Might as well be if you are finger wagging those who can't care less for the shit he's done.
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Ron Paul has apparent stroke live on his show this AM
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I just want to say that I'm glad you're not banned and don't deserve the shitty dogpiling that happened.
Wth really.
So I'm only progressive or with you if I write how good it is that this person had a stroke. Or if someone is at least silent, but as soon as someone sends some well wishes to a person, you're out?
Just FYI, no matter what someone believes in, everything, every single opinion was made from surroundings, from how a person grew up, from how a child was raised. No one is born evil. I wish death on no one. And I 100% don't wish a stroke, cancer or anything like that on anybody. I rather have 0 skin than shout with others to wish someone death or anything relatable.
You came into this thread complaining about people wanting to force or shame you into caring or empathizing, when really what upsets you is that anyone would offer up even the MILDEST expression of empathy and well-wishing. It's not like we're holding a fucking fund-raiser on his behalf. Again, nobody is obligated to care even a little bit, but neither is anyone obligated to stop themselves from feeling the slightest bit of empathy or to be as callous as you would want us to be.
Also, I'm a brown Puerto Rican. Raised and lived in poverty for 20+ years of my life, and lived through hurricane Maria. I very much have skin in the game.
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In that case, I feel very comfortable saying this video was hilarious.
Same here. Horrifying how fast something like this can happen.
Just watched it for this very reason. Strokes are very time sensitive emergencies too.
I mean, you sound like you have 0 fucking skin involved anyway............, let me know if I'm incorrect
Wake the fuck up, Dude OPPOSED THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964
Paul is 85 fucking years old lmao, he's way past his birthday so idk wtf you talking about with "nobody born evil "
Paul chose to be evil in his life, hence my lack of empathy for his whole situation
Again, I posted because a lot of you goofys want wish the man well when he uhhh
OPPOSED THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1964
but then wanna to turn to us and say Black Lives Matter
I just want everyone operating under that manner to fuck off honestly, hence why I posted
Look at what's going on in the current day.
Don't get mad at me for drawing a line in the sand. It should have been drawn a long time ago. I have 0 tolerance for anyone who's attacked my people at a systemic racial level.
Sure , people can have their opinions. But the reason I posted mind is because of how overwhelmingly people support his recovery. Fuck that.
Anyone here can call me callous, sure..... What the fuck else you expect me to be as black man with knowledge of history living thru a current civil rights struggle.
Like what do y'all really expect?
I'm glad you mentioned your skin, let's get to it..
You gonna have those well wishes when BunkerBoy stroke out? After he left your people to die? What about Stephen Miller? He wrote the plan, you want him to get better when he stroke out? What about a thread full of people hoping those two have a "speedy recover" or "get well"?
is that too much skin in the game now? If your answer is yes, fine. But I'm just telling the world that my answer will always be no
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Fine by me.
That's not how I play this game. But have fun winning people over with this attitude. That's not how you educate people. I'll be there when the topic is about oppression etc and not about "hurr durr, we all happy because we literally wish someone death upon". Doesn't make anyone better.
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And to clarify: some people will never have the chance to get out of their tunnel vision. He is surrounded by people like him. He grew up with people like him. But the people who he grew up with made him like they are. That's literally the same story, same with you or me. Then you may have the chance to get to university and maybe it changes there, but I also see enough right wingers etc there. So it's probably hard to change this, right? And it undoubtedly is. As a teacher I just know because of the surroundings, parents etc, what probably will happen and which way this person might go. Will I do a lesser job just because I know that child might be, growing up, supporting something different, because I can't even agree with the parents? Hell no. Especially if you get older, you more and more easily fall back to old patterns. If it would be oh so easy, whole of america would be progressive and liberal by now. But oh see there, it isn't. But why? But I'm sure your tactic works, the same as with vote blaming. It's either their death or ours right?
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Reminder that you making this post doesn't make you a good person either.
My grandmother had a stroke, lived for 13 years mostly bed ridden after. It really is horrible, my grandma busted her ass working and loved to go out and a bad stroke robbed her of all that, she was in her early 50s too so looking back she wasn't even old when it happened.
I'm glad the video isn't linked here, I don't want to see it.
I do not give a fuck about winning people over. The line is "Treat Black People with dignity and humanity". If you need coaxing to come around to that I do not give a fuck about you nor your opinion. 400 fucking years still tryna "win people over"
fucking foolish
I selectively choose when I decide to educate or not. It's not my fucking job. Prob the overwhelming majority of all of you prob had no idea the guy opposed the Civil Rights Act but y'all were damn sure ready to criticize me for not shedding tears for his recovery
but talk to me about education
I don't even know what the conversation is anymore, Again I jumped in because I read the thread seeing shit like "poor guy" etc etc
Like this guy isn't a notorious piece of shit.
Shutting the fuck up is free. Well aware of that, and was the planning to do it until I saw the replies in this thread. I do not have well wishes for those who oppress, denigrate, and defame my people
Whatever y'all have to do to accept that, fine
Punch the air
Kick rocks
Fold you arms
Never claimed my opinion was better or superior to others. However with my background, knowledge, and life experience, it damn sure isn't lesser by any regard either
If you're moving goalposts...sure.
People really think arguing for or against the old white dude is some fucking game and that us black people should educate? 😂😂😂
Yall just wilding out huh?
Yall just wilding out huh?
Goalposts or not, you and like the other 90 percent of the thread are shaming people who care less for some old man who fought against our rights.
I'm not saying that anybody is in any way socially or morally obligated to empathize or send their well-wishes. All I'm saying is that to empathize is to be human, and that nobody should feel obligated to make a conscious effort to stop themselves from having a brief, transient moment of empathy for people that they rationally know do not really deserve it.
In my opinion, this setting of arbitrary thresholds for callousness before one can call themselves an ally is toxic, unhelpful, and completely out of touch with how the vast majority of people function. To me, it only represents a problem when it crosses over into trying to support (via fundraising or whatever), lionize, or white-wash what they did (as happened with George W. Bush). *That's* what we should be vigilant about.
At a rational level, I think most of us (with some exceptions in this thread) understand that Ron Paul is a shitty human being; we don't need to be admonished for expressing very mild empathy, especially when most of the expressions of empathy here haven't really been about feeling empathy for *him* in particular, but rather about seeing and being reminded of our own grandparents and other people in our lives when we see this 85-year old having a stroke. That's what empathy is.
Believe it or not, there have been moments where I have pitied Donald Trump. 99.99% of the time, I feel hatred for him and his administration, at both a rational and visceral level. But I have also felt transient moments of pity (that's not to say that you should also feel these transient moments of pity for Ron Paul or whatever). As long as that doesn't spill over into white-washing what he's done, I think that's okay.
I felt nothing watching that. I've always hated Ron Paul and what he stood for and that changed nothing.
Some truths.
- It's okay to not wish evil people well
- It's okay to not have sympathy for evil people
- It's okay to side-eye people that do
- Wishing evil people well does not make you morally better than people that don't
- Wishing evil people well in the presence of people those people have harmed is a problem
- Ron Paul is evil
- Ron Paul will not change.
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See that's where you're wrong. I don't care if you shed a tear. But literally saying "you're all trash if you don't wish him dead" is just not the way to go.
I see it on the same level as people saying they're excited for that Harry Potter game in response to someone bringing up Rowling transphobia—dismissal of the bad aspects, but with enough plausible deniability to get away with it.
Not really? Okay. 😪
I guess we can ignore these types of posts since it not really was shaming at all.
I've been trying to articulate the way I feel via several posts I've deleted, and you've nailed it down here perfectly.
Thanks.
He's fine and will be back to oppressing minorities, women, and the poor in a few days. So glad everyone that wished him well got what they wanted!
I think most people should watch the video of it. It's probably a good thing for people to see a very clear cut stroke so they know what to look for in less obvious ones. I don't think it's too difficult to watch either. Also remember FAST which another user already posted earlier in detail.
Shit I didn't know words could cure people. We might be able to solve this healthcare issue now.
Oof, it was scary to watch considering I lost grandparents and relatives to strokes... But I wouldn't go as far as to wish him well.
Sometimes none of that slurring happens and it's just a sudden drop. Worst way to lose a loved one, no warning whatsoever.
If someone like Trump or Mitch McConnel suffered a horrible death people would rightfully be elated. Ron Paul isn't quite as bad as that (if mostly because his platform is smaller); people giving support doesn't bother me, but the pushback against people reminding that he's a awful person is pretty odd to me.
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