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Nairume

SaGa Sage
Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,938
Nathan Grayson has some kind of personal vendetta against Valve and has been called out numerous times on ERA for it.
Going back through the past six months of his articles, I'm not seeing this vendetta manifest nearly as much as ERA was playing it up. For the most part, it's just reporting on things happening with Steam, genuine issues with the platform, and then having a couple of articles on the level of the porn games topping the charts one.

That you have to dig back as far as you do for some of those suggests that maybe the idea of a vendetta is over played.
 

Bloodarmz

Member
Jul 11, 2018
706
I was curious and looked at the other award winners . . . and Dr Disrespect won the award for best streamer of the year.
I guess they really liked his E3 coverage.
 

JonnyBeoulve

Banned
Dec 26, 2017
2
User Banned (Permanent): Troll account.
Much respect to Richard for saying what many of us want to be said. Mainstream media has become incredibly corrupt. I was able to see a glimpse of it from the inside working from 2009 to 2017 as an executive editor. I'm so glad I got out and changed careers. They're selling the public lies for money and power.
 

FormatCompatible

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,071
in this case, you wouldn't be wrong, as Richard Lewis also wrote things like this for his audience at Breitbart:



the person who won an eSports Award and proceeded to launch into an anti-Polygon, Kotaku, and Waypoint screed is also pro-GG, who would have thought
*standing ovation from the bathroom peeper.
Much respect to Richard for saying what many of us want to be said. Mainstream media has become incredibly corrupt. I was able to see a glimpse of it from the inside working from 2009 to 2017 as an executive editor. I'm so glad I got out and changed careers. They're selling the public lies for money and power.
Boy bye.
 

Omnistalgic

self-requested temp ban
Member
Oct 27, 2017
8,973
NJ
whats up with the Kotaku/Polygon defense? Some ppl don't like the sites? Lol...ppl are turned off for a variety of reasons this is Era, we're each our own basket case lol.
 

Skyejack

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 30, 2019
615
Much respect to Richard for saying what many of us want to be said. Mainstream media has become incredibly corrupt. I was able to see a glimpse of it from the inside working from 2009 to 2017 as an executive editor. I'm so glad I got out and changed careers. They're selling the public lies for money and power.
Wasting a burner account on a guy who is literally a Dick is fitting.
 

excelsiorlef

Bad Praxis
Member
Oct 25, 2017
73,325
Much respect to Richard for saying what many of us want to be said. Mainstream media has become incredibly corrupt. I was able to see a glimpse of it from the inside working from 2009 to 2017 as an executive editor. I'm so glad I got out and changed careers. They're selling the public lies for money and power.

LOL

He's worked for Breitbart genius
 

ChippyTurtle

Banned
Oct 13, 2018
4,773
RL's reporting is undoubtedly benefited esports, and his history of exposing stuff is well documented. Bit of a asshole, and he veers disturbingly close to GG but I don't think him being forced out from esports is good.

I like Polygon, Kotaku, and Waypoint and the people they employ.


I can no longer find that article, can you help? Also I never got the criticism of vacations being "vacations".
 

Mobyduck

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,100
Brazil
People out here defending a bigot who has ran queer people away from the gaming industry more than once, likes calling people mentally ill, is a GG and The Quartering supporter, threatens other journalists in the industry and believes in a conspiracy theory that Kotaku, Waypoint etc. are out to "cancel" people in esports so they can replace them with their friends.
 

Hella

Member
Oct 27, 2017
23,404
Isn't his contribution to Breitbart 6 months of gaming stuff? I know it isn't the best site to be picking up a cheque from each month but these "lol Breitbart" posts strike me as odd given they likely hired him to do what he's good at.

The way I see it, decent "eSports journalist", garbage human given his past offences.
Breitbart's a fucking white supremacist propaganda network, fuck off trying to normalise or downplay its brand of evil in any way.

Every single person ever staffed there is a piece of trash with no morals. AT BEST. Or a hateful bigot at worst.
 

Cactuar

Banned
Nov 30, 2018
5,878
That line is quite literally sarcasm because you called them trash for an article they apologized for and retracted.

would you like to address any of the other points or no?

You made no points. You asked for a second trash article and I gave it to you. Much like child porn (based on whats been said in this thread, I haven't seen it myself because I'm not clicking on a link with anything to do with child porn), that article accusing that woman of using a disability slur should never have been posted. Of course they fucking apologized for it, that's what happens when you falsely accuse someone of heinous acts. The fact that they apologized for it doesn't mean it never happened. More people know the accusation than the apology, and once you falsey accuse someone (whether it's what Kotaku did here, or whether it's of something more egregious in real life), you've tarnished their reputation regardless of the outcome or of the truth. So you don't get to go "They've apologized so I don't see the problem." The problem is the damn thing should have never been written without first reaching out to Atlus or Nintendo for a clarfication. They are journalists, are they not? How did they not know that? I'll tell you why, because it wasn't journalism, it was trash. You asked for another example of trash, and I gave it to you. You're welcome
 

ChippyTurtle

Banned
Oct 13, 2018
4,773
Oh I understand how big it, I just think esports and everything surrounding it is stupid as fuck

Didn't this sentiment exist (and still does for video games)? Its a silly and outdated notion that reduced video game journalism to being fluff. Which is trash, so targeting esports journalism and those who work in it as being useless is also a bad take.
 

Aurc

Member
Oct 28, 2017
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Yerffej

Prophet of Regret
Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,533
Oh I understand how big it, I just think esports and everything surrounding it is stupid as fuck
I mean if you get that, you understand the need for commentators. It's just not helpful to be judgemental at this point. If it garners interest and makes money, it belongs. And hoo boy does it make money.
 

svacina

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
4,439
Yea. I'm sure the dude who worked for Breirbart is a FANTASTIC journalist
I was answering a completely different point that being that esports are shit and anyone covering would be a joke.

The fact that this guy's an asshat has no bearing on it.

But fair enough, my sarcasm is generally hard to detect, I guess.
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
Member
Oct 25, 2017
50,022
Man, this thread feels like it's a blast from the past. A Breitbart dude telling us it's all about ethics in game journalism.

There are good reasons to criticize some of these sites, but this is probably just another case of some alt right duder demonizing more mainstream outlets in order to pull others into the conservative bubble.

Broadcasts-Your-Kid-Peeing Man is clapping for the same reason you'd expect PewDiePie or JonTron to be clapping about this; they do stuff that deserves being called out and would prefer if it was silenced than if they actually took responsibility for their actions.
 

Deleted member 18944

User requested account closure
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Oct 27, 2017
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without first reaching out to Atlus or Nintendo for a clarfication.

Kotaku literally said said:
We contacted Atlus and Nintendo for comment before publication.

My point being is that many of the arguments made here and in the past on other threads and more have this idea that if you publish some shitty pieces and later admit that you got it wrong, you're forever trash.

Kotaku isn't owed your readership, and just because they say they are sorry doesn't mean that they are owed closure. But I find it troubling that a lot of people that share your mindset have a "this publication is trash" threshold of two articles that were apologized for and retracted AND kept up, because Kotaku is right, deleting them from the internet wouldn't make sense.

It's insane to me to think that objectively they are trash when they have something like a 10 to 1 ratio of incredible articles that you don't see anywhere else about the games industry.
 

Osu 16 Bit

QA Lead at NetherRealm Studios
Verified
Oct 27, 2017
2,923
Chicago, IL
The same night Sonic Fox won an award and gave a positive speech about their struggles with mental health Richard Lewis wins an award, a guy who uses mental illness as an insult. Quite a contrast.
 

Zaheer

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,189
- eSports Awards

- Richard Lewis (an esports journalist and former journalist at Breitbart...

- Unsurpisingly you can see DrDisrespect giving him a standing ovation during the speech.

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Jay_AD

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,910
The amount of folks on here who are fine/handwavey with this guy is quite something. "But but but but the Breitbart writer is just a REALLY good esports journo" fuck outta here!

But but ah, he is calling out the DEVIL I mean Kotaku. Kotaku is bad right? SJ no I mean CORRUPT journalists! Gotta side with the Breitbart nazi here. Obviously. No way around that.
 
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Weltall Zero

Game Developer
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
19,343
Madrid
Much respect to Richard for saying what many of us want to be said. Mainstream media has become incredibly corrupt. I was able to see a glimpse of it from the inside working from 2009 to 2017 as an executive editor. I'm so glad I got out and changed careers. They're selling the public lies for money and power.

It's kind of impressive you waited two years to make this your first post. Was it worth the time it took you to type it?
 

excelsiorlef

Bad Praxis
Member
Oct 25, 2017
73,325
Man, this thread feels like it's a blast from the past. A Breitbart dude telling us it's all about ethics in game journalism.

There are good reasons to criticize some of these sites, but this is probably just another case of some alt right duder demonizing more mainstream outlets in order to pull others into the conservative bubble.

Broadcasts-Your-Kid-Peeing Man is clapping for the same reason you'd expect PewDiePie or JonTron to be clapping about this; they do stuff that deserves being called out and would prefer if it was silenced than if they actually took responsibility for their actions.
We even got someone shitting on Nathan Grayson to really make it 2014 again
 

Deleted member 11214

user requested account closure
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Oct 27, 2017
731
Valve needs to stop allowing their tournament partners to give him and Thorin a platform.

They're both talented, knowledgeable people so they shouldn't have an issue building their audience on some shithole right-wing lunatic website.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,956
RL's reporting is undoubtedly benefited esports, and his history of exposing stuff is well documented. Bit of a asshole, and he veers disturbingly close to GG but I don't think him being forced out from esports is good.

I like Polygon, Kotaku, and Waypoint and the people they employ.



I can no longer find that article, can you help? Also I never got the criticism of vacations being "vacations".

No one can "force" him out of eSports. That said, I think someone who uses his fame in eSports to push conspiracy theories is an objective good.
 

Deleted member 2254

user requested account closure
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Oct 25, 2017
21,467
He had a chance to make the eSports scene look more mature, instead took the opportunity to make it seem like they's all post-truth nuts. Good job :\
 

Jay_AD

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,910
Yes. Let's talk about how Nathan Grayson did a booboo on our gods and kings Valve in this thread about a Breitbart writer going all LYING PRESS. Yes. That is what we should do.

I really need to get off the fucking internet.
 

Weltall Zero

Game Developer
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
19,343
Madrid
What the hell? The only conspiracy I see here is the one being conjured up in your head over that OT. Are some of you so threatened by impartiality that the sight of it is an attack on your morals? You do realize people are allowed opinions other than your own, right?

"Both sides", right?
If you think an ex-Breitbart writer is in any legitimate moral position to criticise Kotaku, and don't understand the difference between concerted, constant and unapologetic alt-right hate speech, and two unsupervised shitpost articles from random contributors with subsequent editorial apologies, from a site with thousands of articles a year from dozens of contributors, I don't know what to tell you.

I love the "I was there I saw it all!" to try to justify his post.

"My uncle at Nintendo Kotaku told me..."
 

Weltall Zero

Game Developer
Banned
Oct 26, 2017
19,343
Madrid
Yes. Let's talk about how Nathan Grayson did a booboo on our gods and kings Valve in this thread about a Breitbart writer going all LYING PRESS. Yes. That is what we should do.

Corporate apologism and identification is one hell of a psychedelic drug. You only need to see how eager everyone was to brush the whole Blizzard HK fiasco under the rug.
 

Cactuar

Banned
Nov 30, 2018
5,878
My point being is that many of the arguments made here and in the past on other threads and more have this idea that if you publish some shitty pieces and later admit that you got it wrong, you're forever trash.

Kotaku isn't owed your readership, and just because they say they are sorry doesn't mean that they are owed closure. But I find it troubling that a lot of people that share your mindset have a "this publication is trash" threshold of two articles that were apologized for and retracted AND kept up, because Kotaku is right, deleting them from the internet wouldn't make sense.

It's insane to me to think that objectively they are trash when they have something like a 10 to 1 ratio of incredible articles that you don't see anywhere else about the games industry.

Stop putting word in my mouth. I never said Kotaku is trash. YOU asked for another example of their trash and I provided you with a link to one. Period, end of sentence. Do not project your poorly thought out theories and logic onto me.

Furhermore, I said reach out to Atlus or Nintendo for clarification. They posted this article without getting any such clarification. It should have been held until said clarification was recieved. This wasn't some rush against the clock for a story you didn't want to get beat on. The entire story is because the woman thought she heard a slur in a song. So, instead of getting clarification, "let's come out and use my platform of one he biggest video game publications to accuse this singer whose native language I don't even understand, and by proxy Atlus and Nintendo allowing it in their game, of making a slur againt disabled people."

What the ever loving fuck.

Of course they apologized for that nonsense - if the standards of journalism was higher it would have actually been a fireable offense - but the damage had been done. It's hard to unhear once it's put in your head.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Stop putting word in my mouth. I never said Kotaku is trash. YOU asked for another example of their trash and I provided you with a link to one. Period, end of sentence. Do not project your poorly thought out theories and logic onto me.

Furhermore, I said reach out to Atlus or Nintendo for clarification. They posted this article without getting any such clarification. It should have been held until said clarification was recieved. This wasn't some rush against the clock for a story you didn't want to get beat on. The entire story is because the woman thought she heard a slur in a song. So, instead of getting clarification, "let's come out and use my platform of one he biggest video game publications to accuse this singer whose native language I don't even understand, and by proxy Atlus and Nintendo allowing it in their game, of making a slur againt disabled people."

What the ever loving fuck.

Of course they apologized for that nonsense - if the standards of journalism was higher it would have actually been a fireable offense - but the damage had been done. It's hard to unhear once it's put in your head.

I'm just confused why you seem to be so defensive about Lewis. You dismiss the notion that his accusations were conspiratorial, for one, which is pretty weird.