Wish graphics and resolution wasn't such a focal point. This is so silly either way. The games will look good and hopeful and more importantly run good. On all consoles.
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Hopefully they won't aim for native 4K. Not needed at all and I'm sure the extra overhead is better spent on other things.
Correct it is, but it wouldn't be out of the ballpark to believe amd is working on a similar solution.
Skeptical about the 18%, because I am but it won't matter until we see things actually running in 3 months.
Yeah right. They could get rid of the gpu and 64 GB of memory. That would it 12k
Free online, cheap game subs and rock bottom console prices. It's one of the biggest challengs facing us today, so big in fact that the Bill and Miranda Gates foundation have adapted their mission statement and world goals to reflect this.
They did. It's conveniently forgotten right now, or some ppl actually didn't know.
Oh man, lmao.
And the source is also Dusk Golen lol
Man this will be a shitshow after the consoles are released.
We have no idea what kind of techniques will be used for next gen though. If they were able to do checkerboarding on the old consoles, it's extremely likely there will be MUCH better techniques on next gen consoles regardless of it's the same tech as DLSS or not.
Point is we KNOW that it is 100% possible to make "fake 4k" look just as good and even better in some aspects, yet people are still freaking out about hearing so and so unable to handle 4k. It's just weird to me.
Their Death Stranding video showed an example of how it's getting harder to spot the difference - particularly with DLSS (which consoles won't have), not that it's better. I would agree that forcing 4k for everything would be overkill, but I think people are focusing too much on resolution advantages and not on framerates.
I pahrased it wrongly I meant using 8 cores and 16 threads of CPU
What confuses me is if the Xbox is more powerful, wouldn't that mean it has a higher cost to build? If it has a higher cost to build, why would Sony price their console higher than the Xbox? If anything i would think Sony saw how important pricing was to the start of last generation and would want to repeat the same success. Unless the custom ssd is so expensive it makes te console more expensive to build but it seemed like that was a thing Sony specifically wanted to take account for when they went with 850gb for the size.
Even if it never drops the clock, it would be a 10tf machine without the same bandwidth as the other 10tf gpus on the market.
A case that can be tested extensively with similar gpus overclocked to similar degree, and the performance gains from that setup are not that great.
I really don't see how they can make a 100+GB/s bandwidth delta disappear like that, if they did they definitely should sell the tech back to AMD because they have been stuck for a year with a mid range 36CU rdna gpu on the market that struggles to meet Nvidia high end offerings.
-insert Pikachu shocked face here-
This whole thing has been a good lesson on why people (not you Gamer17!) shouldn't attribute quotes to people without actually going back and checking the original source (of what they said).
Most ps4 and x1 games use 8 core and 8 threads already.
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This is what people don't seem to understand, 900p to 1080p was noticeable, 1800p to 4K is nowhere near as noticeable.
cheap as in only putting 10GB high speed in and leave the other 6GB at a much lower speed?
The Series X is the most powerful console next gen. Nothing about its power advantage over PS5 is surprising nor shocking.
How so they would be so boring here is Xbox have at 4k here is ps5 game at 1900p. Not much difference between them
They've explained the zooms before, the majority of their views are on phones so they need them. They know on a big screen it's not needed but with mobile being their main watched platform it makes sense.
And they'll still lose because of a lack of quality exclusives that people actually want to play.
Ofcourse facts are facts . Not wise to dispute it.
Xsx has 18% more powerful gpu
Ps5 has 125% faster ssd/ io for streaming data
Another rumour that one of the main sources was actually just speculating, seems to be happening a lot.
The only way MS SX is cheaper than PS5 is if they are willing to take a significantly larger profit loss than Sony is willing to do. The reason they might do that is to put out as much volume as possible in the US with the idea of high conversion to renewing gamepass subs. So I could see like the SX and Series S being bundled with a gamepass 1-3mos card that upon redeeming requires you to put in payment info for renewal purposes. You will of course still be able to cancel the renewal but a lot of folks don't do that.
Cheap for next gen graphics at 4K with continous streaming to RAM with a tempest engine eating a lot of bandwidth. Cerny would call it an imbalance.
People are advocating for the use of reconstruction techniques for months, since when DLSS 2.0 demonstrated what is possible.
Is there any fake 4k that has no artifacts of any kind? Is there any fake 4k that doesn't modify pixels? Thinking more like integer scaling.
People should be wishing for fake 4k on both the PS5 and the XsX. Native 4k is such a waste of resources.
I'm some aspects it should induce an extra cost like the soc being bigger (though I think Sony extensive overclocking pretty much nullified the advantage), in others like the extra bandwidth it was mostly Ms playing smart. They split some memory modules in 2 achieving a higher bus at a similar cost. It has the draw back of some memory pool being slower but the majority of the ram achieves a number thats higher than what you see on a 2080 for example.
MS was also very innovative in their form factor. It allowed them to increase the cooling with small cost increase if any over X.
And finally with them giving exclusivity to Seagate at launch to sell the standalone ssd I think they may have got a nice deal for the internal one too. In comparison Sony's ssd is so expensive per GB that they had to reduce it from 1TB
Jeez how far is the PS5 really clocking down it's cpu & gpu? Maybe they're using the locked dev clocks that are lower because the variable setting is unstable. People are focused on the GPU clocks/tf but those are only maxed out when the CPU isn't being taxed, depending on how a specific 3rd party game is made there could be a big disparity in CPU clocks on the two next gen platforms Ps5 3.2 GHz downclocked from 3.5GHz vs a stable 3.6GHz for XseX possibly even 3.8GHz if they disable SMT.
A lot of confirmation bias here.
Information that doesn't line up with certain expectations sure throws some for a loop.
Not really surprising to hear this considering the power edge the Series X has over the PS5.
Information that doesn't line up with certain expectations sure throws some for a loop.
Not really surprising to hear this considering the power edge the Series X has over the PS5.
The Series X potentially isn't more expensive to make. You also have to take into account the PS5s SSD, cooling, and overall size. I'm pretty sure I read that they didn't really have a choice of SSD size. It was either 800GB or like 1.6Tb.
Sure we don't know 100% I guess but Nvidia has billions of dollars spent on AI upscaling R&D to get the results they are getting with DLSS. It's just many think it's unlikely the MS/AMD solution will be as good, and it's questionable if such a solution will even be present in the PS5 as it's mainly MS tech.
If it means better performance or fidelity, 'everyone' here (~80%) already was:
How much do you care about next-gen games running native in 4K?
Trying to gauge the temperature on this topic here. Next-gen is upon us, and with it an apparent resolution jump (although we kind of experienced it already with last-gen's mid-gen refresh). It's four time the pixels compared to 1080p, a massive performance sink in my opinion, one that is...
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I hope plenty of devs push things such that PS5 (and XSX for that matter) 'struggle' at native 4K. That's not a new sentiment for a lot of people.
The only bad news here would be if PS5 was for no good reason 'struggling', because of bad driver performance or some other previously unknown issue, disproportionate with its spec. I don't think that's suggested.
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