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Brick remains one of my favorite "browsing through a list of movies, oh I have zero context for this but it sounds interesting" discoveries ever
wasn't even till TLJ that I realized Rian Johnson directed it, bless that man
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Rian Johnson vs. JJ Abrams
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Brick remains one of my favorite "browsing through a list of movies, oh I have zero context for this but it sounds interesting" discoveries ever
wasn't even till TLJ that I realized Rian Johnson directed it, bless that man
Neither are really directors I would pick over, say, James Gunn, and their approaches are different and can't be really compared besides the general take that Rian is more interesting while JJ is more nostalgic and safe. But this thread isn't really about them. It's about using them as fuel for more infighting between TLJ haters and TROS haters, ST haters and ST stans.
I think the problem for many like myself is how strange it is just stuck between 2 movies in a trilogy doing completely different things. I feel bad for Rian and JJ honestly being dragged in dumb internet wars, Disney mismanaged the fuck out of this entire trilogy.
He worded that all the way wrong, but both his parents are producers.
I'm not even crazy about The Last Jedi, but this is one of the most one-sided VS questions I've seen in ages.
Another thing we can agree on. It is almost like we agree on most things. But you can't handle the 1% of things we disagree on. I think the Last Jedi is shit btw
Sad to see that it took Ep IX for people to see the light.
Rian Johnson is the reason I don't regret being excited for the sequel trilogy way back then.
Rian Johnson is the reason I don't regret being excited for the sequel trilogy way back then.
Bring back George Lucas for the story. George isn't the most ideal scriptwriter though. Rian and JJ can write the scripts and direct how they want based on George's story. At least some of George's story slipped into episode 8. And some of George's original episode 6 draft ended up in 9 in the final Jedi/sith battle
Isn't Crystal Skull his story? Phantom Menace and AOTC had serious story issues too (well more centrally a lack of a story). Whatever knack he had fizzled out in the 80s I think.
George wanted to explore the biology of midichlorians in this series. And I've got a good hunch JJ will never get near the franchise again.
Win, win.
When people say the TLJ didnt deliver on the threads from the film before. What do they mean? I am legitimately confused because everyone had a completed arc and had clear signs of growth.
Just because you dont like the answers doesn't mean it didn't deliver.
Just because you dont like the answers doesn't mean it didn't deliver.
You are correct. And repeatedly explaining how that works will not help.
You will keep getting those:
TLJ ignores all threads
TLJ shits on TFA
TLJ makes no sense
Kinda threads, no matter how much you keep explaining them.
Edit: forgot to add: TLJ makes bringing back Palpy the only option!
I didn't like TLJ, but I think it was a better structured film than TRoS and had good original ideas with the exception of the slow speed chase and the execution of the space casino.
JJ just wanted to make ANH again with TFA and felt like he needed to apologize or something for TLJ (I would've preferred he just worked with it) with TRoS, so we got an alternate universe ANH and a weird fanservice clusterfuck with TRoS.
Also Knives Out is one of my favorite murder mysteries next to Clue
JJ just wanted to make ANH again with TFA and felt like he needed to apologize or something for TLJ (I would've preferred he just worked with it) with TRoS, so we got an alternate universe ANH and a weird fanservice clusterfuck with TRoS.
Also Knives Out is one of my favorite murder mysteries next to Clue
People probably mean that they weren't satisfied with what the movie gave them when they say TLJ snubbed a lot of threads from TFA. Not that TLJ doesn't acknowledge them at all. The complaint was always that TLJ preferred to subvert everyone's expectations wantonly. How true that is has been debated constantly since TLJ released. I don't personally agree with that take, especially concerning Luke, but I can see it for say, Snoke.
Lucas was an ideas guy I guess, but somewhere post 1984 he lost the plot.
Not dissing at all but I think the comparison is the same. Just like JJ Britney makes hits that the masses enjoy and are very entertaining but are also shallow, safe and not pushing the envelope.
They mean TFA was a rehash of ANH and so the expected sequels were ESB and RotJ. More rehashing, super predictable. Rian said no, and took all the plot threads in a different direction. Oh no! You can't take a rehash and turn it into something new, that's just incoherent, it has to stay a nice safe predictable comfortable junk food rehash. Don't turn my McDonald's burger into some fancy steak and salad with a bread roll. Idfk man it's a really stupid argument.
TLJ was much better than TFA and TROS, but because TLJ made Kylo and Hux look like fools, it make it more likely that a new villain would need to be introduced. Of course it's only because JJ is a hack that he brought back Palpatine, but TLJ did not leave any easy set-up for the 3rd movie.
Boom, baby. If we are limiting it to what they've done with Star Wars, I cannot agree more.
I never understood why the Force Awakens got such good reviews
Its a rehash of A New Hope that does not have an original idea of its own that isn't just "something larger from a New Hope", outside of Kylo Ren all the First Order characters are complete non-characters. It just seemed to be popular because after the prequels people demanded the next film just be like the Original Trilogy so when JJ Abrams just delivered the same film they saw as kids, they ate it up without questioning whether or not a sequel just being a rehash of the film it was a sequel to is a good thing.
JJ isn't bad, but I think Rian is far, FAR better. Especially with directing actors. Mark Hamill and Carrie Fisher's performances were so much better in TLJ than they were in TFA/TROS.
I'm considering a second viewing of TROS tomorrow because dammit, I love the ST characters and I want to see them on a big, loud screen while I still can. But the prospect also kind of depresses me, and I feel like I'll be 10x better off going to see Knives Out again...
I'm considering a second viewing of TROS tomorrow because dammit, I love the ST characters and I want to see them on a big, loud screen while I still can. But the prospect also kind of depresses me, and I feel like I'll be 10x better off going to see Knives Out again...
I know exactly how you feel. Quite a choice. The character interactions in TROS are just so damn good when they work though ugh.
They are both very talented, I don't care what people say. I think Rian probably has a better grasp of pacing and characterization but JJ has a great sense of wonder and composition. Looper, Knives Out and TLJ are great as are Stark Trek, Super 8 and TFA.
Not everything has to be a competition.
Not everything has to be a competition.
The one thing that JJ beats Rian at by far is character interactions and fanservice.
Rian beats him at everything else.
I suppose I like JJ's color palette more than Rian's too.
Rian beats him at everything else.
I suppose I like JJ's color palette more than Rian's too.
I disagree even with Snoke. Snoke was a Plot device the same way Palpatine was a Plot device for Vader. I loved that TLJ made Kylo unequivocally evil. It was bold. It was brave. It gave him agency to move passed being a cheap Vader knock off and to be something that not even Vader achieved. Being THE man. Being the King/Emperor. Having complete control and agency over his destiny.
I dunno, I feel like the only time JJ did anything truly clever with his visual storytelling was using lighting to frame the tone of Han's death in TFA. And even then, he kinda had to call attention to it.
Rian Johnson basically said "We cant just rehash the Original trilogy, we have to move on, we have to have new ideas, we have to learn from the past". JJ Abrams answer was to replace Snoke with Palpatine and reveal that Snoke was created in a jar.