Good luck trying to convince people to swallow a stylized Metroid.
Next Level Games had their own concept art attempt of a stylized Metroid and people who saw it hated it.
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Good luck trying to convince people to swallow a stylized Metroid.
Next Level Games had their own concept art attempt of a stylized Metroid and people who saw it hated it.
How about Team Cherry just make their own games. Nintendo most likely doesn't want indie studios touching their IP's unless it's to make a spin-off like Cadence of Hyrule
Next Level was robbed, that would have been great.Good luck trying to convince people to swallow a stylized Metroid.
Next Level Games had their own concept art attempt of a stylized Metroid and people who saw it hated it.
People need to embrace hand-drawn 2D, since pixel art is too expensive and 2.5D universally looks terrible.
Hopefully the popularity of Hollow Knight and Cuphead start to turn people around.
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this looks rad lolGood luck trying to convince people to swallow a stylized Metroid.
Next Level Games had their own concept art attempt of a stylized Metroid and people who saw it hated it.
Huh? Why wouldn't Sakamoto be involved?
Like, what's even the point you're trying to make? Are you saying that Sakamoto would magically not be involved in a Team Cherry Metroid project and not lead the whole thing despite being part of the internal team that oversees outsourced stuff?
Good luck trying to convince people to swallow a stylized Metroid.
Next Level Games had their own concept art attempt of a stylized Metroid and people who saw it hated it.
Stylized graphics isn't the problem. It's just that this design is dreadful.
We can't really tell whether or not this is what they would have ended up going with seeing as it's the only piece of concept art from the project. But even seeing this as an example, I certainly wouldn't be against drawn graphics for a Metroid, or any other Nintendo game.
I am really really surprised by how obssesed folks are with Team Cherry developing a Metroid Game.
Hollow Knight is its (really good) own thing. As I have said in this very same thread, having created a fantastic Metroidvania videogame does not automatically mean that you are going to nail a Metroid game. The exploration pace, the movement, the mechanics... it is all different and as others have said you would also have to count with Sakamoto guidance.
If you have some love remaining for a series, as I think it is the case of Nintendo with Metroid, you don´t want to have an endless numbers of developers touching the series because it becomes some sort of Frankenstein. You want to invest, develop a relationship of trust with a company, to create a series of videogames with certain identity to try to make people love the series (again in some cases). I don´t know about sales numbers, but I am pretty sure Nintendo was delighted with what Samus Returns is as a videogame, as well as the majority of players and critics are, so I think Mercury Steam will definitely have another shot.
The most absurd thing of this discussion for me is trying to translate the Hollow Knight visual style to Metroid. Look, those late eighties-early nineties artworks are no longer Metroid, the series have had a "realistic" visual approach since Metroid Prime, and that means since 20 years ago. On the other hand, if a 2D sprited Metroid videogame were created, it would have to compete against a pile of indie videogames (many new players don´t know the series) that have absorbed that visual style and the Switch capabilities would be severely underused.
Also, you have to read here that "2.5D videogames" are ugly. Welp, I guess you also think that art direction has nothing to do with a videogame being ugly or pretty.
Hollow Knight is its (really good) own thing. As I have said in this very same thread, having created a fantastic Metroidvania videogame does not automatically mean that you are going to nail a Metroid game. The exploration pace, the movement, the mechanics... it is all different and as others have said you would also have to count with Sakamoto guidance.
If you have some love remaining for a series, as I think it is the case of Nintendo with Metroid, you don´t want to have an endless numbers of developers touching the series because it becomes some sort of Frankenstein. You want to invest, develop a relationship of trust with a company, to create a series of videogames with certain identity to try to make people love the series (again in some cases). I don´t know about sales numbers, but I am pretty sure Nintendo was delighted with what Samus Returns is as a videogame, as well as the majority of players and critics are, so I think Mercury Steam will definitely have another shot.
The most absurd thing of this discussion for me is trying to translate the Hollow Knight visual style to Metroid. Look, those late eighties-early nineties artworks are no longer Metroid, the series have had a "realistic" visual approach since Metroid Prime, and that means since 20 years ago. On the other hand, if a 2D sprited Metroid videogame were created, it would have to compete against a pile of indie videogames (many new players don´t know the series) that have absorbed that visual style and the Switch capabilities would be severely underused.
Also, you have to read here that "2.5D videogames" are ugly. Welp, I guess you also think that art direction has nothing to do with a videogame being ugly or pretty.
Don't be. People latch onto the short-sighted notion of "[Random Indie Dev] should develop the next [Entry in Nintendo IP]" all of the time.
I haven't played Deadlight and that screenshot doesn't look too terrible, but yes I think Tropical Freeze, Impossible Lair, and all the Trine games look bad -- especially Impossible Lair. They aren't bad games as a whole, but I still don't like the 2.5D aesthetic and all of them would be improved if they had 2D art.I am really really surprised by how obssesed folks are with Team Cherry developing a Metroid Game.
Hollow Knight is its (really good) own thing. As I have said in this very same thread, having created a fantastic Metroidvania videogame does not automatically mean that you are going to nail a Metroid game. The exploration pace, the movement, the mechanics... it is all different and as others have said you would also have to count with Sakamoto guidance.
If you have some love remaining for a series, as I think it is the case of Nintendo with Metroid, you don´t want to have an endless numbers of developers touching the series because it becomes some sort of Frankenstein. You want to invest, develop a relationship of trust with a company, to create a series of videogames with certain identity to try to make people love the series (again in some cases). I don´t know about sales numbers, but I am pretty sure Nintendo was delighted with what Samus Returns is as a videogame, as well as the majority of players and critics are, so I think Mercury Steam will definitely have another shot.
The most absurd thing of this discussion for me is trying to translate the Hollow Knight visual style to Metroid. Look, those late eighties-early nineties artworks are no longer Metroid, the series have had a "realistic" visual approach since Metroid Prime, and that means since 20 years ago. On the other hand, if a 2D sprited Metroid videogame were created, it would have to compete against a pile of indie videogames (many new players don´t know the series) that have absorbed that visual style and the Switch capabilities would be severely underused.
Also, you have to read here that "2.5D videogames" are ugly. Welp, I guess you also think that art direction has nothing to do with a videogame being ugly or pretty.
It is always up to everyone personal preferences of course, but let me tell you something, 2.5D is not an aesthetic. It is a way of presenting graphics. A videogame being beautiful or ugly (once again, this is subjective) has absolutely nothing to do with it presenting the images in 2D, 3D, 2.5D or with any other method invented. It is due to its color scheme, characters designs, visual effects, composition, environments... So, a 3D videogame can be beautiful and a 2D videogame can be ugly (to you), and the other way around.
I would totally check out Samus Returns if it was on Switch. I just really don't want to play my 3DS.
you gotta give Hollow Knight another chance someday. It's a massive game but I don't think it's bloated. I also don't think it's trying to be like Metroid, despite being part of the same genre. It's an incredible game.
Don't get me wrong I enjoyed it and definitely intend to go back to it.I just feel that in the time I played it it did not have some key things that Metroid excels at so, like you said, it's better to look at it as it's own thing instead of trying to present it as the second coming of Super Metroid
Music, art, movement and combat are all stellar so far
Sure and technically Hollow Knight is "2.5D" since the engine renders the scene with depth but the camera is fixed so it looks flat, but anytime there are 3D models constrained to a flat 2D plane it never looks good to me, unless it's extremely stylized and cell-shaded to look hand drawn like Guilty Gear Xrd.
Metroid needs optional bosses that are found from just exploring and give you a cool upgrade that's not needed to beat the game but still awesome
Like the missile combos in Primes 1 and 2? Would've been awesome if they were guarded by secret bosses
Yeah, it's difficult to compare it to Super Metroid, which is a brisk 6-8 hour experience, which is one of its great strengths.
I hope the next Paper Mario is more traditional, but knowing Nintendo game devs they love to add a major gimmick to the formula to keep it "fresh". Let's add stickers, let's add paint, let's add super mario platforming etc.
Hopefully they aren't tempted again
Hopefully they aren't tempted again
Don't forget the greatest gimmick of all, not having any interesting characters.
I understand that the Paper Mario won't be a remake. But I have to ask, would you be for or against the art style of Color Splash, if it were chosen for a more traditional PM?
For reference, here's an image of TTYD polished with the CS cardboard aesthetics:
For reference, here's an image of TTYD polished with the CS cardboard aesthetics:
That looks pretty cool but I still don't like the white outlines.
Only thing I'd be okay with losing are the white outlines, though they don't bother me that much. Otherwise, I'm 100% down. Thought CS was gorgeous.
I'd be down. Color Splash looks great, it's just everything else that's the problem.
Regardless of how the new paper mario plays out.....as long as it's awesome and critically acclaimed, the fanbase will be satisfy.
Well if it's awesome and critically acclaimed that means it went back to its RPG roots of the first 2 games. It's not "regardless of how it plays out". It plays out awesome when they make Paper Mario what it was.
You mean I wasn't the first person to come up with the unique ideas "Mother 4 but by Toby Fox" and "F-Zero but by Platinum" :O
If this is to be a successor to Metroid Fusion and Super Metroid then I think we need to go with Hi-bit pixel art.
I just hope Mercury Steam dials down on the combat aspect focus or find a way to make it more interesting. Any Metroid game so far that focused heavily on combat over exploration has been generally worse than what the best in the series have to offer.
It looks beautiful yes, but I also don't like the white outlines (even if they will probably be kept)
Overall in my opinion they should keep the creativity going with the Paper stuff but just dial it back a little and don't focus entirely on "haha we're all made of Paper guys!" because if this is truly a Thousand-Year Door style Paper Mario, I want the world to maintain a degree of seriousness like that game did without basically everything being some sort of Paper joke a la Color Splash.
My body completely rejects the possibility of good Paper Mario coming back. Nope, I don't buy it one bit.
tbh I feel like original TTYD looks better and more charming.
Im not a fan of the white borders around the characters.
I think its fucking great though?
Like very few games can be at the level of super metroid and zero mission, but samus returns is a great return to form.
It will look more similar to that gif than the super low resolution models samus returns had, becuase that is basically using mercury steams designs with better fidelity.What if it looks like this?
I dodnt now what people are smoking in this thread. Mercury Steam has great artists, 3d modelers and animators. A game of theirs on the switch is going to look better than their 3ds version.
How you dare actually make rational posts on era good sir?! You should feel ashamed of not getting into the craziness and shitty opinions.I am really really surprised by how obssesed folks are with Team Cherry developing a Metroid Game.
Hollow Knight is its (really good) own thing. As I have said in this very same thread, having created a fantastic Metroidvania videogame does not automatically mean that you are going to nail a Metroid game. The exploration pace, the movement, the mechanics... it is all different and as others have said you would also have to count with Sakamoto guidance.
If you have some love remaining for a series, as I think it is the case of Nintendo with Metroid, you don´t want to have an endless numbers of developers touching the series because it becomes some sort of Frankenstein. You want to invest, develop a relationship of trust with a company, to create a series of videogames with certain identity to try to make people love the series (again in some cases). I don´t know about sales numbers, but I am pretty sure Nintendo was delighted with what Samus Returns is as a videogame, as well as the majority of players and critics are, so I think Mercury Steam will definitely have another shot.
The most absurd thing of this discussion for me is trying to translate the Hollow Knight visual style to Metroid. Look, those late eighties-early nineties artworks are no longer Metroid, the series have had a "realistic" visual approach since Metroid Prime, and that means since 20 years ago. On the other hand, if a 2D sprited Metroid videogame were created, it would have to compete against a pile of indie videogames (many new players don´t know the series) that have absorbed that visual style and the Switch capabilities would be severely underused.
Also, you have to read here that "2.5D videogames" are ugly. Welp, I guess you also think that art direction has nothing to do with a videogame being ugly or pretty.
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It's certainly a competent reapplication of what made the original Metroid II so interesting, I just dare to dream bigger.
That being said, if I were CEO of Nintendo and had the ability to bring Team Cherry on for anything, it would be for Zelda not Metroid. William Pellen and Ari Gibson famously love Zelda II so maybe they can finally make a sequel, a Zelda III if you will.
