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Baji Boxer

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I've added it and understand why it should be there, but if this thread is just going to consist of "Breitbart? Fuck this guy" without any nuanced conversation on what he is talking about, I'm probably gonna request the thread closed because it doesn't amount to any productive discussion.

for example, I'd argue he does care about racism if he breaks this story:

No one who cares about real racism works for Breitbart. Come the fuck on, it's a white supremecist propaganda site.
 

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Stop putting word in my mouth. I never said Kotaku is trash. YOU asked for another example of their trash and I provided you with a link to one. Period, end of sentence. Do not project your poorly thought out theories and logic onto me.

I never said "you said kotaku is a trash publication," i said your mindset was that sentiment, because that's what your responses are giving off.

Furhermore, I said reach out to Atlus or Nintendo for clarification.

But you didn't.

without first reaching out to Atlus or Nintendo for a clarfication.
 

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People out here defending a bigot who has ran queer people away from the gaming industry more than once, likes calling people mentally ill, is a GG and The Quartering supporter, threatens other journalists in the industry and believes in a conspiracy theory that Kotaku, Waypoint etc. are out to "cancel" people in esports so they can replace them with their friends.
Richard is bi by the way
 

Hugare

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I keep seeing this and it's just so weird to me. One article was bad, they apologized for it, and the entire publication is complete shit?

just doesn't make sense.
Nah, I would say that pretty much all articles that Ive seen from that writter were cringe worthy. But I can see it being subjective, so I'll add "imho" to it.

What is not much subjective tho, is the idea that apologizing after receiving backslash is easy. If there was no backslash, they wouldnt apologize at all.

So I wouldnt consider their apology as sincere
 

Jay_AD

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Everyone who writes for Breitbart is a nazi. Like, straight-up. You do not write for Breitbart if you are not a nazi. Even if you don't write explicit nazi shit for Breitbart. The only way to be fine with writing for a white supremacist propaganda site is to be a white supremacist. There is just no way to spin this.

But yeah, let's keep talking about how Kotaku are trash. Remember that article they once posted? TRASH!

You can really tell a lot about people by what their priorities are.
 

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If there was no backslash, they wouldnt apologize at all.

If you're not told that w/e your mindset was that allowed you to think that you could publish articles like was wrong, how the hell are you going to own up to that fuck up and apologize for it? I don't know why they published it, but clearly the person who signed off on it was looking at it in a way that didn't raise alarms. Sometimes you have to be recalibrated by being called out.

That's just a weird thing to say. Of course if you get backlash you're more inclined to apologize. It's a bunch of people saying "hey this is fucked up and weird and really really wrong!"
 

XR.

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Imagine winning an award and using that opportunity to shit on other people in the industry.

No matter what you think of this person and their views, this is a pretty pathetic behavior at display here.
 
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90% of the posts in this thread are trash.

Richard Lewis is a terrible human being but he is quite good at his job. Looking back on his past work I can see why he was nominated.

I don't know how many of you actually care about esports but the level of behind the scenes professionalism used to be really bad before certain people reported on the abuse players had to deal with. Heck Lewis exposed how the audience was being exploited by a gambling company.

I wouldn't have called the people doing the reproting back then journalists but if they are now flipping their extensive connections such that they can peddle rumors as well as shine light on important problems in the esports scene then more power to them.


Even in that clip Lewis calls out 3 specific article he felt lowered the quality of esports journalism so he wasn't naming names and leaving it only at that.

Well said. I've been in the loop with this field since well before Twitch was a thing, and that's how I know Lewis earned his credibility here over a sizeable and important body of work, in a way that the token coverage from the generalist press (which typically revolves around gossip about outlying cases of individual misconduct; so, the same kind of paltry interest you see from Era) decidedly hasn't. Lewis is abrasive to a fault, but his remarks here are quite fair.

To a certain extent, the old cultural divide between the PC and console worlds that was visible in the press back in the 1990s was never really resolved when the media coverage surrounding them merged. We're seeing the long-tail effect of this in a world where the PC/e-sports side of the industry has its own self-sufficient media ecosystem (on Reddit, Twitch, and so on) that doesn't have much use for the big magazines that somehow get so much attention here. It's not incorrect to suppose that the bulk of the coverage from the generalist press is conspicuously from the perspective of an outsider; it's painfully obvious to anyone who knows the field well and lives in it. The framework of the perpetual culture war since 2014 is a latecoming offshoot and honestly a big distraction, not helped by the efforts of other, more reactionary outsiders to exploit existing social divisions and distrust as a recruitment tool.
 

Hella

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I've added it and understand why it should be there, but if this thread is just going to consist of "Breitbart? Fuck this guy" without any nuanced conversation on what he is talking about, I'm probably gonna request the thread closed because it doesn't amount to any productive discussion.

for example, I'd argue he does care about racism if he breaks this story:

There is no nuance to be had in conspiratorial dog whistling, which is what the Lewis says in the OP.

If you want to have an enlightened discussion about ethics in games journalism (which is the essence of what he's talking about), that... well... yeah. Maybe that's not gonna happen.
 
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I've added it and understand why it should be there, but if this thread is just going to consist of "Breitbart? Fuck this guy" without any nuanced conversation on what he is talking about, I'm probably gonna request the thread closed because it doesn't amount to any productive discussion.

for example, I'd argue he does care about racism if he breaks this story:


1. Ardent supporter of GamerGate
2. Anti-refugee
3. Breitbart writer
4. Uses ableist slurs
5. Pretty blatantly right-wing
6. Anti-feminist
7. Has an extreme and demonstrated bias against left-wing websites, particularly in video games, and particularly Kotaku

I'd argue that presenting his speech here as legitimate is pretty ridiculous given that he has demonstrated that his views on Kotaku are informed by his own racism, sexism, and general bigotry.

All these people should really cop a ban or a warning.

Almost all of the people in this thread who are attacking him are attacking him for being a bigot, not for being in eSports.
 

excelsiorlef

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When you receive a award for your work in a particular area, why would you take that opportunity to shit on other people in the same industry?

No matter what you think of this person and their views, that's a pretty pathetic behavior at display here.
Because he's a Gamergater
 

adumb

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Hang on, former Breitbart? Why is this person winning anything, for anything?

Lowlives don't need additional platforms.
 

MetalKhaos

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This was the Richard Lewis I was expecting.
 

Weltall Zero

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I've added it and understand why it should be there, but if this thread is just going to consist of "Breitbart? Fuck this guy" without any nuanced conversation on what he is talking about, I'm probably gonna request the thread closed because it doesn't amount to any productive discussion.

The charitable reading here is that you didn't know about his past at Breitbart and are now trying to avoid looking either clueless or bigoted. If so, please stop; you're only going to have people assume the worst of you. Just admit you didn't know (I didn't know anything about him, either), and move on.

Of course, the other possibility is that you genuinely think the voice of a former writer for a Nazi-adjacent propaganda site needs to be heard in the context of criticising some of the few remotely progressive videogame sites. If that's the case, carry on.
 

Andalusia

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Moments like that and threads like this make me realise I take gaming waaaay less seriously than some others.
 
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I've added it and understand why it should be there, but if this thread is just going to consist of "Breitbart? Fuck this guy" without any nuanced conversation on what he is talking about, I'm probably gonna request the thread closed because it doesn't amount to any productive discussion.

for example, I'd argue he does care about racism if he breaks this story:

I'm not saying fuck this guy because he wrote at breitbart, just that it adds a lot of context, in my mind, to a vague rant. With very little context I'd just assume that his righteous anger is something that I'd be on board with — gate keeping, corporate takeovers, and racism are bad. Knowing that he wrote for breitbart means he no longer gets the benefit of the doubt from me.

that article looks good, but I don't see how it speaks very strongly to his character in a way that writing for breitbart doesn't.

Regrdless, I might agree with his stance if I knew more about the situation. But I'm just left feeling skeptical after learning that the person accepting this award was a breitbart contributor.
 
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Nah, I would say that pretty much all articles that Ive seen from that writter were cringe worthy. But I can see it being subjective, so I'll add "imho" to it.

What is not much subjective tho, is the idea that apologizing after receiving backslash is easy. If there was no backslash, they wouldnt apologize at all.

So I wouldnt consider their apology as sincere
Apologies also don't erase wrongdoing or bad decisions. PewDiePie apologized for his bad choices and nobody here is going to say that absolves him from sin (nor should they), so why does Kotaku's apologies have that power? Posting borderline child porn is a bad look in my opinion and people have a right to view Kotaku in a lower light because of it, regardless of the editorial addition to the piece. I'm not equating Kotaku to PewDiePie at all, of course. They're completely different situations. Kotaku has the responsibility to report the news and entertain their audience with quality content and for the most part they succeed. However, it is important to recognize their flaws instead of incessantly defending them because we like their content.

There are people who dislike Kotaku and other gaming websites and have no associations with GamerGate or any bigoted movements and they should be heard out without getting hounded on. We should be skeptical of those who have a vehement opposition to websites like Kotaku and refuse to elaborate why, perhaps because they would face infractions for doing so. However, disliking something can easily boil down to simple subjectivity and personal tastes. It's unfortunate to see this discussion become more hostile than it should have, but that is something inescapable on public Internet forums.
 

Andalusia

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People not taking it seriously enough are a big part of why alt-right people are able to flourish in the industry, as Richard Lewis and Boogie have.
I guess. Had no idea who Richard Lewis was until this thread and Boogie to me is just that guy I saw 1-2 skit videos of YEARS ago of him being overly angry.

I read the odd Polygon, Kotaku and Waypoint for the odd game related article here and there, have no idea about what their "beef" for e-celebs is.
 

spootime

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Did Richard Lewis write for political pieces for breitbart or was it esports/games related?
 
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I guess. Had no idea who Richard Lewis was until this thread and Boogie to me is just that guy I saw 1-2 skit videos of YEARS ago of him being overly angry.

I read the odd Polygon, Kotaku and Waypoint for the odd game related article here and there, have no idea about what their "beef" for e-celebs is.

It's nothing at all, honestly. Lewis has a history of disliking these websites as a result of his pro-GamerGate stance, so anything he has to say about them is inherently untrustworthy.

Did Richard Lewis write for political pieces for breitbart or was it esports/games related?

He wrote pro-GamerGate and anti-refugee stories.

Apologies also don't erase wrongdoing or bad decisions. PewDiePie apologized for his bad choices and nobody here is going to say that absolves him from sin (nor should they), so why does Kotaku's apologies have that power? Posting borderline child porn is a bad look in my opinion and people have a right to view Kotaku in a lower light because of it, regardless of the editorial addition to the piece. I'm not equating Kotaku to PewDiePie at all, of course. They're completely different situations. Kotaku has the responsibility to report the news and entertain their audience with quality content and for the most part they succeed. However, it is important to recognize their flaws instead of incessantly defending them because we like their content.

There are people who dislike Kotaku and other gaming websites and have no associations with GamerGate or any bigoted movements and they should be heard out without getting hounded on. We should be skeptical of those who have a vehement opposition to websites like Kotaku and refuse to elaborate why, perhaps because they would face infractions for doing so. However, disliking something can easily boil down to simple subjectivity and personal tastes. It's unfortunate to see this discussion become more hostile than it should have, but that is something inescapable on public Internet forums.

PewDiePie has numerous allegations of racism.
 

Jay_AD

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There are people who dislike Kotaku and other gaming websites and have no associations with GamerGate or any bigoted movements and they should be heard out without getting hounded on. We should be skeptical of those who have a vehement opposition to websites like Kotaku and refuse to elaborate why, perhaps because they would face infractions for doing so. However, disliking something can easily boil down to simple subjectivity and personal tastes. It's unfortunate to see this discussion become more hostile than it should have, but that is something inescapable on public Internet forums.

Making that dislike known in a thread about a Breitbart nazi employing the age-old nazi tactic of attacking the press with obvious conspiracy theories does paint quite the interesting picture though.

Sorry, but I'm not buying this.
 

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Today I learned there are entire twitter accounts dedicated to posting comments from Era.

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User edit: my bad for posting this.
 
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svacina

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Today I learned there are entire twitter accounts dedicated to posting comments from Era.
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Geoff is getting canceled too?! Will the madness never end?!

Also I would think today would be more remembered as the day you've learnt about incest ships and porn
 
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spman2099

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It seems like the shitty people always win awards at these types of events. I guess that is just further proof that there is still a lot of growing that needs to happen with this medium. We are still the home for giant pissbabies.
 

L Thammy

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what does "cancel" mean here
like, in terms of the actual actions that we want people to take

and how do they differ than what Breitbart Dick wants to happen in his callout
 

Gentlemen

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Weren't these awards chosen by fan vote?
Sort of

In 2018, the winner is decided by the community vote combined with the panel votes. The community vote is worth 25%, and the panel counts for 75%.

This creates a balanced approach to establishing rightful winners, ensuring the community are considered whilst maintaining the weighting of the expert panel giving distinction to those that deserve it.

Exclusions:
Streamer of the Year
Play of the year
Organisation of the Year

These three awards are 100% community voted.

with a 25/75 weight split this means the panel is doing most of the choosing for awards like 'journo of the year.'
 

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Today I learned there are entire twitter accounts dedicated to posting comments from Era.

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This is nothing. There are entire forums dedicated to stalking, doxxing and sending death threats to members and staff here. Twitter accounts like this are the edge of that web.
 
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mutantmagnet

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As long as you're good at your job you can get away with being an antagonistic asshole. I hate this. Stuff like this sets a bad precedent.
Hey it's better to actually assess things critically instead of not thinking through on the topic at all. Most of te trash posts simply said they knew he was from Breitbart so they don't need to know anything else about him.

I don't like Lewis but since this is about his impact on esports I'm going to make a value judgement based on his contributions there.

I'm sure you would also view companies not paying their employees assholes? What about tournament orngaizers not paying out their prize pools? Or how about tounrmanet organizers running events so poorly team managers have to juggle shit at the last minute in countries they aren't fluent in the language? What about players being kicked off teams with verbal promises not being honored? Or players getting black balled by in their home country because of arrangements only made verbally team managers didn't approve of how they left the team?

What about teams or 3rd parties gaming the system to rob people of their money through betting sites?

There are various degrees of being an asshole and hurting someone's financial security is more important than hurting someone's reputation and in most cases Lewis has had such incidents backfire on himself because most people understand he is an asshole.


All you are doing is suggesting you don't care how any thing gets fixed so people's lives are materially better.


Waypoint specifically has made some important contributions to the esports scene more than Lewis cares to admit. But if he wants to call out their mistakes as well as the mistakes of the other two it isn't unreasonable to take a minute and refelct on whether or not they have made more significant contributions in improving esports than Lewis did.
 

ColonelForbin

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He worked for breitbart, arguable a white suprematist and fat right haven. His opinion or whatever he does does not mean anything to me. I will be looking for his name from now on and ignore everything he produces.
 

mutantmagnet

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Today I learned there are entire twitter accounts dedicated to posting comments from Era.

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This is something that has been going in Neogaf. Some people take forumwarrioring too seriously.


Stardestroyer.net, Somethingawful and survivorsucks all had wars with other communities online. It's really silly.
 
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Andy Ngo is gay but still hangs out with right wing terrorists and provides them with journalist kill lists.
And Milo is gay, does that justify their actions or change anything about Mobyduck's post?
Thanks for the clarification.

So he's two bi's - bisexual and bigoted
This is some galaxy brain type shit right here.

Hold the phone, minorities can hold all the views that non-minorities can? Bigotry isn't the straight white man's superpower?
And Milo is gay. Still a trash human being.

Hi everyone, I think you guys spend a lot of time on the internet and have misread things that I've not even thought to imply.

I just wanted to provide an added part of his bio so there's a bigger context here.

Richard's a cunt.