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L.E.D.

Member
Oct 27, 2017
640
No, RH stopped allowing trading because the hammer is coming on them for letting people extend themselves beyond their means.

The whole situation is fucked, and it's because it should have been nipped in the bud last week. Artificially spiking the price of a company that has bad fundamentals never could have lasted more than a few days. They shouldn't have allowed the purchases in the first place after it was clear that retail investors with little experience were day trading based on advice from forums and twitter.

How do you know these people are extended beyond their means? Why shouldn't people be allowed to take their own money and invest in the free market with whatever stock they want?
 

Thunder11

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,951
Commoners shouldn't be able to day trade. It's super risky and expensive behaviour.

I'm a former series 4/24/34 with 20 years experience in risk management and can explain a tied stock exemption to trading ahead and can calculate options deltas in my head. I can calculate maker/taker credits into my trades. I'm the kind of person who should be allowed to do this stuff because I understand the risks and fees.

I don't do it precisely because I do understand how risky it is for someone like me without a ton of money in the bank to eat those losses.

Downloading an app should not give you access to the risky shit robinhood allows.

We are buying and selling shares with cash - that's the large majority of what these people are doing. By driving down the share price and only allowing one side to continue (the side who is literally benefiting by a falling price) it's screwing over the average person only, and benefiting the billionaires engaged in the shady practices.

Again, should being able to short >100% of the shares and artificially drive down the price in the first place have been allowed in the first place? Why do they get to change the rules when they're the ones who stand to lose?
 

Stooge

Member
Oct 29, 2017
11,136
I'm sorry. What is this?

People off the street. Day trading is super fucking risky and this thread makes clear that most people don't understand that risk.

My job was protecting retail investors on wall street in my 20s and enforcing those protections as a regulator in my 30s.

I care deeply about retail investors getting in financial trouble with risky investments
 

fallingedge

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,833
Commoners shouldn't be able to day trade. It's super risky and expensive behaviour.

I'm a former series 4/24/34 with 20 years experience in risk management and can explain a tied stock exemption to trading ahead and can calculate options deltas in my head. I can calculate maker/taker credits into my trades. I'm the kind of person who should be allowed to do this stuff because I understand the risks and fees.

I don't do it precisely because I do understand how risky it is for someone like me without a ton of money in the bank to eat those losses.

Downloading an app should not give you access to the risky shit robinhood allows.

lmao at commoners

acting just like your user name

get out with this nonsense

i agree that there needs to be a way to protect the retail investor but what RH did is absurd
 

Deleted member 70788

Jun 2, 2020
9,620
People off the street. Day trading is super fucking risky and this thread makes clear that most people don't understand that risk.

My job was protecting retail investors on wall street in my 20s and enforcing those protections as a regulator in my 30s.

I care deeply about retail investors getting in financial trouble with risky investments

There need to be some regulations, but your post (and maybe you don't mean it to) comes across as totally paternalistic. Only people who know everything you do deserve to make decisions about their own wealth? Nah.
 

Dennis8K

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
20,161
Wall Street: "People shouldn't be upset with Wall Street, they should invest in stocks to get some of the wealth too"

Also Wall Street: "Commoners, stop trading! You are doing it wrong!"
 

shinobi602

Verified
Oct 24, 2017
8,327
People off the street. Day trading is super fucking risky and this thread makes clear that most people don't understand that risk.

My job was protecting retail investors on wall street in my 20s and enforcing those protections as a regulator in my 30s.

I care deeply about retail investors getting in financial trouble with risky investments
While it's noble to try and presumably help people, I think telling regular folk they shouldn't be able to invest or pump/dump their own money as they see fit a bit off the deep end.

Might as well tell 'commoners' they shouldn't be able to go to a casino too.
 

Stooge

Member
Oct 29, 2017
11,136
We are buying and selling shares with cash - that's the large majority of what these people are doing. By driving down the share price and only allowing one side to continue (the side who is literally benefiting by a falling price) it's screwing over the average person only, and benefiting the billionaires engaged in the shady practices.

Again, should being able to short >100% of the shares and artificially drive down the price in the first place have been allowed in the first place? Why do they get to change the rules when they're the ones who stand to lose?

But you are buying shares of one or two companies only based on a stonks meme and promises of risk free profit. Gamestop was always going to crater in price.

Like fuck Robinhood, but fuck them for letting this happen. This is a clear grift by people who started this buying frenzy in the first place who made off like bandits
 

Contramann

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,404
Commoners shouldn't be able to day trade. It's super risky and expensive behaviour.

I'm a former series 4/24/34 with 20 years experience in risk management and can explain a tied stock exemption to trading ahead and can calculate options deltas in my head. I can calculate maker/taker credits into my trades. I'm the kind of person who should be allowed to do this stuff because I understand the risks and fees.

I don't do it precisely because I do understand how risky it is for someone like me without a ton of money in the bank to eat those losses.

Downloading an app should not give you access to the risky shit robinhood allows.
I've never known anyone to use the word "Commoners" and not followed it up with a intentional hilarious parody of out of touch rich people.
 

SteveWinwood

Member
Oct 25, 2017
18,675
USA USA USA
i mean if we really cared about people not wasting their money on things they dont understand theres a hell of a lot of things we could start restricting before we get even near the stock market
 

Heliex

Member
Nov 2, 2017
3,105
Fuck Robinhood, manipulating the market by freezing peoples ability to buy was already bad enough, now theyre force selling peoples positions.
 

FeliciaFelix

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,778
Last night! I put in $100 in Gamestop and $10 in AMC for the lulz, worth it just to say I did. I'm the proud owner of 0.42233 of a stock!
 
May 30, 2018
1,255
Commoners shouldn't be able to day trade. It's super risky and expensive behaviour.

I'm a former series 4/24/34 with 20 years experience in risk management and can explain a tied stock exemption to trading ahead and can calculate options deltas in my head. I can calculate maker/taker credits into my trades. I'm the kind of person who should be allowed to do this stuff because I understand the risks and fees.

I don't do it precisely because I do understand how risky it is for someone like me without a ton of money in the bank to eat those losses.

Downloading an app should not give you access to the risky shit robinhood allows.

Get off your high horse. Your the type of person who should be allowed to this? The elitism is off the charts
 

LebGuns

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,127
Commoners shouldn't be able to day trade. It's super risky and expensive behaviour.

I'm a former series 4/24/34 with 20 years experience in risk management and can explain a tied stock exemption to trading ahead and can calculate options deltas in my head. I can calculate maker/taker credits into my trades. I'm the kind of person who should be allowed to do this stuff because I understand the risks and fees.

I don't do it precisely because I do understand how risky it is for someone like me without a ton of money in the bank to eat those losses.

Downloading an app should not give you access to the risky shit robinhood allows.
Right, as if a bunch of hedge fund assholes didn't literally collapse the economy in 2008. Yeah you're right they're the only experts that should be allowed to trade.
 

LGHT_TRSN

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,125
If I want to put $500 bucks into a trading app and buy a stock, I should be able to. That's not excessive risk.
 

Deleted member 21709

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 28, 2017
23,310
Right but you also shouldn't let a retail investors put too much of their net worth into a single stock. It's too risky. These laws exist because of past crashes that wiped out retail investors.

It's a free country. All RH needs to do is communicate that risk.
This isn't about laws, and you are missing the point completely of what is happening right now.

Commoners shouldn't be able to day trade. It's super risky and expensive behaviour.

I'm a former series 4/24/34 with 20 years experience in risk management and can explain a tied stock exemption to trading ahead and can calculate options deltas in my head. I can calculate maker/taker credits into my trades. I'm the kind of person who should be allowed to do this stuff because I understand the risks and fees.

I don't do it precisely because I do understand how risky it is for someone like me without a ton of money in the bank to eat those losses.

Downloading an app should not give you access to the risky shit robinhood allows.

Holy fuck, commoners? You deserve to be raked over the coals for that one. Screw your attitude.
 

Thunder11

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,951
But you are buying shares of one or two companies only based on a stonks meme and promises of risk free profit. Gamestop was always going to crater in price.

Like fuck Robinhood, but fuck them for letting this happen. This is a clear grift by people who started this buying frenzy in the first place who made off like bandits

What about the hedge funds with massive short interest, who literally own Robinhood? 🤔
 

PMS341

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt-account
Banned
Oct 29, 2017
6,634
Commoners shouldn't be able to day trade. It's super risky and expensive behaviour.

I'm a former series 4/24/34 with 20 years experience in risk management and can explain a tied stock exemption to trading ahead and can calculate options deltas in my head. I can calculate maker/taker credits into my trades. I'm the kind of person who should be allowed to do this stuff because I understand the risks and fees.

I don't do it precisely because I do understand how risky it is for someone like me without a ton of money in the bank to eat those losses.

Downloading an app should not give you access to the risky shit robinhood allows.

I honestly can't tell if this is trolling or not but referring to literally anyone as "commoners" is disrespectful af. You aren't above anyone just because you played with stocks. Seriously gross fucking language and you should be ashamed of yourself.
 

Lump

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,965
Got my ally investment account, time to buy the dip 4k into AMC baby

I'm still $300 into AMC and am holding but it feels stalled out. AMC sold a shitload of their stock this week to capitalize on what's going on to clear some debt.

The funny thing is that this only ordeal actually, legitimately might've saved the company and give them enough cash to ride out the pandemic.

apple.news

AMC Raises More Cash Amid Reddit-Driven Share Price Surge — TheStreet

A group of investors including private-equity firm Silver Lake will convert $600 million of AMC convertible senior notes into stock at $13.51 a share.
 

Beignet

alt account
Banned
Aug 1, 2020
2,638
But you are buying shares of one or two companies only based on a stonks meme and promises of risk free profit. Gamestop was always going to crater in price.

Like fuck Robinhood, but fuck them for letting this happen. This is a clear grift by people who started this buying frenzy in the first place who made off like bandits
Gamestop is not a stonks meme, at this point if you're investing then you're betting against Melvin for the ridiculously dumb shorting instead of betting for Gamestop the company. The company isn't the point, it's about retail daytraders doing a reverse-2008 against a hedge fund.
 

ash32121

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,563
Commoners shouldn't be able to day trade. It's super risky and expensive behaviour.

I'm a former series 4/24/34 with 20 years experience in risk management and can explain a tied stock exemption to trading ahead and can calculate options deltas in my head. I can calculate maker/taker credits into my trades. I'm the kind of person who should be allowed to do this stuff because I understand the risks and fees.

I don't do it precisely because I do understand how risky it is for someone like me without a ton of money in the bank to eat those losses.

Downloading an app should not give you access to the risky shit robinhood allows.
Does 2008 not happen in your timeline or what the fuck is this?
 

Stooge

Member
Oct 29, 2017
11,136
While that's a noble position to hold and commendable, I think telling regular folk they shouldn't be able to invest or pump/dump their own money as they see fit a bit too far.

Might as well tell 'commoners' they shouldn't be able to go to a casino too.

Commoners was a poor choice of words, but I lived through the penny stock scams and saw a lot of people lose their life savings on transactions they didn't understand.

This isn't about being paternalistic. It's preventing people from getting taken to the cleaners by grifters.

I think all these trades should be unwound and everyone should get their money back and RH and those that engaged in this behaviour should be the ones to eat those losses.
 

Nola

Banned
Oct 29, 2017
8,025
Commoners shouldn't be able to day trade. It's super risky and expensive behaviour.

I'm a former series 4/24/34 with 20 years experience in risk management and can explain a tied stock exemption to trading ahead and can calculate options deltas in my head. I can calculate maker/taker credits into my trades. I'm the kind of person who should be allowed to do this stuff because I understand the risks and fees.

I don't do it precisely because I do understand how risky it is for someone like me without a ton of money in the bank to eat those losses.

Downloading an app should not give you access to the risky shit robinhood allows.
Condescinding navel-gazing, cool, not sure what that has to do with the bullshit RobinHood is pulling by manipulating the market?
 

TheGhost

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
28,137
Long Island
No, RH stopped allowing trading because the hammer is coming on them for letting people extend themselves beyond their means.

The whole situation is fucked, and it's because it should have been nipped in the bud last week. Artificially spiking the price of a company that has bad fundamentals never could have lasted more than a few days. They shouldn't have allowed the purchases in the first place after it was clear that retail investors with little experience were day trading based on advice from forums and twitter.
I spent $70
I didn't go beyond my means I'm just annoyed they suddenly didn't let the nature of the stock market play its course. Yes rich people need to take some licks too from time to time.
 
Oct 27, 2017
10,660
Right but you also shouldn't let a retail investors put too much of their net worth into a single stock. It's too risky. These laws exist because of past crashes that wiped out retail investors.
All investment is 'too risky'.
This isn't concern for the regular person.
What it appears to be happening here is the rich are scared their con game get richer scheme is coming to an end.
 

Mr. Poolman

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
6,975
People off the street. Day trading is super fucking risky and this thread makes clear that most people don't understand that risk.

My job was protecting retail investors on wall street in my 20s and enforcing those protections as a regulator in my 30s.

I care deeply about retail investors getting in financial trouble with risky investments
If it is not your money, and you are not getting paid for it. Please get off your high horse.
 

Video Kojima

Banned
Apr 5, 2020
2,541
Commoners shouldn't be able to day trade. It's super risky and expensive behaviour.

I'm a former series 4/24/34 with 20 years experience in risk management and can explain a tied stock exemption to trading ahead and can calculate options deltas in my head. I can calculate maker/taker credits into my trades. I'm the kind of person who should be allowed to do this stuff because I understand the risks and fees.

I don't do it precisely because I do understand how risky it is for someone like me without a ton of money in the bank to eat those losses.

Downloading an app should not give you access to the risky shit robinhood allows.
How do you feel about casinos, betting games? Buying houses??
 

RedMercury

Blue Venus
Member
Dec 24, 2017
17,648
People off the street. Day trading is super fucking risky and this thread makes clear that most people don't understand that risk.
An 18 page thread on a niche video gaming enthusiast forum is enough for you to declare most people don't understand the risk? Not only is that elitist as hell but that's also enough for you to justify cutting an entire swath of individuals out of an entire umbrella of legal investments?
 

Scuffed

Member
Oct 28, 2017
10,831
Like how much more obvious does it need to get? The average person is now left scrambling trying to find a place where they can buy a stock they want to buy while institutions weren't inconvenienced at all and are now playing the swings which they are controlling. Just WTF. Burn it all to the ground.

You got it all wrong they are just trying to protect us! At the end of the day the big money has to frame the protection of thier financial interests as being driven by thier concern for the retail investor. Only idiots believe this but it is the most palpable spin. Some are probably arguing that this could cause some kind of meltdown of the markets and ruin everyone. This isn't true of course but both "stories" are better than the real story which is "holy crap the plebs are going to lose us so much money please stop them!"
 

Dave.

Member
Oct 27, 2017
6,139
Commoners shouldn't be able to day trade. It's super risky and expensive behaviour.

I'm a former series 4/24/34 with 20 years experience in risk management and can explain a tied stock exemption to trading ahead and can calculate options deltas in my head. I can calculate maker/taker credits into my trades. I'm the kind of person who should be allowed to do this stuff because I understand the risks and fees.

I don't do it precisely because I do understand how risky it is for someone like me without a ton of money in the bank to eat those losses.

Downloading an app should not give you access to the risky shit robinhood allows.
Lmao
 

Bizazedo

Member
Oct 28, 2017
2,609
Now anyone with an app gets them. It's truly absurd how much these tech-bro disruptive trading apps have enabled people to take on risk they don't understand.
How do you know they don't understand the risk? This is a blanket ban on buying so it doesn't look like they're assessing risk.

If at my old job in credit cards, I denied a credit card application because "I don't think they REALLY understand how credit cards work" I'd be fired, possibly arrested depending on who I did it too.
 

Stooge

Member
Oct 29, 2017
11,136
Does 2008 not happen in your timeline or what the fuck is this?

2008 was a mess and it needed swift regulation and way more people should have wound up behind bars especially related to the rating agencies and pressure put on them as well as the marketing of what we're known to be garbage loans to pensions, but 2008 was related to risky derivative underwriting not day trading.

I don't think wall St is faultless or even good. I think they are *also* a bunch of grifty assholes.
 

Kuga

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
2,263
I bought 10 shares of GME earlier today @ 270 on my Vanguard account with some reallocated play money. If it goes to zero that will suck but oh well. At this point it's about the principle of the matter and I don't plan to sell soon.
 

Stooge

Member
Oct 29, 2017
11,136
How do you know they don't understand the risk? This is a blanket ban on buying so it doesn't look like they're assessing risk.

If at my old job in credit cards, I denied a credit card application because "I don't think they REALLY understand how credit cards work" I'd be fired, possibly arrested depending on who I did it too.

Right, credit extension laws are regulated to ensure fair access to credit. Securities regulations are written to protect investors. They are far different industries.

You are supposed to talk to your customer if they are over leveraged or over specialized in a single company. Like, these are actual laws/regs on the books.
 

XMonkey

Member
Oct 26, 2017
6,827
Commoners shouldn't be able to day trade. It's super risky and expensive behaviour.

I'm a former series 4/24/34 with 20 years experience in risk management and can explain a tied stock exemption to trading ahead and can calculate options deltas in my head. I can calculate maker/taker credits into my trades. I'm the kind of person who should be allowed to do this stuff because I understand the risks and fees.

I don't do it precisely because I do understand how risky it is for someone like me without a ton of money in the bank to eat those losses.

Downloading an app should not give you access to the risky shit robinhood allows.
Ya? Good for you.

That isn't what's happening here and you know it.

Take your bullshit about "commoners" out to the trash where it belongs.
 
Oct 27, 2017
6,141
The blatant manipulation is something everybody understands because it's the type of shit that wouldn't fly in your family monopoly game or in your fantasy sports league or in Vegas. People with a lot more experience and investment are obviously going to be acting like this is actually all normal and how it works. They are well aware of the strings being pulled and the meta, but like that doesn't mean it isn't bs compared to other gambles.
 

shazrobot

Member
Oct 28, 2017
882
Commoners was a poor choice of words, but I lived through the penny stock scams and saw a lot of people lose their life savings on transactions they didn't understand.

This isn't about being paternalistic. It's preventing people from getting taken to the cleaners by grifters.

I think all these trades should be unwound and everyone should get their money back and RH and those that engaged in this behaviour should be the ones to eat those losses.
I don't know if you've answered this, but don't you think it's weird that a stock like GME could be shorted as much as it was? Shouldn't THAT have been illegal, not the retail traders on RH and others trying to use that to their advantage?