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RTX 3080 VRAM usage warnings and the issue with VRAM pool sizes: the compromise of 4K gaming
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You need to update your MSI Afterburner / RTSS Combo, you have a version thats over a year out of date if you dont have that option. Memory usage is DD4 not GPU VRAM
No. DWM should use ~500-600 MBs on a 4K display. There's something else running in the system which propels DWM VRAM usage this high.
I see, I did have it wrong.
So I dug a little deeper, and you're absolutely right:
G Hub I can understand, bloatware from Logitech... but the Desktop Windows Manager using over a gig?? Is that normal?
Seems high. dwm.exe is using 650mb for me. 560mb after closing Firefox and Discord. 460 without Steam but that one is kind of important.
Clean up your background apps and processes people.
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I am on the latest beta of RTSS and latest version of MSI Afterburner, I reinstalled both yesterday. Am I not seeing the "GPU" prefix because I only have one GPU (no integrated or secondary cards)?
The usage for that will go up if you have any Remote Desktop stuff running, screen mirroring or virtual display devices doing things.I see, I did have it wrong. But I don't see a GPU Memory Usage option, just regular Memory Usage.
So I dug a little deeper, and you're absolutely right:
G Hub I can understand, bloatware from Logitech... but the Desktop Windows Manager using over a gig?? Is that normal?
Likewise multi screen setups that have to render multiple windows etc will all pump useage for DWM up
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Thanks. I will look into this!
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scroll to the bottom of the list, its in there somewhere. Edit: actually on mine, it calls its GPU Memory usage, and RAM usage. Do you have a RAM usage? Perhaps memory usage / process is all that you need. I mean it will be pretty obvious if thats RAM or VRAM in your monitor.
Okay.
I haven't overclocked my memory at all, and the artifacts coincided with the VRAM warning - and went away once I stopped pushing it - hence my concluding they're somehow related.
That's correct. I don't have the GPU prefix either on my 9400F/1660.
Artifacting in my experience has always been related to bad overclocks or damaged GPU.
Interesting--I haven't noticed them in any other game, and they went away in Forza once I turned the MSAA down. Think I should get in touch with my GPU manufacturer?
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I think it would only be there for multi-GPU machines, I've seen that before on different PCs. Mine only has one GPU, so no prefix for that option. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't have "GPU1 memory usage" or "GPU memory usage / process" anywhere on that list.
If it's not happening in other games, I'd probably say you're fine. It could just be a specific bug with Forza or the drivers.
BTW you DO have a very old version. That version is from February 8th, not August 2nd. Its european date format. Newest version is 4.6.4 Beta 4, found here https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/msi-afterburner-beta-download.html
Sorry see my post directly above, its because you have a version that is 9 months old.
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Well shit, that'll teach me to download anything directly from msi.com. Thanks!
You also want the latest Rivatuner, the combined Afterburner package often has an outdated version. Rivatuner 7.3.2 Final was released yesterday.
Ah okay, thanks. It looks like a few other people are experiencing a similar issue with Horizon 5 specifically.
Oh god damnit, not this again. Why are internet nerds so insecure about their expensive purchases and have to religiously defend their choice and corporations. I have 3080 and have no problem admitting that, YES, 10GB VRAM is a limitation and a hindrance, which shouldn't be on such a costly card.
It's hilarious seeing the same names here still defending 10GB when the list of games where people get VRAM errors or get stuttering is increasing every month.
It's hilarious seeing the same names here still defending 10GB when the list of games where people get VRAM errors or get stuttering is increasing every month.
Calm down dude. When people/sites were saying "8GB is more than enough" for cards like 3070 I was rolling my eyes as I fully expected it would be a limitation, but most people here are simply saying they aren't getting these warnings on the same hardware.
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Just updated both MSI Afterburner and RTSS to the absolute latest versions (made doubly sure this time, thanks guys!) and still no other option than regular old "Memory usage". All good, I won't beat this point to death, I think the real issue is outside this monitoring tool.
I think the main concern for me was that SOMETHING (DWM.exe and G Hub) was eating a ton of my VRAM. I'll have to shut G Hub down before I play texture heavy games like Forza. DWM inflating and eating more VRAM over time might be a Windows 11 thing, who knows. I'll just have to restart my PC more frequently.
Thanks all for your input and assistance!
... And here's everyone's favourite truther, let no data, fact or evidence stand in their way!
Considering the fact that those names were called upon by way of mention of their threads etc, it's not. Even more so when the root of the problem has now been resolved and had nothing to do with the 10GB memory not being enough.
I'm not sure if you see the irony in your post when you wrote it as you are one of "the same people" as well, just from the other end. I was already expecting a post from you here talking about this very thing, ignoring the rest of the thread and you did not disappoint :P
No in fact I run Forza higher than 4k with everything maxed. I think something is up on your end
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Would you be able to share you idle VRAM usage outside of any games? I'm curious. After closing GHub, I'm idling at about 1 - 1.2 GB VRAM usage just sitting on my desktop.
Evidence is people reporting running out of VRAM or are you calling them liars? Evidence is multiple tech reviewers benchmark latest games and show 3080 frequently going close to 10GB limit. Evidence is Nvidia refreshing RTX3080 card with more VRAM. Evidence is you can't comfortably run games like FC6 with texutre pack. What else do you need? This feels like you are just bullying and stalking me, which is creepy to say the least. I'll have to report you if you keep doing this.
What was solved? OP was advised to install newer afterburner and reboot their PC? Great.. doesn't fix the underlying problem. It's just a band-aid until VRAM fills up again.
Glad to hear :) If you have a different option called RAM usage, then yes i would say the memory usage / process is the correct one, and you have it checked now so that is great to see! Let me know if you run into the issue anymore after a nice clean restart and all your VRAM is freed back up :)
Now that's what I call a lack of self-awareness.
Get lost with that stalker bullshit, you're the one who wandered into this thread peddling your usual garbage. If anything I should report you for bad faith arguing and trolling.
Seriously your evidence is a few people in this thread saying they're hitting limits, and then others troubleshooting why that is (nothing to do with the game), as well as countless others saying they've had no VRAM issues with 3080s.
Your evidence is 'tech reviewers' saying we're getting close to VRAM limits (not going over them I notice), when it's likely they're using allocation as has been covered many times before.
Your evidence is an unsubstantiated rumour.
Your evidence is something in FC6 I fucking called out earlier in this thread - that someone, most likely you, would try and pass an issue that occurs even on a 24 GB card onto the 3080. It's just so damn predictable.
User Banned (1 Month): Concern Trolling and Hostility Over Multiple Posts; History of the Same
And what was your great contribution in this thread?
"I don't have problems so means no one else does"
You never even intended to have any normal discussion in this thread. You wandered in here to stir up and bait people who don't agree with your opinion and now act high and mighty.
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What is wrong with this place sometimes, like you do realize that all I did was argue that video card doesn't have enough memory? A frigging video card... Geeez.
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Clean restart shows the two Memory usage figures properly now! DWM VRAM usage is now a third of what I first saw, and I've also quit out of G Hub, and tweaked some Wallpaper Engine settings so that it stops entirely and frees up about 130MB extra of VRAM when I'm playing a fullscreen game.
Just tried Deathloop again, and now it shows I have 9.3GB of available VRAM! No warning message! Halo Infinite just ran for 3 matches straight at Ultra textures as well with no sudden drop in FPS! PRAISE BE!
Thanks again all!
Edit: also quitting out of Chrome frees more VRAM. So much shit eats VRAM!!!
My contribution to this thread was the same as 95% of the others in this thread - clarifying that there aren't any VRAM issues in FH5, among other games.
Hey look just now, it turns out the OP was having an issue unrelated to the game causing the VRAM problem! Isn't that weird! Who would have thought, huh?
The fact that OP has to monitor VRAM and close background tasks and reboot and continue to monitor VRAM kind of means GPU doesn't have enough of it... not sure in how many different ways I can explain this. All this is just prolonging the inevitable, when VRAM usage in games is edging to the limit.
I agree cards need more VRAM but some basic PC maintenance can cut down and sometimes eliminate a lot of issues:
- Keep ALL programs out of startup.
- Regularly clear caches on apps and browsers.
- Regularly restart PC, especially if switching between intensive APPS, like games or design. If you have OS on NVMe it should only take 10-15secs.
- Uninstall any unwanted APPS.
- Keep registry clean.
- Update GPU drivers.
- Try not to have any other programs open when playing games unless absolutely necessary like Discord or Mods etc.
Yeah this pissed me off when I tried Alyx on my 2080 Ti before the Ampere cards were even out lol
Glad you were able to solve your issue. No matter how much RAM/VRAM I have I always try to close as many programs as possible so there is little interference.
Steam/EA clients themselves can take up around 400mb each so it all adds up.
The only two games so far which are hitting 10GB VRAM limit in 4K are Deathloop (which does some weird shit with memory allocation on level loads which eventually lead to oversubscription and stutters) and Far Cry 6 (which does it with a carefully engineered high res texture pack aimed at this specific outcome).
I dunno what "list" of games is "increasing every month". Two games is a list I guess. And the issue in both is easily solvable by lowering texture quality (which in both cases aren't exactly very noticeable to the eye IMO). For anyone who's ready to trade this for the lack of DLSS and slow RT or pay about twice as much for 3090 - god speed.
I dunno what "list" of games is "increasing every month". Two games is a list I guess. And the issue in both is easily solvable by lowering texture quality (which in both cases aren't exactly very noticeable to the eye IMO). For anyone who's ready to trade this for the lack of DLSS and slow RT or pay about twice as much for 3090 - god speed.
So to use Logitech gaming peripherals with full support while gaming in 4K, one needs a 3090 instead of a 3080.
There is zero reason why Logitech's mice, mousepads and other peripherals should eat up such a significant amount of fucking VRAM. What a joke.
all software from every peripheral company sucks massively
I have literally never had a good experience with any software for mice/keyboards except wootility and that doesn't need to be open to save any settings.