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Roe v. Wade (technically Planned Parenthood v. Casey) effectively overturned in Texas.
- Thread starter Senator Toadstool
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The law gives them standing. The law creates the cause of action. It does so to circumvent the state enforcing it.
I agree that it should be tossed out but it won't because SCOTUS is full of Conservatives at the moment.
The law gives them standing. If we removed governmental, sovereign or presidential immunity you would have standing to sue them at will.
Edit: Beaten above.
literally all folks had to do was vote for the most capable and prepared candidate in modern history over a man who told the world exactly who he was and what he wanted to do...and instead, many refused to do the bare minimum because the Dem candidate wasn't AS liberal as someone else.
thats all folks had to do and now these same folks are screaming at the very things happening we all said would happen if hillary didnt win.
Exactly, all of those that weren't "inspired" enough by Clinton? You did this. You're culpable. Congratulations. I'm talking to large swathes of this forum btw.
If those same people are now posting forms of election-nihilism they'll continue to be culpable just as much as Trump voters.
folks were willing to fuck the system up thinking it would turn America into some progressives utopia because people would want to go full anti trump/conservatives.
these same folks seem to ignore how racist this country has always been and will continue to be.
I don't understand how the lawsuit part works? Even if the SCotUS wasn't going to step in on the abortion question, the suit part is clearly absurd. How would these people have standing or show damages?
The lawsuit part is so ridiculous, every Democrat needs to sue Abbott etc under this law for abetting abortions (since abortion #s go up under Republicans). They'll fold on letting anyone without standing sue pretty quickly.
yep. Only thing people can do is vote in every election, be it local, midterm, national. Dems need to get better at coming out even for 'boring' elections, take over school
Boards, city councils, create think tanks that fund programs in law schools, basically go the route of the Koch brothers.
In districts that are more purple or red, dems need to be ok with moderates and places where its blue they need to push extreme progressives.
Already ahead of you. Texas passed its election law.
They do have standing because the law gives them standing.
It wouldn't work that way under the law unless Abbott himself helped people get abortions.
Its 2021 and we're back to discourse about how voting in 2016 mattered when dems have a majority in the house, senate, and own the presidency and none of these branches of government are doing anything to stop this.
Those parts may be more vulnerable to court challenges but unless SCOTUS intervenes I can't see anyone stopping them from banning abortion after a mere 6 weeks.
man this country is so dumb. Abortion has been legal since Roe (well not in TX anymore) simply because of a Supreme Court decision, but we never codified by passing legislation after all these decades. So many missed opportunities.
i know everybody else has moved on but I'm still marveling at this response. truly amazing.
Breyer really needs to retire so we can fill that spot before it's too late or things could get even worse.
I don't really get the point in blaming the 2016 election when Supreme Court Justices are pretty much decided by luck and timing. The two Obama presidencies before and the likely two Biden presidencies after Trump's ONE term will be lucky to even replace the same amount of SC Justices.
What we need is enough people in power to willing change this system to actual represent the populace.
What we need is enough people in power to willing change this system to actual represent the populace.
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"I don't understand the difference between federal and state law and also what the fuck is a Supreme court?"
There was literally an open Supreme Court seat on the line in 2016.
....Couldn't help but notice you left out the 3rd (and necessary) branch of govt for this case in particular.
Yes, but we maintain diplomatic relations.
But there are so many historical examples of that approach working! Like...um...hmmm...
You mean the one that dems could simply pack on a party line and prevent this nonsense?
I mean, there is something to be said that abortion rights should have been codified in federal statute rather than relying on a SCOTUS ruling, and there was some chatter about that just after Biden's election win, but I'm sure Manchin and Sinema have put that down rather quick.
It's still ends up a Supreme Court issue because it'll be challenged on the basis of religious freedom.
2016 is referenced as being a particularly consequential period because the Supreme Court(which effectively has final say on these matters) had a known vacancy at the time of the election and , and two there afterwards ( one of which due death causing an non-elective vacancy).
they have a 50/50 tie in the Senate with Kamala being the tie breaker. What is it you want them to do? Please, do tell....
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/01/us/supreme-court-texas-abortion.html
If I'm mistaken they're referring to the federal supreme court and not the supreme court of texas. The one dems could pack on a party line.
Jesus fuck, I do not have the time to get into a civics lesson with your obtuse ass.
"Why are we asking people to vote when we can introduce this much more difficult option right over here?"
Limiting access to abortion-inducing pills is next:
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Bill limiting abortion-inducing pills heads to Gov. Greg Abbott's desk to be signed into law
Senate Bill 4, which was advanced by the Texas House on Monday evening, would bar access to abortion-inducing pills to patients who are more than seven weeks pregnant.
www.texastribune.org
I'm sure we would have gotten a Ginsberg replacement under Obama, right after Merrick Garland was seated. /s
My apologies, it was supposed to be luck and timing, not luck in timing.
Yes everyone busted their ass in 2020 to get the trifecta with a bonus month where we had to win the georgia senate seat only to be told vote harder in the next election when nothing happens.
Then don't spread defeatism.
We're in this situation because not enough people voted against backwards-ass conservatism.
Our words and actions matter, and when you say stuff like this, it helps spread apathy.
In the Senate, we won the slimmest possible majority. Not nearly enough to have the kind of control that we need.
I'm tired of people being surprised to hear that 2020 wasn't enough. We can't just win one election and then throw our hands up when we learn conservatives weren't totally vanquished.
It's going to take A LOT more work than that.
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Also, fuck RBG and now Breyer for not being able to read the room. I got so much shit for trashing RBG years ago for not stepping down in 2014. I hope you're ok with her "folk hero"' legacy taking priority over the progressive and indeed mainstream values, laws and statutes that the current SCOTUS and state legislatures/courts/etc across the county are just utterly tearing apart at an alarming rate. If you can't vote someday because of your zip code and you just learned your neighbor died from trying to get a coat hanger abortion, at least we have our liberal folk hero right? SMH this country is a dumpster fire.