I actually really liked that audition video. I don't know Ashley, I don't know if she'd fit the version of Kate we got in the show, but I'm definitely on board with that performance.
Good on Shawn for signal boosting it.
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Ruby Rose Exits the CW’s ‘Batwoman’, DC Series To Recast Iconic Lead Role For Season 2 (UP: Javicia Leslie cast as new lead)
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I actually really liked that audition video. I don't know Ashley, I don't know if she'd fit the version of Kate we got in the show, but I'm definitely on board with that performance.
Good on Shawn for signal boosting it.
That's a fair point. I loved the seasons that I got to see on TV, but I haven't really checked it out on DC universe. Did it officially finish, or does it still have another season? Either way, it definitely is one of the best animated projects to come from DC.
Let's be honest, she's still a complete nobody and that tweet barely counts as viral. She's probably got something resembling a shot because the pool of out LGBT actors suitable for the role is quite small but going from Ruby to a no-name is a huge step down (even if the acting is a step up).
S3 was a lot better than S2 IMO. It doesn't finish, it's been renewed for S4 on DCU already.
To be fair they really been neglecting this for HQ, there's no reason why YJ shouldn't have also gotten a run on SYFY.
I don't think there are any prominent LGBTQ+ actors that are appropriate for the role though. Most of the notable ones are probably too old. Maybe somebody like Ellen Page but she doesn't really have the physical stature to play somebody like Batwoman.
They are pretty much going to have to go with someone that is relatively unknown.
That's great to know, that really puts me in a better mood after I watched Apokolips War.
Yup, it's lovable Barry's job to add another L and get it done. ;)
That bad? Haven't seen it yet.
Not sure what you mean by that. You think they just wound up with somebody who thought they were too good to be in a CW show?
Although I always felt Ruby Rose would leave the Batwoman role earlier than other lead actors, it's very surprising to see it happening this soon, though I guess the DCTV people hinting at some kind of drama on social media does suggest that there were untenable circumstances.
Given the universe in which the TV show is set, there's no shortage of ways to try to explain it, though I wonder if they even really need to bother. Most of the audience will know anyway, and a bunch of the rest will probably be quick enough to accept a new person in the role.
Out of all the Arrowverse series, I think Batwoman is probably the only one that could survive a recasting like this. The post-Crisis episodes of Batwoman were the pleasant surprise of this year's whole Arrowverse, and Ruby Rose was doing a better job in those episodes than she did at first, but she never looked comfortable in the role and she was being consistently outclassed by other actors, most especially Skarsten.
Given the universe in which the TV show is set, there's no shortage of ways to try to explain it, though I wonder if they even really need to bother. Most of the audience will know anyway, and a bunch of the rest will probably be quick enough to accept a new person in the role.
Out of all the Arrowverse series, I think Batwoman is probably the only one that could survive a recasting like this. The post-Crisis episodes of Batwoman were the pleasant surprise of this year's whole Arrowverse, and Ruby Rose was doing a better job in those episodes than she did at first, but she never looked comfortable in the role and she was being consistently outclassed by other actors, most especially Skarsten.
It wouldn't be too surprising if, by the time The Flash finally ends, the scene where Barry's mother dies is just a roomful of Barry Allens, trying to alternatively save her or stop the other Barry Allens from saving her.
Yeah. Ruby only ever really had name recognition, and I think they jumped into that pit ignoring all the vipers.
I'll warn you that S3 does get darker now that they're on DCU with no restrictions. It's not to the detriment of the show, except they bizarrely have a you killed Kenny recurring bit with a character getting killed over and over.
fuck no, S3 was much better than S2
I don't mean to get too OT, but for me it was pretty awful. It felt like it was really trying to outdo Flashpoint, which was another film/event that I thought was a little too grimdark. I could just be too sensitive considering how stressful life has been the past few months though, so if you liked the last stretch of DC animated films, you could wind up enjoying this.
Yeah, not really the place for it, but oh okay, yeah I saw the Flashpoint one so I know what you mean.
Yeah, I think if Supergirl lost Melissa it would be devastating. The Flash losing Grant would be similarly catastrophic. I just don't see either show losing their lead and continuing on for long - both shows' leads are their shows.
In some kind of small blessing, Ruby quitting (or being fired) this early means the show has a chance to define itself without her.
I'm watching him and Barrowman chat now. This is fun stuff. Nice and relaxing to watch.
Yeah they'll get through this but like Supergirl would not be Supergirl without Melissa.
Ruby made shockingly little impact as Kate. She had no presence or X factor like the other Arrowverse leads do. It was weird seeing a show where the lead would blend into the scenery, although it wouldn't surprise me if the writers gave her less to do after some of the stuff that's going around.
She was better as Batwoman, she had the physicality for fights and the expressionless demeanor works for the character. As long as she didn't need to say a line that conflicted with her accent lol
Agreed all over. I am not sad to see her go. I just hope they can replace her with someone actually deserving.
She WAS getting better though.
Not huge on memes, but this one from an AV Club thread really got me:
Pretty much. Amell is the closest example to Ruby that we have in terms of a lead actor being the weakest performer on their respective shows, but Amell's screen presence definitely outstripped Ruby's even in the early seasons.
I hope whoever they get to play Kate next is fun to watch.
Hopefully they will be able to cast an awesome LGBTQ+ actress as the new Kate. I was planning on binging the whole first season over the summer. I really don't want this casting change to hurt the show overall, Batwoman is a great character, and maybe this new casting will help in the long run.
Death in Paradise
Now on their fourth lead actor - indeed, only has two cast members who were there day one, and they're slightly separated from the main police station - and it's pretty much stayed at the same comfortable ratings throughout.
(Going back further - and for an extremely long-running series - Silent Witness is still trucking)
Edit: Oh, Taggart lost Taggart, and kept going.
Death in Paradise has pretty much become the crime procedural version of Doctor Who with how frequently they lose lead actors.
Yup, and Amell got a LOT better as the show continued and he made the role his own.
I have no confidence that Rose could have pulled that off.
Yeah, that's fair now! Although it was a bit of a surprise the first time it happened, and I was really impressed with how well it handled the transition.
agree, I loved season 1 and every season afterwards have been a cavalcade of half baked characters and overly complicated plans
Yea, I know S1 is growing pains and all that, but I honestly can't picture her ever being truly comfortable in the role, or me getting attached. When freaking Mary is more charismatic than you, that's an issue...
It's weird. I remember going into the show expecting Kris Marshall to show up, but honestly Humphrey grew on me pretty quickly. I fell off the show before he left, though.
I feel like I have more confidence in Mia's actress making the role her own than I did in Ruby doing the same with Kate.
Yeah there's potential with Mia. Part of it was the writing and the lack of softer scenes with her. I'm hopeful the canary show turns out great.
Yeah, I guess having her be aggro constantly meant the actress didn't have a ton of room to maneuver. I don't know what else she's been in so I don't know if she has much more range, but she's at least not cardboard like Ruby is in most of her uncostumed scenes.
Catch up on the thread and it seem like there was drama with her.
If they did fired here she had to be a nightmare since that is drastic move to make.
It also seem likely since you not getting out of a contract like that the first year .
She has more range that Ruby for certain .
If they did fired here she had to be a nightmare since that is drastic move to make.
It also seem likely since you not getting out of a contract like that the first year .
She has more range that Ruby for certain .
Midsomer Murders - Wikipedia
Midsomer Murders changed its lead after 13 years.
What is funny about this change is that the show is know internationally as Inspector Barnaby (or whatever the translation is in other languages), so they had to replace the lead character named Tom Barnaby with his cousin named John Barnaby.
That show is now at its 21st seasons