Never because that should never be the result of such an action.If drawing a specific cartoon will, without fail, cause some psycho to kill one of your neighbors, then at what point does responsibility become shared?
I've condemned family members for holding racist and bigoted beliefs and in the process lost loved ones that were close to me so when I see someone say that people shouldn't expect Muslims or any community to denounce religious extremist violence, specifically a beheading, in this case, I have a difficult time understanding that mindset. And it very well may be my privilege of being a white male living in Canada and not having to deal with the terrible bigotry you've experienced in life.
I'm sorry for making you feel like that. It wasn't my intention. And I am sorry for the shit you've had to put up with from bigots.
Never because that should never be the result of such an action.
Rational people will be able to move on with their lives.
Pointing out the reality of the core of religion being a brand of irrationality has nothing to do with using it as a soapbox moment. That you think it does is pretty ghoulish to me and speaks to me more about you than anything else. Like what's the alternative? Never talk about where the motivations that drive people to these actions come from? Never discuss it? Never relate that maybe people that have been conditioned to irrationality all their live will probably more suspectible to certain behaviors?It is really "emptiness" when people in this community are muslim and their faith is being conflated illogically with the radical actions of murderers?
There are people in this thread who are muslim, christian, and jewish, and others and plenty have taken this tragedy as their soapbox to say fuck "all religions" and degrade others. The first fucking page has people saying that shit.
This place just doesn't seem safe for people of faith and im Atheist.
God thank you.
I have been pushing back but people seem to be okay with their atheism being used to justify intolerance.
In fact, it's fucking derailing when we should be mourning. The rampant islamophobia on this forum seems excused.
I feel like people use these threads to simply shout that they are better because they are atheists and fucking virtual signal their self to peace. Fuck that shit.
Literally this forum is allowing the promotion of intolerance.
You know you could use that same reasoning to ban the Islam. I think it is a nice showcase of what is wrong with the reasoning. The extremists and the ones heding them on for monetary/political gain are the issue, nobody else.If drawing a specific cartoon will, without fail, cause some psycho to kill one of your neighbors, then at what point does responsibility become shared?
So in a world where there are irrational people, how are the dead moving on with their lives?
The outcome of this mindset is that this should just reoccur in perpetuity, and too bad for the innocent people caught in the crossfire.
So in a world where there are irrational people, how are the dead moving on with their lives?
The outcome of this mindset is that this should just reoccur in perpetuity, and too bad for the innocent people caught in the crossfire.
Some of the comments on this thread make me want to hang myself again.
Bit ironic to say "Nevermind what is happening in other countries, mind your own fence." while comparing acts of terrors in the US and France and taking a shot at France's attempt at solving the problem in the same post don't you think?
Also, two wrongs don't make a right. While there definitely should be harsher criticism toward evangelical conservatism and zionist conservatism considering the harm that they bring to the world (homophobia, transphobia, racism, sexism, etc...), it doesn't mean that we should stay silent about what's happening with radical islam, and it's undeniable that there's a very significant radicalization problem amongst Muslims. Terror groups like al qaeda and isis wouldn't exist otherwise and we wouldn't be seeing horrible attacks such as these.
Dude, all these psychopaths need to do is to join Israel or US military. The in-person physical violence is just not in your backyard.
What ... what ... how... how can this be your take?If drawing a specific cartoon will, without fail, cause some psycho to kill one of your neighbors, then at what point does responsibility become shared?
If drawing a specific cartoon will, without fail, cause some psycho to kill one of your neighbors, then at what point does responsibility become shared?
Is the solution just an endless cycle of provocation in order to reaffirm your individual freedom until there are no more zealots or no more neighbors?
I mean this is literally just blatant victim blaming. What you're arguing is no different than "rapists gonna rape, so women should dress conservatively and not go to clubs or have fun".
It is not the responsibility of people to not be beheaded or raped. It's the responsibility of people to not behead or rape, and it's the responsibility of systems (eg government) to prevent people from falling into situations where extremism takes hold. Your post is disgusting.
Drawing IS basic autonomy. You learn to do it at 2 years old.That is obviously not where I was going with my post and if you're equating drawing a cartoon with women's basic autonomy, that's a little concerning.
If drawing a specific cartoon will, without fail, cause some psycho to kill one of your neighbors, then at what point does responsibility become shared?
This thread is a failure on behalf of the staff. What I'm reading in this thread is not the community I signed up for. For all the Muslim members of this community, I am so sorry that we've failed you.
Props on admitting it, it's not often that people admit that they've made a mistake :)Honestly? That's fair. I shouldn't have said that, since it undermines my point.
Fair enough, but I don't quite agree regarding the crackdowns. Crackdown shouldn't be the only solution, but it will have to be part of it. Radical imams have to be rooted out. Wahabist influence has to be cut. If you don't do that, radicalism will persist and all other efforts will be for naught.Silent isn't what anyone is asking for. Silent is what is provided to evangelical conservativism.
Communication and working with communities instead of "crackdowns" is what is being asked for. Crackdowns lead to more radicalization and more crap like this.
Never.
If wearing a short skirt at night, without fail gets you raped by some psycho, then at what point does responsibility become shared?
How is that one working out for you?
Laicite is not discimination against Muslims if thats what you refer to by discrimination. It bans all religious symbols, it doesn't target muslims specifically.But discrimination is already legal in France. Against muslims, that is.
No, this take is just dumb. it's a flat out lie and borderline victim blaming (or at least justification)
You cannot wear a cross either on School field trips. Enfirced secularism is public places is not discimination against any particular religion.Yes? They banned things like the burkini and headscarf-wearing mothers from joining school trips with their children.
I can at least understand the ban of the face veil since it could be seen as a security issue. But the above mentioned is unacceptable imo.
I mean the purpose of my post was to point out how benign the act of drawing one particular thing out of infinite other things was.
And the responses to it were to equate that freedom to the freedom to not be raped, and suggestions that the correct solution is mass surveillance of Muslims, so...
If we apply a slippery slope fallacy to my post then I guess sure, at some distant point maybe it's wrong, but that is one hell of an escalation. It was not my intention to victim blame.
The problem is you can see people with Kippas or cross and it isn't a problem. But in France when they see a woman with a veil they began to spit heinous comments.You cannot wear a cross either on School field trips. Enfirced secularism is public places is not discimination against any particular religion.
That isn't legal discrimination though. You can wear a headscarf too, just not in government/public spaces just like any other religious symbol. You refer to bigotry, which definitely exists, but isn't discrimination under the law, as was implied.The problem is you can see people with Kippas or cross and it isn't a problem. But in France when they see a woman with a veil they began to spit heinous comments.
It's hilarious that French TV spend more time talking about the veil than MUCH MORE important things.
What is happening right now in the country is very sad.
So the suggestion is to give up?So in a world where there are irrational people, how are the dead moving on with their lives?
The outcome of this mindset is that this should just reoccur in perpetuity, and too bad for the innocent people caught in the crossfire.
When talking about 'copycat' stories like this, please remember to add a source so people can see for themselves how relevant it is. Not so much a big deal here, but definitely if the case were still active to avoid any unnecessary concern. Cheers.It seems the event in Avignon was not terrorism-related, but someone with mental health issues.
In Sartrouville near Paris however, a wannabe copycat was arrested.
I think he meant this oneWhen talking about 'copycat' stories like this, please remember to add a source so people can see for themselves how relevant it is. Not so much a big deal here, but definitely if the case were still active to avoid any unnecessary concern. Cheers.
A man has been shot dead by police after threatening people with a handgun in a city in southern France.
The man was shot dead in Montfavet, a district in the city of Avignon, on Thursday, police said.
A police official told The Independent the attacker said he was from the far-right Mouvance Identitaire.
He was killed after he refused to drop his weapon and a flash-ball shot failed to stop him, a police official told The Associated Press.
No? This is a damn stupid law but this applies equally to all and any religion.Yes? They banned things like the burkini and headscarf-wearing mothers from joining school trips with their children.
I can at least understand the ban of the face veil since it could be seen as a security issue. But the above mentioned is unacceptable imo.
Yeah, you can get beheaded for disrepecting the French flag too, complete hypocrisy.
Never.
If wearing a short skirt at night, without fail gets you raped by some psycho, then at what point does responsibility become shared?
How is that one working out for you?