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Reviews for Apple TV+ shows - Morning Show, See, For All Mankind, etc [Critics say: "bland", "uninspired", "a NBC show from 15 years ago"]
- Thread starter RastaMentality
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I feel like this is one area where HBO Max and Netflix might have an advantage over services like Disney+ and Apple TV+. HBO Max will have their kid friendly content (Sesame Street, Looney Tunes, Adventure Time) under the same service as their adult content (Game of Thrones, The Sopranos, Westworld). That also means they will have adult movies like A Clockwork Orange, Joker, and Goodfellas under the same service as kids films like Space Jam and The Iron Giant.
With immense size and weight throwing that around (and money) to get licensing is different then trying to create and green light original content.
Yikes, this sounds like a disaster. I didn't buy a new product this year, so no freebie. My guess is they'll start ramping up promo stuff, though, so hoping to skate in to see, at least, For All Mankind.
Man..some of these reviews...not great timing with WarnerMedia day tomorrow and Disney + launch in a couple of weeks.
Yeah, I assume Apple is going to relax its standards really soon. We already know from their iTunes Store that they do consider movies and television art as that content can do what it wants (games, on the other hand...).
Disney is fine being family friendly because they own all entertainment ever. Yeah, it would be great to see an R-Rated Star Wars (I guess?), but people will watch their shows regardless of content/quality because of the name recognition and fanaticism toward their IPs.
There's a difference between what Apple is willing to allow be sold on their stores and what they're going to fully fund.
Very interested in For All Mankind and reviews thus far indicate it's not that bad (Direct link to Variety review here: https://variety.com/2019/tv/reviews/for-all-mankind-apple-tv-plus-review-1203384012/ Reads much more positive than that person's tweet about variety's four reviews might suggest. )
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I suspect they'll have to bundle it with something people actually want but nobody is going to pay for this seperately.
See has so far 1 review on RT : https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/see/s01
For all mankind has 2 reviews on RT
The morning show has 11 reviews on RT
all the negative reviews on the morning show say the same thing, too much money spent, as if that's a negative. The positive reviews talk about Jennifer Anniston performance
For all mankind has 2 reviews on RT
The morning show has 11 reviews on RT
all the negative reviews on the morning show say the same thing, too much money spent, as if that's a negative. The positive reviews talk about Jennifer Anniston performance
Zack and Jamie? Their performance at Sony was pretty good in the grand scheme of things. And it's not like studio leads are usually very popular.
That said, it should have been a big fucking warning light when they tried to remake Notorious, a show that they'd literally just made at Sony and got canned straight away, with a stupendously extensive cast.
Put it this way, I think left to their own devices the opening lot of shows would be better than this, and it does rather smack of Tim Cook and his absolutely risible judgement on content deciding what to go forward with and ending up with a pile of bland crap.
The thing that strikes me as weird is when you launch, you can focus all your efforts on getting a few shows that are going to be great and putting them front and center. It's the longer term that's harder when you try to create more and keep up that type of quality. So it should be a bit surprising that this is the best they could come up with and you start to question their ability to find and develop quality content. Netflix gets a pass because they started out great, and on occasion still put out something that catches a lot of attention.
Woah, got anymore details of your or others experiences? Would be interested to hear since apple tv is pushing so hard to get into the streaming wars.
For Apple, they needed to have shows that were undeniably great to overcome the fact that they have no back catalog to lean on like other services.
so the fact that they couldn't even that tells me this service is done before it starts (though obviously they will keep pumping money in to try and make it work)
so the fact that they couldn't even that tells me this service is done before it starts (though obviously they will keep pumping money in to try and make it work)
No doubt because it's an acquisition, not something Apple developed.
Not that will be included in the base price.
There's going to be a lot of (existing) channels available in various countries for additional subscription fees like Amazon do in many countries. But it doesn't strike me as justifying the cost of the service.
Building an SVOD service is a go big or go home proposition, and Apple aren't going nearly big enough - they overspent on four shows, and didn't license nearly enough.
admittedly the studio was also a problem, but I was on an apple show were our two current execs were bullies and actively made the show significantly worse in ways I've never actually seen from a network exec before Zack and Jamie truly ruined it all.
I don't want to really give too many specifics, but it's sort of like a cat with a laser pointer. They want you to do something, it's dumb (sometimes, super dumb), you have two options: don't do it or do it. You do it, they want you to do something else, rinse and repeat. They also give really vague broad notes about problems so that whatever you do to address them they can rationalize as not really addressing them... it's bizarre.
Also, straight up I heard about another show they developed for over a year that was pretty good, one exec ended up passing on it, another higher than him said no wait we want it, it went through another half a year of development, and then they still passed on it.
Just an absolute mismanagement all around.
Yeah that's kinda insane. Like, you need something else, even if it's a cheap subscription.
If they're doing nothing but original with no licensing the service is going to look absolutely barren for a couple years unless their pipeline is crazy.
To add on to this: they have absolutely no vision for what their platform is going to be. Is it for Mature Dramas? Is it for Four Quadrant media? So there's no vision that's coming from the top and that filters down to general confusion for each of their projects, because they don't really understand yet how they want to brand their service.
On mine I literally got the ol' "okay, but what if the main character was a drug addict?" note... but like, she isn't, and that would completely change everything. Like... WHY?!
There's also the sense that everyone over there is powerless since ultimately approval needs to go up even higher than Zack and Jamie. It's like a bunch of chickens running around with their heads cut off.
I feel like they want to be mature, but also don't at the same time. And they're all terrified of losing their jobs, so it's just indecision city.
I disagree. Jennifer Aniston only broke Instagram because of a selfie that was a "Friends" reunion of sorts, not because she's a Beyonce like figure. Carell is a huge movie star who has box office hits. Witherspoon may not be that big but she managed to make a comeback in recent years and people still know who she is. Aniston is still pretty popular from the friends fame, but she's hardly a Scarlett Johansson.
As for Apple TV+, this looks like a disastrous start. Had no idea they spent 300 millions on this show, how the fuck did they think that was a good idea. Netflix and Amazon's first shows got great reviews and managed to win awards which definitely helped in getting people interested.
Interesting to hear that Apple was clearly not prepared for television. They are usually pretty good at quality control.
This is very spot on. I agree.
When you look at other services -- Netflix, Disney+, HBO Max, Amazon, Hulu, Peacock -- it's easy to paint a clear picture in your head of what each service is all about.
Other than being another Apple product, Apple TV+ doesn't have an actual identity (yet).
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Hahaha yeeeees.
At this point I'm also just glad to see superfluous streaming services die.