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H. Ross Perot, the colorful, self-made Texas billionaire who rose from a childhood of Depression-era poverty and twice ran for president as a third-party candidate, has died. He was 89.

Perot, whose 19% of the vote in 1992 stands among the best showings by an independent candidate in the past century, died early Tuesday at his home in Dallas surrounded by his devoted family, family spokesman James Fuller said.

As a boy in Texarkana, Texas, Perot delivered newspapers from the back of a pony. He earned his billions in a more modern way, however — by building Electronic Data Systems Corp., which helped other companies manage their computer networks.

Yet the most famous event in his career didn't involve sales and earnings; he financed a private commando raid in 1979 to free two EDS employees who were being held in a prison in Iran. The tale was turned into a book and a movie.

Perot first became known to Americans outside of business circles by claiming that the U.S. government left behind hundreds of American soldiers who were missing or imprisoned at the end of the Vietnam War. Perot fanned the issue at home and discussed it privately with Vietnamese officials in the 1980s, angering the Reagan administration, which was formally negotiating with Vietnam's government.

Perot's wealth, fame and confident prescription for the nation's economic ills propelled his 1992 campaign against President George H.W. Bush and Democratic challenger Bill Clinton. Some Republicans blamed him for Bush's lost to Clinton as Perot garnered the largest percentage of votes for a third-party candidate since former President Theodore Roosevelt's 1912 bid.

During the campaign, Perot spent $63.5 million of his own money and bought up 30-minute television spots. He used charts and graphs to make his points, summarizing them with a line that became a national catchphrase: "It's just that simple."

However, Perot's ideas on trade and deficit reduction remained part of the political landscape. He blamed both major parties for running up a huge federal budget deficit and letting American jobs to be sent to other countries. The movement of U.S. jobs to Mexico, he said, created a "giant sucking sound."

Perot continued to speak out about federal spending for many years. In 2008, he launched a website to highlight the nation's debt with a ticker that tracked the rising total, a blog and a chart presentation.

Henry Ross Perot was born in Texarkana on June 27, 1930. His father was a cotton broker; his mother a secretary. Perot said his family survived the Depression relatively well through hard work and by managing their money carefully.

Young Perot's first job was delivering papers in a poor, mostly black part of town from his pony, Miss Bee. Perot said when the newspaper tried to cut his commission, he complained to the publisher — and won. He said he learned to take problems straight to the top.

From Texarkana, Perot went to the U.S. Naval Academy even though he had never been on a ship or seen the ocean. After the Navy, Perot joined International Business Machines in 1955 and quickly became a top salesman. In his last year at IBM, he filled his sales quota for the year in January.

In 1962, with $1,000 from his wife, Margot, Perot founded Electronic Data Systems. Hardware accounted for about 80% of the computer business, Perot said, and IBM wasn't interested in the other 20%, including services.

Many of the early hires at EDS were former military men, and they had to abide by Perot's strict dress code — white shirts, ties, no beards or mustaches — and long work days. Many had crew cuts, like Perot.

The company's big break came in the mid-1960s when the federal government created Medicare and Medicaid, the health programs for seniors, the disabled and the poor. States needed help in running the programs, and EDS won contracts — starting in Texas — to handle the millions of claims.

In 1984, he sold control of the company to General Motors Corp. for $2.5 billion and received $700 million in a buyout. In 2008, EDS was sold to Hewlett-Packard Co.

Perot went on to establish another computer-services company, Perot Systems Corp. He retired as CEO in 2000 and was succeeded by his son, Ross Perot Jr. In 2009, Dell Inc. bought Perot Systems

It was during the Nixon administration that Perot became involved in the issue of U.S. prisoners of war in Southeast Asia. Perot said Secretary of State Henry Kissinger asked him to lead a campaign to improve treatment of POWs held in North Vietnam. Perot chartered two jets to fly medical supplies and the wives of POWs to Southeast Asia. They were not allowed into North Vietnam, but the trip attracted enormous media attention.

After their release in 1973, some prisoners said conditions in the camps had improved after the failed missions.

In 1979, the Iranian government jailed two EDS executives and Perot vowed to win their release.

"Ross came to the prison one day and said, 'We're going to get you out,'" one of the men, Paul Chiapparone, told The Associated Press. "How many CEOs would do that today?"

Perot recruited retired U.S. Army Special Forces Col. Arthur "Bull" Simons to lead a commando raid on the prison. A few days later, the EDS executives walked free after the shah's regime fell and mobs stormed the prison. Simons' men sneaked the executives out of the country and into Turkey. The adventure was recalled in Ken Follett's best-selling book "On Wings of Eagles" and a TV miniseries.

In later years, Perot pushed the Veterans Affairs Department to study neurological causes of Gulf War syndrome, a mysterious illness reported by many soldiers who served in the 1991 Persian Gulf war. He scoffed at officials who blamed the illnesses on stress — "as if they are wimps" — and paid for additional research.

Perot received a special award from the VA for his support of veterans and the military in 2009.
 

Transistor

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Ross Perot was an odd man. He had some brilliant policies and beliefs, and some others that weren't so great. RIP good sir
 

DGenerator

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I hope he runs again someday,
Maybe in a couple years.
I hope when he runs this time,
He gets better ears.

Again he'll have my vote there,
You wait and see.
Because there is no one else,
Ha ha ha, he he.

(RIP)
 

stumblebee

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Thanks to him, we got a fascinating 3-way presidential race and one of the only third parties in American history to make a significant impact on votes.
 

Jmdajr

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Dana Carvey impression would make me cry from laughter. It was insane.

Well R.I.P.
Thanks for those Clinton years.
 

Pockets

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Once your bar graph gets that long in age it's on to the great pie chart in the sky.
 

Kitten Mittens

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He finally finished. Godspeed. Will never forget some of his most memorable debate/interview moments. "Can I finish?! CAN... I ...FINISH?!"
 

Mar Tuuk

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I just saw a documentary about Bush (41) and when Ross Perot comes up you can see him seething, literally saying he didn't want to talk about him.

RIP Perot just goes to show you can affect the system.
 

Meows

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I still remember my mom telling me a couple years ago that she voted for Perot in 1996 lol.

May he rest in peace.
 

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He got 18.9 percent of the vote in 1992 and a lesser 8.4 percent in 1996. That's really impressive for a third party run, and you won't see anyone approach those numbers any time soon.
 

Teh_Lurv

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Do you mean George H. W. Bush?

Most believe yes.
No, most believe no actually.

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My town had/has a pretty large population of moderate Republicans and it went Clintion/Perot/Bush IIRC in '92. There is no doubt in my mind that Perot acted as a spoiler in that campaign.

I do wonder what would've happened if Perot listened to his campaign advisers and didn't drop out of the race from July-to-October, how the race could've turned out differently.
 

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My dad voted for him in 1992. lol

RIP
I remember my Dad voted for him too. Rest in peace, Ross.
I still remember my mom telling me a couple years ago that she voted for Perot in 1996 lol.

May he rest in peace.
My parents voted for him, only time they swayed from the hard R across the board.

I think my dad did too.
 

maximumzero

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Ah, Ross Perot, now that's a name I haven't thought about in the 90's.

I was too young to really follow any of his political beliefs at the time but he couldn't have been too awful of a person because I feel like if he was we would have heard about it by now.

Rest in Peace.
 

someday

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I'll always be grateful for Perot because he made it easier for Clinton to win. If I'm remembering right, Bush had a terrible first term (raising taxes pissed off the Republicans), so a lot of Perot's voters were from the right. RIP.
 

ProfessorLobo

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Yet the most famous event in his career didn't involve sales and earnings; he financed a private commando raid in 1979 to free two EDS employees who were being held in a prison in Iran. The tale was turned into a book and a movie

I need more info
 

Ignatz Mouse

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For all the talk of him altering the election, exit polls showed he took roughly equal amounts from Clinton and Bush.

He did't change the outcome of the election overall.

Bush was running in a recession, and had won initially by being "more of the Reagan administration." But the shine fell off Reagan around that time too, especially with the end of the cold war. Lastly, Bush alienated some of his base with new taxes.

Perot is fascinating and what he represented (populist dissatisfaction with both parties) was telling, but he didn't swing the election.

It's popular among the GOP to say that he did, as a way of delegitimatizing Clinton. It's not true.
 

Rookhelm

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I was too young to know much about him, so my only real impression was from parodies.

But judging from that writeup in the OP, he seemed like an okay dude.