I gave you an article literally written by a brown skinned Latino specifically about this but somehow that didnt matter to you. Maybe listen to what brown skinned latinos have to say about this? *shrug*
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Rian Johnson is still directing his ‘STAR WARS’ trilogy, stop believing things you read on Twitter
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I think this is a stretch and a weird one that reaches well beyond Poe's characterization. But that feels like a thread derail even in a thread that was built without rails.
You're right they didn't say 'anyone', they said 'almost fucking all of them'. They did however say they're all suspicious.
Are you really clinging to hyperbole from me to play the victim here?
I dont really want to get into anything having to do with his intent in changing his name because it's not relevant. The fact of the matter is that he ended up with a name that made him come across as white, and played roles of white characters in movies. That's where white privilege is relevant.
Alt-right Star Wars fans bullied a female cast member off social media.
That didn't happen when Age of Ultron disappointed. That didn't happen when Batman v. Superman was a trash fire.
It happened after a Star Wars movie received critical acclaim.
A large amount of the TLJ hate comes from an alt-right and/or sexist segment of people. Not all. But most. Because the amount of harassment these actors have had to deal with is unlike anything seen in the past two decades of film.
I listen to brown skinned Latinos, including my friends and family super excited to see Oscar Isaac and Diego Luna in mainstream movies. Like, that shit means a lot to lots of us.
Thanks for the laughs, especially those posts from the earlier pages.
I hope RJ's trilogy does exceptionally well.
I hope RJ's trilogy does exceptionally well.
Someone did say it earlier. The difference being "all" and "a lot", but can understand how the below would rile folks up:
No, I'm literally just repeating what you said. If you feel your words could be interpreted as vicitimizing others, well, you wrote them.
Then let me be absolutely clear that I am not trying to suggest that Oscar Isaac shouldnt be in the role of Poe.
You, someone who doesn't know me in real life, said I have white privilege because I'm light skinned even though that has never matter because no one has confused me as being a white person. The fact that I have Latino features, black hair and dark eyes clue people in to the fact that I'm not white but, nah, that doesn't matter because I'm not brown enough for you.
It's awesome that Oscar Isaac, Pedro Pascal and Diego Luna were cast because they're fellow Latinos but, again, they're just not brown enough for them to count to you.
Exactly.
This is what pisses me off so much that I just call most of the TLJ haters suspect. I'm tired of tiptoeing around their feelings.
For me personally,
TFA:
Finn - He starts off like an interesting character. A stormtrooper who had PTSD at seeing all the violence caused both by his people and losing people close to him. You think they are going to take his character into some pretty dark places and expand on this right? Wrong.
Once he "escapes" they throw that entire part of his character away and basically ignore it, doing a terrible disservice to what actual PTSD does.
Not only does he seem completely unfazed after his escape, but hours later he's literally LAUGHING while watching people that he likely grew up with and knew are getting killed by Rey/Han/Chewie. It just felt really really stupid. They could really have done something with this, making him averse to violence, and making him NOT want to see his friends die on either side, but instead they basically just ignore his entire setup and make him the "funny man" of the movie, while not really giving him much else to do aside from that.
Rey - I didn't like how she always seemed to know and was able to do everything she needed to out of the gate without fail or having to learn. It would have been a better character arc for her if she had a chance to grow throughout the film and then the second one to learn more about the force and how to use them. Instead she somehow is able to instantly use the force whenever she needs to. She is able to repel a jedi-mind trick and even turn it back onto Kylo. She can force pull/push things on top of that too. Then she was able to pilot the falcon without ever being on it (this was explained not in the movie but a book, that she had played "sims" and thus knew how to fly). All of these types of things I just felt like it was a chance for them to show her character grow over the course of the movie but instead they just magically let her do them without ever letting the audience see her learning/training to do them and thus giving her character arc more growth which I think would have helped.
TLJ:
Rey - Rey is actually pretty good in this movie for the most part I felt it was a step up.
Finn - Well Finn is in the movie and instead of Rey he basically gets Rose who just attaches herself to him without him ever getting to really know her. It felt so forced to me. He had a big moment near the end and that was about it, felt so underused.
Rose - Mainly it, again like Finn from TFA, felt like two separate writers wrote her character in the beginning and then another person wrote her character at the end without even knowing what her story was up to that point.
The movie starts off and Rose is literally stopping deserters from leaving because she doesn't want her sisters sacrifice to be in vain. She cares enough about the cause to do this.
Then she runs into Finn, and basically instantly falls in love with him (without really feeling like he feels the same for her). Then at the end when he's about to make the ultimate sacrifice to save Rey/Leia and all the people she....stops him. She literally went from stopping deserters to actually throwing EVERYONE under the bus in order to save Finn, a guy she literally just met a few hours ago. For all she knew it could have worked, and afterwards if Luke hadn't shown up she would have literally gotten everyone else killed all to save Finn (who likely would have both been killed along with her if Luke hadn't shown up).
Kylo - The moment he hesitates to attack Leia's ship, his talk about putting the past away. That moment when they tease Kylo + Rey, I wanted that to happen. Something that just subverts the expected Kylo = Villain, Rey = Hero to stop him, but they basically take both him and Rey back to the same place they are in the beginning of the movie in terms of the characters motivations and arcs, with Kylo just being the big baddie now (someone Rey has already beaten, which makes it not seem nearly as threatening as Snoke.
Poe - Talk about a clusterfuck. He cost them so much at the start of the movie, and then Leia gives him a slap on the wrist and then Holdo doesn't let him in on their plan, which in turn made no sense and felt like just bad writing to force conflict that would have been solved simply by her telling him the plan instead of constantly bickering with each other.
Then there was Rey's lineage and Snoke, both huge disappointments that are basically throwaways, she didn't have to be Luke's, but it'd have been nice if her parents were someone from the past movies or something, just that "tease" from the first movie and then it basically shits all over it with "her parents are nothing special."
Overall the movies just remind me of Jurassic World. On the surface they are slick and polished and have some nice idea's here and there, but they are just missing something.
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This is a ridiculously immature way of going about thing, but you do you.
There is a lot of that fucking trash on the internet, no doubt. But, as someone else said, Reset is a pretty liberal leaning place. So, I have to believe most people HERE that didn't like Last Jedi aren't secret sexist pieces of shit. So, what good does it do to let the garbage from those places direct the tone of the conversation here? It has just made everyone on both sides super defensive and antogonistic.
This place would be better with no Star Wars talk at this point. We can't handle it without being shit to each other. The garbage trolls won.
That is an important difference between Waddle Dee and VaporSnake's post.
Are you responsible for the title change? If so, well done.
What makes the characters he plays in films 'white'?
The names?
Because when glancing at his filmography that doesn't really seem to be the case.
The harassment the actors have gotten is probably not even the worst in franchise history. Have you forgotten what people did to Lucas? Hayden Christensen? Jake Lloyd? The SW fanbase in general is exceptionally vicious.
If you're using liberal as a synonym for left wing:
This forum is not extremely liberal...
Do you think Prince John in Robin Hood isnt white? Because I cant see this discussion being productive if you cant answer that question yourself.
This is a unique post because it was wrong at the beginning of the thread but became right at the end.
I have been here through most of the thread. What would you like me to see in particular?
Were there people in here tweeting garbage at Johnson, cause I missed that.
He also played many Latino characters and even some Middle Eastern characters. In an industry as superficial as Hollywood, being ethnically ambiguous to ignorant producers has its perks.
Look at an actor like Cliff Curtis. He's a Maori actor born with what you might call a "white name" and his skin tone helped him get roles that included white, Latino and Arabic. Calling this related to "white privilege" is too reductive, imo.
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I'm not shocked to see it was false.
I'm kind of happy to see this. He could make a great trilogy, but wow is he going to into a very head strong wind.
This does bring to light how every rumour online seems to be taken as gospel tho. Just the other day a rumour was Apple is keeping lightning jack in net phone and people acted like it came from Tim Cook himself.
I'm kind of happy to see this. He could make a great trilogy, but wow is he going to into a very head strong wind.
This does bring to light how every rumour online seems to be taken as gospel tho. Just the other day a rumour was Apple is keeping lightning jack in net phone and people acted like it came from Tim Cook himself.
What are you doing? I was giving an example of the disgusting hate that Johnson has had to deal with because of a Star Wars movie.
You response was, "Yeah but we only said it in this thread. We didn't tweet it at him."
This is absurdly disingenuous.
Actors cross ethnic barriers all the time. The question is if he's 'passing' as white to further his career by playing mostly 'white' characters, which is your entirely unfounded assertion. His filmography is filled with roles that are either clearly Latino/Hispanic in terms of character names or are characters where ethnicity is largely if not entirely irrelevant. (Sci Fi, Fantasty)
There is truly nothing to discuss here, this movie makes people go nuts
Your position in this supposed discussion is so absurd that there's nothing productive going to come out of it.
Some guy said watching TLJ was like having someone poop in your bed
Funny how only the people who disliked TLJ are now saying "nothing to discuss, time to move on"
Can't even take the L
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