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Oct 25, 2017
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Currently 65% on RT and changing.

Critic Consensus: Vice takes scattershot aim at its targets, but writer-director Adam McKay hits some satisfying bullseyes -- and Christian Bale's transformation is a sight to behold.

Acknowledging the intense secrecy that continues to surround Cheney, those titles close with the assurance that the filmmakers have "done their f***ing best." Their fucking best turns out to be pretty good, and in the case of Bale, pretty f***ing great.
https://www.vulture.com/2018/12/vice-is-gimmicky-but-christian-bales-cheney-is-spot-on.html

Variety
"Vice..." though it pretends to reveal how power works, is ultimately content to remain on the outside, sticking its finger in the eye of power.
https://variety.com/2018/film/reviews/vice-review-christian-bale-amy-adams-dick-cheney-1203085211/

Hollywood Reporter
Through wit, surprise and an irrepressible ballsiness comes a scorching humor that neither curdles nor becomes exhausted.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/review/vice-review-1166477?utm_source=twitter

TheWrap
In an era in which the general public is organizing to confront the White House on multiple issues, this isn't the film we need right now.
https://www.thewrap.com/vice-film-review-dick-cheney-christian-bale-amy-adams/

Adam McKay's film shoves information down our throats like a Wikipedia breathing tube.
https://812filmreviews.com/2018/12/17/vice-is-as-aimless-as-america-during-the-bush-years/

Forbes
One of the worst movies of the year, one that so plays up the idea of Cheney as a chess master that it lets an entire nation off the moral hook.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottm...-adams-adam-mckay-george-w-bush/#2e415a153895
 
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Oct 27, 2017
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From the trailers it seemed like the people behind the film didn't know what direction they wanted to take it in, and the Forbes review in particular also makes me upset in the film's portrayals.

Kind of wish McKay would go back to making comedies rather than these comedy-dramas that feel awkward and barely have any comedic content in them.
 

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Oct 27, 2017
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Huh, reviews are way worse than I was expecting. I loved The Big Short and was really looking forward to this. Could've sworn some of the earliest impressions were really positive too, though I have seen some more harsher buzz on twitter lately.
 
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congrats to Regina King on her oscar.

Not sure if this movie is all in making Cheney a demon or if it lets the white house off the hook, but it sounds like a mess regardless.
 

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Now it makes sense why this film didn't debut at fests.

Shame, but I am still very excited to see it. I hope this is a case of where my opinion and the critics' differ.
 
Why on earth would they release this on Christmas?
Worked for The Big Short! A lot of adult dramas tend to open on Xmas regardless, to have programming available as that day is one of the busiest of the entire year for theaters. What is weird is that Annapurna is putting If Beale Street Could Talk into wide release the same day, but things haven't been looking good for them for a while.

Man, this is not looking good. It seems like McKay was way out of his depth as a filmmaker regarding this subject.
 

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Obviously opinions are subjective and blah blah blah... but what a bummer this is receiving decidedly mixed reviews. I adored the trailer and have been psyched about this one ever since.
 
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"Sam Rockwell's fun and charming take on George W. Bush is a blast—you know, if anyone was really eager to see Dubya completely absolved of his complicity because he was, as Vice portrays, nothing more than the clueless hoot."
This is what I was most afraid of.

Sounds like the flaws of The Big Short amplified
Many of the narrative flourishes that proved sort of clever in The Big Short, from Margot Robbie riffing on subprime mortgages in a bubble bath to Selena Gomez unpacking collateralized debt obligations in a casino, really don't work here. The most glaring example is a scene in a fancy beltway restaurant wherein Alfred Molina, playing a waiter, serves a tableful of shady political operatives a menu with options like "enhanced interrogation." It's Borowitz-level satire—embarrassing and awfully reductive. Or what about the scene where a character describes the political climate as being as precarious as dozens of porcelain teacups towered high…only to have the action then cut to a literal tower of porcelain teacups swaying to and fro.

Seems like it.
 
So was The Big Short a fluke or something?
I feel like it had the benefit of being able to successfully explain a complex ordeal in an entertaining way. One of the inherent problems with doing a film about Cheney is that everyone is well aware of him being a monster, so the details don't matter as much, and as some reviews have pointed out, it's hard to get excited about reliving one mortifying administration when we're in the midst of one again.
 

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Nov 28, 2017
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My take from the trailer was "seems off with the funny tone" and rockwells portrayl of GW Bush as a bumbler is also ran. The Forbes Review stuck out to me. Was the nation complicit or completely hornswaggled? Thats a curiosity. I'm certainly not sure about that one way or another. I was a young one at that time. Anyway, it's on the Netflix for me.
 
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I'm confused as to how a movie can get nominated for Best Picture and still be considered "bad" by reviewers. They seem to stand further and further apart .
 

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"Sam Rockwell's fun and charming take on George W. Bush is a blast—you know, if anyone was really eager to see Dubya completely absolved of his complicity because he was, as Vice portrays, nothing more than the clueless hoot."
This is what I was most afraid of.

yeah, reading through of these, McKay's characterizations of Cheney and Bush sound really aggravating. Portraying Cheney as a cartoonish supervillain mastermind pulling the strings of a know-nothing, happy-go-lucky Bush undermines just how actually awful both of these men were. That's really disappointing to hear.
 

Bear

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Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah, I was hoping this would be great, but I find McKay's take on politics so heavy handed that it's not a surprise this takes the same tone.
 

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I'm confused as to how a movie can get nominated for Best Picture and still be considered "bad" by reviewers. They seem to stand further and further apart .
the ones reviewing aren't the ones nominating. I could easily see a scenario where the nominators would think they're going to vote with what they think will be popular and jump the gun on a bandwagon that hasn't been built based off the directors last movie.
 

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I only watched The Big Short on Netflix because of Bale, and I'll do the same for Vice. Mediocre stories jazzed up with good performances.
 

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the ones reviewing aren't the ones nominating. I could easily see a scenario where the nominators would think they're going to vote with what they think will be popular and jump the gun on a bandwagon that hasn't been built based off the directors last movie.
reminds me of when the HFPA nominated Wolf of Wall Street for best picture at the Golden Globes, despite no one having actually seen it at that point, just to make sure Marty and Leo would be at the party.
 

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Nov 27, 2018
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It has been a bit since I have seen as many wildly different takes on the same hyped American film on twitter and in some of these reviews. You would think they were reviewing a modern Godard. I can't wait.
 

wenis

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I'm still going to see this despite the reviews. good christmas day movie to be slightly hungover and high for.
 

TheTyrant

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reminds me of when the HFPA nominated Wolf of Wall Street for best picture at the Golden Globes, despite no one having actually seen it at that point, just to make sure Marty and Leo would be at the party.
Wasn't that the satellite awards and not the globes? Or am I misremembering?
 

TheTyrant

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Well shit, looks like it was! Thanks for the correction. Never even heard of the Satellite Awards before :lol
It's cool, nobody really gives a shit about the satellite awards anymore. Also, the Globes are just as shady as them. We shall never forget The Tourist and the Tom Ford perfume bribery
 

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Oct 27, 2017
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I didn't expect any different from Vice after watching the trailer tbh. Maybe I'm getting my references mixed up because McKay does come from a comedy background but I feel like with the Big Short and now this he's trying to channel a Scorsese farce on American greed without ever becoming truly ugly. My concerns with the trailer turned out to be true. I'll still watch this though for Bale and Adams and Rockwell.
 

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Ah shame, I was looking forward to this too. Tough subject matter to get right, but so was the Big Short and I really enjoyed that. I'll still probably catch it when it hits a streaming platform.