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RTTP: The Dark Knight is the best comic book movie ever, and nothing Marvel has done even comes close
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Pretty much. Now the Joker will be that movie for fans of "HiGh CiNEmA".
How could they pin it on Joker when it's been Two-face's choice to do what he's doing?
And he literally did kill him. Pretty easy way to avoid getting all the inmates set free.
Yeah this new flavour of Era has become real tiresome in about a week flat.
I rewatched this recently and could not believe how unbelievably high-minded and over-serious the whole thing was, pushing right past into silliness. I am not a fan of MCU films either, but really there's neither here nor there.
89 and returns are better
not to mention begins is as good or better.
Oh man
that showdown on the rooftops
amazing
not to mention begins is as good or better.
Oh man
that showdown on the rooftops
amazing
Infinity War and The Winter Soldier exist, so no.
The Dark Knight is better than every other Marvel Studios movie though.
The Dark Knight is better than every other Marvel Studios movie though.
Sort of kidding here, but can some explain to me what The Joker's plan was in this movie? Because as far as I can tell, The Joker's plan was
1. Leave clues that allude to a sniper targeting Gordon
2. Have robot sniper bots in the multiple windows so the police shoot whoever inspects the window while
3. Joker is secretly in the crowd disguised as a cop so he can
4. Shoot Gordon but not for fatally, so Gordon can fake his death and Joker can
5. Convince Harvey Dent to confess to being Batman so he can
6. Fail at killing Harvey Dent so Gordon can reveal himself as still alive so Joker can
7. Get caught, which is what Joker wanted so he can
8. Have an alibi as Harvey Dent is kidnapped under the guise of being escorted by OTHER cops while Joker's henchman is also caught so he can
9. Blow up the police station and
10. Escape to find where Harvey Dent is so he can
11. Set him loose to show Gotham that good people can go bad.
1. Leave clues that allude to a sniper targeting Gordon
2. Have robot sniper bots in the multiple windows so the police shoot whoever inspects the window while
3. Joker is secretly in the crowd disguised as a cop so he can
4. Shoot Gordon but not for fatally, so Gordon can fake his death and Joker can
5. Convince Harvey Dent to confess to being Batman so he can
6. Fail at killing Harvey Dent so Gordon can reveal himself as still alive so Joker can
7. Get caught, which is what Joker wanted so he can
8. Have an alibi as Harvey Dent is kidnapped under the guise of being escorted by OTHER cops while Joker's henchman is also caught so he can
9. Blow up the police station and
10. Escape to find where Harvey Dent is so he can
11. Set him loose to show Gotham that good people can go bad.
Blade 2.... Wait
Not Blade 1 but Blade 2?
Blade 2 with the CG Mortal Kombat ninja floodlight fight?
Nah bro you crazy
Begins is my overall favorite and has a superior ending for sure but Dents exit just grips me so much I can ignore a bit of the corn even though its being forced into my mouth by the handful
Yeah totally agree. I NEVER rewatch movies and rewatched it about 3 months ago. Fucking mind blowing. The themes of escalation and privacy vs security are there and still relevant as ever. The fucking strings as things just fucking amp up is great.
Not a lot to very little CGI. This is a fucking meat and bones movie like they don't make anymore. Joker is a black hole that everything absolutely orbits around. I mean one of the best movies of the last 20 years easily. Just so good. MCU is punchy, diverse fun but nothing matches this sorry.
I do appreciate the mask of phantasms sentiment in this thread.
Not a lot to very little CGI. This is a fucking meat and bones movie like they don't make anymore. Joker is a black hole that everything absolutely orbits around. I mean one of the best movies of the last 20 years easily. Just so good. MCU is punchy, diverse fun but nothing matches this sorry.
I do appreciate the mask of phantasms sentiment in this thread.
The only good thing about this movie is Ledger's performance.
I also was dropped several times on my head as a child.
I also was dropped several times on my head as a child.
I don't understand how you criticize TDK for a weak third act but praise BB in the same sentence.
The first half of BB is great and character driven, the latter half devolves into standard summer blockbuster territory.
What's insane is that I honestly believe Batman Begins is just as good as TDK. A one-two punch of honestly amazing movies. BB being so awesome is why I was so hyped for TDK. Those two will always be the best Super Hero movies of all time IMO.
I remember being in theaters when I saw Batman Begins on opening weekend, and when Gordon handed batman The Joker card, being 100% immediately sold on a sequel. From that scene, until TDK actually released, it was by far my most anticipated movie. Probably my most anticipated movie ever.
I also remember when they released the entirety of the bank heist scene on youtube a few weeks before the movie debuted and watching it on a loop over, and over, and over again. It was perfect and probably the single best hook for a movie I could imagine.
that's clearly Suicide Squad
^^^^^^
I love all three movies but to me TDKR was the epic culmination of what had come before. I loved the expanded scope, it just felt so big and loud and brash but still so fittingly Batman. I was in awe throughout. I still stand by Spider-Verse as the best-ever comic book movie, though, and to me it's not close.
Yeah, I'm of a similar mindset to this. It suggests an insecurity, as if the OP feels that TDK can't just stand on its own.
The Dark Knight is a fantastic film but Batman Begins is a better "Batman" movie. Also 300 is a better comic book movie.
And thank God Marvel is not trying to out film DC.
And thank God Marvel is not trying to out film DC.
Joker's basic plan was to kill the mayor, see what happens after that and keep doing stuff to antagonize Batman. He knew Batman would track down the sniper nest room and just created some chaos so he could get a chance at shooting the Mayor. He just improvises after that, it is a bit silly how far ahead of everyone else Joker is but you have to chalk it up to him being able to think like Batman and create counter moves for what Batman will do far in advance.
As he says to Two Face, he doesn't really have any "plans" per say, he just wants to create chaos and get people to turn on each other and he just sets up scenarios for that purpose. I think one of the most powerful scenes is when he hands a loaded gun to Two Face and doesn't flinch at all when Two Face puts it in his face, he isn't afraid of death, he isn't afraid of anything and thats what makes him so dangerous to Batman and Gotham.
The Dark Knight is an incredible film and the best comic book adaption to hit film - but it also has the WORST fight cinematography, totally could care less about the rachel love triangle, and the batman grating voice is just the worst. I would not say it doesn't come close.
What I don't get is why he did the bats voice when talking to Morgan freeman near the end.
Yeah it's damn good. Marvel films are really fun but ultimately feel disposable imo. The themes, screenplay, and performances of TDK have stayed with me.
TDK would be slightly above average without the Joker. The rest of the characters are rather undercooked, and mostly catalyzed by Joker's actions and influence. Bale's Batman voice is hard to take seriously. The pacing feels like it's in a race with itself.
I like TDK just fine but I know for a fact I would rarely be tempted to revisit it without Heath Ledger's performance. TDK is the Heath Ledger show.
I wouldn't think twice about ranking Infinity War and Endgame above TDK. Thanos is compelling as hell, especially when you consider he was a nonentity in the MCU before Infinity War made him a three dimensional and nuanced villain. The character development is better. The action and humor are better. The overarching plot is more satisfying to me, and I like the characters more than TDK's, barring Joker. The human moments, emotional highs and lows, spectacle, themes, performances (Joker the exception, as always), endings, and the combined effect of it all work better for me.
I like TDK just fine but I know for a fact I would rarely be tempted to revisit it without Heath Ledger's performance. TDK is the Heath Ledger show.
I wouldn't think twice about ranking Infinity War and Endgame above TDK. Thanos is compelling as hell, especially when you consider he was a nonentity in the MCU before Infinity War made him a three dimensional and nuanced villain. The character development is better. The action and humor are better. The overarching plot is more satisfying to me, and I like the characters more than TDK's, barring Joker. The human moments, emotional highs and lows, spectacle, themes, performances (Joker the exception, as always), endings, and the combined effect of it all work better for me.
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Absolutely. It's a masterpiece in general and is up there as my greatest experience in a movie theater alongside the first LotR. The tension that builds.. holy shit. The music, the Joker...
Plus as you say it still has wit, like actual grown up humour. It's a deftly made film in every way and is unlikely to ever be beaten as far as comic book hero movies go.
Plus as you say it still has wit, like actual grown up humour. It's a deftly made film in every way and is unlikely to ever be beaten as far as comic book hero movies go.
Batman Begins and Infinity War literally shit all over it
Now if we completely remove any kind of "realist" take, Aquaman and Shazam are both super solid as some of the most unashamed, excellent comic book movies out there. IM THE OCEAN MASTER BITCH
edit : forgot The Rocketeer and 300
Yeah no its not TDK
Now if we completely remove any kind of "realist" take, Aquaman and Shazam are both super solid as some of the most unashamed, excellent comic book movies out there. IM THE OCEAN MASTER BITCH
edit : forgot The Rocketeer and 300
Yeah no its not TDK
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HAHAHAHAHHA.
What nonsense is this? Take the key element out of a great film and it's average. Yeah that's sort of how it works.
i remember being not particularly blown away with it in 2008 (which is to say, i was in a very slim minority), but whenever i rewatch it every few years i get some serious feels, like holy shit this is one hell of a movie.
just a shame it couldn't have been edited down a half hour or so
just a shame it couldn't have been edited down a half hour or so
Put me in the "Batman Begins" is the a better movies camp. For what it's worth, I also think Joker is a better movie. I liked The Dark Knight when it came out, but over time I've grown less fond of it. The only real thing it has going for it is Heath Ledger.
Let me rephrase in a way that even you might understand: the elements surrounding the Joker are a big step down from Ledger's brilliance. He's the keystone to the whole film. Thanos may have comparable plot significance in IW and Endgame, but I didn't feel that he outshone everything else to a distracting degree.
I disagree. Two face was fantastic also but yes it was the Joker who underpinned all of it. That was the point. He was like the distillation of the anarchy which was reigning in Gotham, and corrupting everyone around him and highlighting the corruption of everyone around him. He was the entire focal point of the movie. That's only a negative in your eyes but that was the point!
His plan was to drive Gotham crazy and watch it eat itself.
Chaos.
Destroy it's 'white knight' Harvey Dent in the process.
In the end Batman takes the blame for Dent, to preserve his legacy.
TDK is maybe top three but Logan was better.
It's definitely up there for me, but I don't really rank one movie as better than the other. TDK, Winter Soldier, IW and Endgame are my favorite comic book movies. All of them are a joy to watch and rewatch.
Dark Knight trilogy
Logan
Deadpool
Avengers
Winter Soldier
Doctor strange (visually)
GOTG
Ragnorak
End Game/ Infinity War
Joker
They were all unique and had something new or impressive going for it.
The rest of marvel movies are run by the mill movies... which I still enjoy a lot :)
Logan
Deadpool
Avengers
Winter Soldier
Doctor strange (visually)
GOTG
Ragnorak
End Game/ Infinity War
Joker
They were all unique and had something new or impressive going for it.
The rest of marvel movies are run by the mill movies... which I still enjoy a lot :)