2019

entremet said:
Thank God Ive is gone. His obsession with thinness was killing the MBP line.

Let the 12-inch MacBooks and new Airs be the thin machines in the lineup for the thin fetishist. The Pro is a pro machine. It should cater to those users.

And let it be user upgradable like the Mac pro desktop. The naming scheme doesn't make sense if there isn't feature parity.

zombiejames · Jul 4, 2019

Count me as one of the few people who actually like the butterfly switches. I grew up on mechanical keyboards, I should hate everything about butterfly switches, but for whatever reason they click with me.

mescalineeyes · Jul 4, 2019

zombiejames said:
Count me as one of the few people who actually like the butterfly switches. I grew up on mechanical keyboards, I should hate everything about butterfly switches, but for whatever reason they click with me.

as a mechnical keyboard enthusiast, this is precisely why I like them, they feel like mechanical keyboards with less travel. the click is similarly satisfying.

Ingueferroque said:
Bring back magsafe next.

HECK. YES.

Deleted member 21709 · Jul 4, 2019

Bring back magsafe next.

entremet · Jul 4, 2019

zombiejames said:
Count me as one of the few people who actually like the butterfly switches. I grew up on mechanical keyboards, I should hate everything about butterfly switches, but for whatever reason they click with me.

I don't mind the switches either. I just hate that they are unreliable after 4 revisions. I had the sticky key stuff happen already. Was able to fix it myself, but it's ticking time bomb.

GarthLordOfTheSith · Jul 4, 2019

Benjamin1981 said:
Finally...let's hope it is true and they don't ruin it in some other way.

They better keep making that massive ass trackpad that's on the current 15 inch machines.

'3y Kingdom · Jul 4, 2019

Glad I bought before these were a thing, and glad my next one won't have them. The lack of feedback was terrible.

EJS · Jul 4, 2019

Bya said:
thank god.

i deeply regret buying my 2017 MBP

If you have the means, just use an external keyboard.

Breqesk · Jul 4, 2019

Namorange said:
If you have the means, just use an external keyboard.

this isn't really practical for a lot of laptop use-cases

EJS · Jul 4, 2019

Breqesk said:
this isn't really practical for a lot of laptop use-cases

Maybe not, just trying to think of possibilities for someone to make the most of their relatively new purchase.

FuturusX · Jul 4, 2019

Whilst I actually like the new keyboard for feel, the reliability problems are just too prevalent. It's a good move if true.

RastaMentality · Jul 4, 2019

Can they fix the USB C ports being loose as fuck too?

Deleted member 44129 · Jul 4, 2019

mescalineeyes said:
serious question, why do you guys keep Apple products you hate? In my country Apple has a very generous return policy.

This is the conundrum I'm in. What am I supposed to do? Turn up with my mac saying "Hey, this was shit, can I give you another £600 to only improve the situation slightly?". Meanwhile, I've got money and time invested in Apple software, with projects on the go. I'm kind of trapped right now.

Deleted member 35204 · Jul 4, 2019

MBP being 2020 upsets me greatly

DSP · Jul 4, 2019

they are likely going to ship a product that is thicker than previous gen, how are they going to sell that after all these years of stupidly focusing on marketing thinness.

entremet · Jul 4, 2019

DSP said:
they are likely going to ship a product that is thicker than previous gen, how are they going to sell that after all these years of stupidly focusing on thinness.

Ive is gone, bro

Sounds like I'm hating on Ive. I liked him generally, but his Macbook Pro designs of late have been terrible.

Kitten Mittens · Jul 4, 2019

First the guy responsible for prioritizing thinness over functionality leaves and now we have news they're possibly dumping one of the absolute worst keyboards on the market. Good week. Bad week for people who claim the keyboard issues were "anecdotal".

mescalineeyes said:
In what world is a 30 day return policy not generous? Like if I order something and I don't like it, I ... don't keep it, especially if it's a big ticket item.

Also I wasn't trying to shift blame, just generally asking why people keep something around they hate. Seems unhealthy.

Because many of us dont have a choice. We're issued them from our employers and stuck with them for years. Since 2016, MBPs have been an outright joke. My 2014 MBP is still my preferred computer of choice but not approved for work.

Deleted member 32822 · Jul 4, 2019

Boo! I love the feel of the new keyboard.

mescalineeyes · Jul 4, 2019

God_Of_Phwoar said:
This is the conundrum I'm in. What am I supposed to do? Turn up with my mac saying "Hey, this was shit, can I give you another £600 to only improve the situation slightly?". Meanwhile, I've got money and time invested in Apple software, with projects on the go. I'm kind of trapped right now.

what do you mean about the 600? if your keyboard is bad you get it replaced for free and bumped up to the new 4th gen. (I went from gen 1 (great type feel but prone to break) to gen 3 (good type feel but very sturdy))

Dragoon · Jul 4, 2019

oledome said:
says the haters haven't used it... responses in thread from owners of the hardware... suggests it's their fault for not returning the product, Apple is generous

sounds like a proper 🍎 nut

GarthLordOfTheSith · Jul 4, 2019

DSP said:
they are likely going to ship a product that is thicker than previous gen, how are they going to sell that after all these years of stupidly focusing on marketing thinness.

Probably focus on the powah and what it can do. Probably will have a bigger battery too so that's a marketing of it does.

GarthLordOfTheSith · Jul 4, 2019

God_Of_Phwoar said:
This is the conundrum I'm in. What am I supposed to do? Turn up with my mac saying "Hey, this was shit, can I give you another £600 to only improve the situation slightly?". Meanwhile, I've got money and time invested in Apple software, with projects on the go. I'm kind of trapped right now.

Why would you pay $600 to have something fixed that's on a quality program with extended warranties relating to the issue?

The Main Event · Jul 4, 2019

Courage.

So are they discreetly admitting that the 4th gen butterfly keyboards are also prone to fail? Haven't read any negative reports on them yet.

mescalineeyes · Jul 4, 2019

Dragoon said:
sounds like a proper 🍎 nut

yeah, sorry for being a little more nuanced than ThIs ShIt SuCkS

Kitten Mittens said:
First the guy responsible for prioritizing thinness over functionality leaves and now we have news they're possibly dumping one of the absolute worst keyboards on the market. Good week. Bad week for people who claim the keyboard issues were "anecdotal".

Because many of us dont have a choice. We're issued them from our employers and stuck with them for years. Since 2016, MBPs have been an outright joke. My 2014 MBP is still my preferred computer of choice but not approved for work.

Thanks, I hadn't thought of that.

GarthLordOfTheSith · Jul 4, 2019

The Main Event said:
Courage.

So are they discreetly admitting that the 4th gen butterfly keyboards are also prone to fail? Haven't read any negative reports on them yet.

They admitted that when there was a replacement program announced alongside the launch of the 4th gen boards.

Deleted member 5127 · Jul 4, 2019

Sega Dreamcast said:
Boo! I love the feel of the new keyboard.

Same, I love the feel. I just hope it won't break but I'm afraid of all the stories lol.

Dragoon · Jul 4, 2019

mescalineeyes said:
yeah, sorry for being a little more nuanced than ThIs ShIt SuCkS

Thanks, I hadn't thought of that.

What are you saying sorry for when you clearly don't mean it? You are one of the crazy stans people laugh for defending their products like lunatics, but keep harping on about nuance as if it makes sense.

mescalineeyes · Jul 4, 2019

Dragoon said:
What are you saying sorry for when you clearly don't mean it? You are one of the crazy stans people laugh for defending their products like lunatics, but keep harping on about nuance as if it makes sense.

you will never see me defend the Apple TV remote lol

that's patently untrue, just because I happen to like a product that you don't doesn't make me a crazy stan. I think the keyboard is good, I think people should give it a chance when it comes to the way it feels but I also think people are rightfully skeptical of buying one because the failure rate is abnormally high.

if you just wanna keep shitting on me that's cool too tho.

MrKlaw · Jul 4, 2019

Ingueferroque said:
Bring back magsafe next.

I'm ok with USB-C but you can already get breakoff magsafe style adapters.

I do wish they'd specced USB-C with a plastic rim. Its too blunt so while you can't insert it the wrong way round, you can easily scratch your laptop sliding it around to find the hole. Especially when you have the lowly 2-port MBP so are always swapping

Deleted member 21709 · Jul 4, 2019

mescalineeyes said:
going out on a limb here and say most people that dislike it have not used it and are (rightfully) scared off by media reportings.

the only thing I actively dislike about this keyboard is the fact that they made the left and right arrow keys as high as the up and down keys, making it harder to blind-type on them.

Lifetime Apple user. The last two Macbook Pro's I owned (all using the new keyboards) have been the worst product experience with them by far. I dearly miss the 2012 model.
If you don't actively dislike it right now, it simply has yet to break for you.

Tbm24 · Jul 4, 2019

May be finally time to upgrade my 2015 MBP when this hits the pro line. Can't fucking wait.

Kitten Mittens · Jul 4, 2019

Ingueferroque said:
Bring back magsafe next.

No thanks. Every single Apple MBP or MBA power adapter I've ever owned has fallen completely apart. Apple and their cheap cabling can die in a fire. My third party USB-C cables are about 90 percent cheaper than Apple's crap and 100 percent more reliable.

Deleted member 44129 · Jul 4, 2019

mescalineeyes said:
what do you mean about the 600? if your keyboard is bad you get it replaced for free and bumped up to the new 4th gen. (I went from gen 1 (great type feel but prone to break) to gen 3 (good type feel but very sturdy))

GarthLordOfTheSith said:
Why would you pay $600 to have something fixed that's on a quality program with extended warranties relating to the issue?

I'm assuming that all they can do is offer to upsell me to a band new model. Seeing as the complaint is essentially "Dust and dirt are repeatedly clogging up my keyboard", I can't imagine them giving me a free upgrade... Would they? You seem to be suggesting they'll swap me to a new 2019 MBP for nothing.

Deleted member 21709 · Jul 4, 2019

Kitten Mittens said:
No thanks. Every single Apple MBP or MBA power adapter I've ever owned has fallen completely apart. Apple and their cheap cabling can die in a fire. My third party USB-C cables are about 90 percent cheaper than Apple's crap and 100 percent more reliable.

That's true.

God_Of_Phwoar said:
I'm assuming that all they can do is offer to upsell me to a band new model. Seeing as the complaint is essentially "Dust and dirt are repeatedly clogging up my keyboard", I can't imagine them giving me a free upgrade... Would they? You seem to be suggesting they'll swap me to a new 2019 MBP for nothing.

When I brought my 2016 MBP in for keyboard repairs, they replaced everything but the bottom case.
They're going to give you the latest version of the keyboard that has reduced breakage, I presume.

DinosaurusRex · Jul 4, 2019

Peter Ian Staker said:
It would make sense but I doubt Apple is willing take the L like that.
They are too proud to admit they fucked up.

Leaked pic of new keyboard

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mescalineeyes · Jul 4, 2019

God_Of_Phwoar said:
I'm assuming that all they can do is offer to upsell me to a band new model. Seeing as the complaint is essentially "Dust and dirt are repeatedly clogging up my keyboard", I can't imagine them giving me a free upgrade... Would they? You seem to be suggesting they'll swap me to a new 2019 MBP for nothing.

if you are experiencing a set of symptoms (keys typing double, keys not typing), they will replace the entire keyboard part of your unit for free and upgrade it to the newest, 4th gen keyboard.

https://www.apple.com/support/keyboard-service-program-for-mac-notebooks/

GarthLordOfTheSith · Jul 4, 2019

God_Of_Phwoar said:
I'm assuming that all they can do is offer to upsell me to a band new model. Seeing as the complaint is essentially "Dust and dirt are repeatedly clogging up my keyboard", I can't imagine them giving me a free upgrade... Would they? You seem to be suggesting they'll swap me to a new 2019 MBP for nothing.

No but they replace the entire top case at no cost to you. You'll get a new version of the keyboard alongside a new battery, trackpad, and speakers (if it's a Touch Bar. If it's a non Touch Bar MBP you'll have your old speakers as they're not integrated into the case)

thesoapster · Jul 4, 2019

And I'm guessing they'll still have minimal travel and feel like shit. I doubt I'll be switching back anytime soon.

Deleted member 44129 · Jul 4, 2019

mescalineeyes said:
if you are experiencing a set of symptoms (keys typing double, keys not typing), they will replace the entire keyboard part of your unit for free and upgrade it to the newest, 4th gen keyboard.

https://www.apple.com/support/keyboard-service-program-for-mac-notebooks/

GarthLordOfTheSith said:
No but they replace the entire top case at no cost to you. You'll get a new version of the keyboard alongside a new battery, trackpad, and speakers (if it's a Touch Bar. If it's a non Touch Bar MBP you'll have your old speakers as they're not integrated into the case)

Ah, I see. Thanks for the info. I'll look into it. If anything, then, I'm hoping my keyboard gets WORSE, then ;)

Spork4000 · Jul 4, 2019

Really wonder if this was one of the decisions that made Ives leave. The guy has to hate this.

Strangiato · Jul 4, 2019

But they won't have Ive in a video describing it as the most stunning and revolutionary keyboard switch they've ever designed, in his pompous arrogant trademark tone.

RDreamer · Jul 4, 2019

mescalineeyes said:
if you are experiencing a set of symptoms (keys typing double, keys not typing), they will replace the entire keyboard part of your unit for free and upgrade it to the newest, 4th gen keyboard.

https://www.apple.com/support/keyboard-service-program-for-mac-notebooks/

This is cool and all but wtf do I do without my work computer for a few days to a week.

That's my conundrum.

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