Revisiting the controversy surrounding Dragon's Crown's art direction and character designs

[Platy]

Do people want inclusive erotica?

I'm not saying there shouldn't be erotic video games targeting all sorts of different demographics, I'm asking if anyone actually wants one single product that targets all of these demographics in one package.

Like, if you go buy a porn video, it'll be called something like Big Tiddy MILFs Gone Fishin' Vol. 12 or whatever, and it targets one type of audience. You don't get scenes from Big Dick Firefighter Studs Saving Cats From Trees Vol. 25 mixed in. That stuff is its own separate video.

Dragon's Crown reflected Kimitani's sexuality, and I think it's fine for that to be the extent of it. Equality in this case wouldn't be catering to more people in the same game, it would be catering to different people with different games. Because I don't think the people who are disgusted by Kimitani's sexuality really want erotic material for them included in a product where they're actively turned off by the rest of it.

And that's where sexism and double-standards come in, because we don't have an industry and culture where it's acceptable for other groups to be catered to by things so overtly sexual. Dragon's Crown can come out with a T rating, but if a game like Dream Daddy had the same level of sexualization, it would be lucky to get an M.

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Unless it is homosexual porn, you will get a man and a woman nude in your videos.
And yes, Big Tiddy MILFs Gone Fishing vol 12 will show the Big Tiddy MILF going fishing for some tasty sea serpent and it will show the big sea serpent in close up before Big Tiddy MILF has a delicious bite on it

 

[Deleted member 59339]

Unless it is homosexual porn, you will get a man and a woman nude in your videos.
And yes, Big Tiddy MILFs Gone Fishing vol 12 will show the Big Tiddy MILF going fishing for some tasty sea serpent and it will show the big sea serpent in close up before Big Tiddy MILF has a delicious bite on it

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The same content with a different gaze can be quite different.

 

[Platy]

The same content with a different gaze can be quite different.

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I know, but big sea serpent is not a ken doll like the male characters in Dragon's Crown

 

[Deleted member 59339]

I know, but big sea serpent is not a ken doll like the male characters in Dragon's Crown

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I think the main thing I'm just trying to say is that if someone is actively disgusted by this game's portrayal of women, they're still not buying that game even if the men were more sexualized. Because the women are still going to be portrayed the same way and still be all over it, and people don't want their kink surrounded by things they're disgusted by.

Now sure, there are some people who would accept the depiction of women in the game if the men were depicted differently.

But I feel like that's not very many people, and that making this specific game more inclusive is a lost cause.

 

[Grimmjow]

Ngl I played the Sorceress cause of the desgin and artwork.

Love Kamitani's art work.

 

[Servbot24]

I like the designs but I'd prefer to see more male sexuality included

 

[Wracu]

Do people want inclusive erotica?

I'm not saying there shouldn't be erotic video games targeting all sorts of different demographics, I'm asking if anyone actually wants one single product that targets all of these demographics in one package.

Like, if you go buy a porn video, it'll be called something like Big Tiddy MILFs Gone Fishin' Vol. 12 or whatever, and it targets one type of audience. You don't get scenes from Big Dick Firefighter Studs Saving Cats From Trees Vol. 25 mixed in. That stuff is its own separate video.

Dragon's Crown reflected Kimitani's sexuality, and I think it's fine for that to be the extent of it. Equality in this case wouldn't be catering to more people in the same game, it would be catering to different people with different games. Because I don't think the people who are disgusted by Kimitani's sexuality really want erotic material for them included in a product where they're actively turned off by the rest of it.

And that's where sexism and double-standards come in, because we don't have an industry and culture where it's acceptable for other groups to be catered to by things so overtly sexual. Dragon's Crown can come out with a T rating, but if a game like Dream Daddy had the same level of sexualization, it would be lucky to get an M.

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That's a different discussion. I'm just pointing out how hollow the "everything is exaggerated" defense. The implication being that everything is equally crazy, or near enough. That's just demonstrably false. And that's also assuming that defense is being put out there in an intellectually honest way. Which I kind of doubt. It's double bogus.

 

[Deleted member 59339]

That's a different discussion. I'm just pointing out how hollow the "everything is exaggerated" defense. The implication being that everything is equally crazy, or near enough. That's just demonstrably false. And that's also assuming that defense is being put out there in an intellectually honest way. Which I kind of doubt. It's double bogus.

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I agree with you about that defense, and most of the defenses/justifications.

 

[Ragnorok64]

Without this thread I would not have known about nor pre-ordered the art book I just received today. So at least there was something worthwhile to come out of it.

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Thanks.