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Riots Valorant subreddit mod censoring and other issues about their anti cheat controversy
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Here's a compilation video from back in 2016 of people getting banned mid-game on stream from CSGO. Disclaimer: does contain some slurs.
Point is, this claim that Vanguard is magical is horseshit.
...who is claiming that Vanguard is magical? All I said in the post you quoted is that I've never seen anti-cheat taken so seriously this early on. It's week -1 of closed beta and people are already getting smacked down. CSGO released in 2012.
That's largely because nobody was hoping to be the next big Twitch star in 2012. A lot of people are seeing Valorant as their opportunity to break into the streaming big time. As a result, more footage which means more chance of rare events getting caught on video (such as accounts getting banned).
The fact that Riot marketed the anti-cheat as super proactive, terminating games on cheat detection and making a large variety of big claims. In practice, some of the deterrents (most notably the Fog of War) appears to be ineffective, and that the anti-cheat is operating similarly to VAC (in mainly appearing as waves of bans well after cheats have been detected) does suggest the marketing was at best dishonest and at worst lies.
Because it effects them. If this was a thing only in China, it would be applauded by these same people.
Here's a long article concerning the Kerbal based antichear some time ago.
This is why some of Riot's future titles will be protected by a kernel driver.
I think I'm going to panic?
There are several reasons you should absolutely not do that.
Transmission complete, but I'll be returning in approximately four megaseconds to tell you about bots in your ARAMs, a follow-up to our award-winning novella, "Removing Cheaters from League.
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If this is true...
"Several third party anti-cheat systems—like EasyAntiCheat, Battleye, and Xigncode3—are already utilizing a kernel driver to protect your favorite AAA games."
then this is a complete non issue cause the list of games that use these two clients are massive.
EasyAnticheat
BattleEye
BattleEye flatout says it on their page.
"Fully proactive kernel-based protection system and fast dynamic and permanent scanning of the player's system using specific and heuristic/generic detection routines for maximum effectiveness."
So if you've played Raibow 6 Siege, Fortnite, Ark, PuBG, Tarkov and others you already have a kernal based anticheat on your system.
This covers pretty much 90% of people PC games.
This is why some of Riot's future titles will be protected by a kernel driver.
I think I'm going to panic?
There are several reasons you should absolutely not do that.
- Stress can lead to excess hair loss, and I don't want your head to get cold.
- This isn't giving us any surveillance capability we didn't already have. If we cared about grandma's secret recipe for the perfect Christmas casserole, we'd find no issue in obtaining it strictly from user-mode and then selling it to The Food Network. The purpose of this upgrade is to monitor system state for integrity (so we can trust our data) and to make it harder for cheaters to tamper with our games (so you can't blame aimbots for personal failure).
- This isn't even news. Several third party anti-cheat systems—like EasyAntiCheat, Battleye, and Xigncode3—are already utilizing a kernel driver to protect your favorite AAA games. We're just installing our own sous-chef to the Windows kitchen, so that when we hit em with a "where's the beef," we know we're getting an honest answer.
- It will be significantly harder to create undetected cheats: protecting you from aimbots, protecting us from Reddit, and protecting cheaters from themselves.
Transmission complete, but I'll be returning in approximately four megaseconds to tell you about bots in your ARAMs, a follow-up to our award-winning novella, "Removing Cheaters from League.
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If this is true...
"Several third party anti-cheat systems—like EasyAntiCheat, Battleye, and Xigncode3—are already utilizing a kernel driver to protect your favorite AAA games."
then this is a complete non issue cause the list of games that use these two clients are massive.
EasyAnticheat
BattleEye
BattleEye flatout says it on their page.
"Fully proactive kernel-based protection system and fast dynamic and permanent scanning of the player's system using specific and heuristic/generic detection routines for maximum effectiveness."
So if you've played Raibow 6 Siege, Fortnite, Ark, PuBG, Tarkov and others you already have a kernal based anticheat on your system.
This covers pretty much 90% of people PC games.
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While this is true and I stand by my stance with these too, the difference is, these anti-cheat kernel drivers run at runtime only from my knowledge so as soon as the game stops the driver is unloaded. Vanguard lies dormant at system boot, that amplifies a theoretical risk for exploitation quite alot.
business as usual at riot. Also don't forget they still have leadership that was only put on paid vacation after sexually harassing people.
Has this been posted? Article about it from ArsTechnica:
arstechnica.com
Ring 0 of fire: Does Riot Games’ new anti-cheat measure go too far?
Riot tells Ars kernel-level system could be removed if vulnerability is detected.
arstechnica.com
Main difference is that the other anti-cheat systems are only running when you're playing the related game. Vanguard is always-on even if you play just Solitaire.
There are several reports that Vanguard is causing noticeable strains on your system. So Vanguard is a) running all the time and b) can cause your other games to lag.
So no: that is not what happens with 90% of other PC games.
Has this been posted? Article about it from ArsTechnica:
Ring 0 of fire: Does Riot Games’ new anti-cheat measure go too far?
Riot tells Ars kernel-level system could be removed if vulnerability is detected.
I fucking hate the flippant attitude of Riot saying "We have no fucking interest on your files nerds, lmao"
None of which run on R0 on the same layer as the kernel itself which is why this is such a terrible fucking idea. Not to mention that it's running in the background 24/7 literally before you have keyboard input. The ends don't justify the means.
Has this been posted? Article about it from ArsTechnica:
Ring 0 of fire: Does Riot Games’ new anti-cheat measure go too far?
Riot tells Ars kernel-level system could be removed if vulnerability is detected.
This is a good explainer I think. You are basically trusting Riot not to screw up and leave the door to your computer wide open for any malicious software you accidentally install.
Has this been posted? Article about it from ArsTechnica:
Ring 0 of fire: Does Riot Games’ new anti-cheat measure go too far?
Riot tells Ars kernel-level system could be removed if vulnerability is detected.
So Fortnite players on PC are all running a Ring 0 kernel level anti-cheat driver as well?
I highly doubt there's any anti-cheat solutions on the market that run on Ring 0. Look at Riot's verbiage.
Cheaters don't give a shit about security. They'll gladly install whatever trash they find on cheat forums to be the equivalent of an annoying fly buzzing around you to troll in a video game. Just because someone pulls out a cannon doesn't mean you should pull out a nuke in response.
If you question the anti-cheat methods, the terrorists hackers win. If you have nothing to hide, what is the problem?
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Yes, but there is a bit of a difference. Easy anti cheat and Battleye only activate when you launch a game, while whatever Riot is using launches when Windows boots.
Ideally no one would do this at all, but Riot's solution is far more reliant on them not screwing up, similar to Street Fighter V's anitcheat solution that Capcom later scrapped.
Well thats unfortunate. Ive been trying to get into TFT, and was somewhat looking at this? But fuck that.
I have been PC gaming too long and have had bad experiences with this shit. Everyone always claims "its fine this time, this is different" before the shit hits the fan. Exactly no one tells you "Yeah, this is going to open an attack vector on your system that will later somehow be exploited and cost you time". No one says that ever. But it happens. So Ill pass. Maybe even stop bothering to learn TFT if I hear that they are doing this for that game too.
I have been PC gaming too long and have had bad experiences with this shit. Everyone always claims "its fine this time, this is different" before the shit hits the fan. Exactly no one tells you "Yeah, this is going to open an attack vector on your system that will later somehow be exploited and cost you time". No one says that ever. But it happens. So Ill pass. Maybe even stop bothering to learn TFT if I hear that they are doing this for that game too.
Honestly, with the kind of cheating I'm seeing in Destiny 2 on PC, I'd be full of shit if I pretended to be completely against this if it meant that online was cheater-free. It is literally killing competitive Destiny 2 PvP on the platform.
I'd rather deal with aggressive anti-cheat systems than aggressive cheaters strangling a game I enjoy slowly. If I have to choose between something like this and online games on PC dying, I'll take this 1,000%. Assuming Riot Or whomever can be trusted to do this right and be vigilant.
I'd rather deal with aggressive anti-cheat systems than aggressive cheaters strangling a game I enjoy slowly. If I have to choose between something like this and online games on PC dying, I'll take this 1,000%. Assuming Riot Or whomever can be trusted to do this right and be vigilant.
I need on/off benchmarks showing this anti-cheat affecting other games, when Valorant isn't running.
I'm more interested in that claim than any other part of this story.
I'm more interested in that claim than any other part of this story.
this is not the way to do it though. Giving riot or any developer root access is asking for trouble and shouldn't be trusted. You should be ashamed for trying to justify this when it's not acceptable.