That would also qualify as Sony bringing a knife to a gun fight.So let's switch the weapons.
CoD, Halo and Doom stays on Xbox.
Sony, Guerrilla and Insomniac... it's time for Killzone and Resistance.
That would also qualify as Sony bringing a knife to a gun fight.So let's switch the weapons.
CoD, Halo and Doom stays on Xbox.
Sony, Guerrilla and Insomniac... it's time for Killzone and Resistance.
Unfortunately this is the MS people were worried about when they entered the console business. Like the MS of the 90s, they have enough money to buy out pretty much every developer and choke out their competition. They gave cultivating their own IPs a go, and when that didn't work out the way they were expecting, they just decided to remove choice for gamers by buying out massive multiplatform publishers.
Neither Sony or Nintendo can compete with that. Nintendo has created a niche for themselves and that's what Sony will have to do as well now.
After yesterday, I am very pessimistic about the future of console gaming.
Yeah, it's totally not because of a building trend where massive publishers are getting scooped up.
Cmon.
It seems like panic because Sony will no longer get every game going by default and will find it harder to pay to keep games from other consoles.
I have to disagree. I'm not sure that's enough. While Sony is currently the market leader, I very much doubt the PS5 will still be outselling the Xbox 2:1 in six months time. A year into this generation, it is still to play for, and I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if Sony wasn't the dominant player by the end of it.PS is still the market leader and will continue to be as long as it keeps on releasing enticing first party content.
Capitalism sucks ass.
Yep. Unabashed fanboyism. I wonder if these people ever grow up.
Yes, Microsoft have mastered this.. Just buy the whole publisher!It seems like panic because Sony will no longer get every game going by default and will find it harder to pay to keep games from other consoles.
Nintendo's games and hardware cost SIGNIFICANTLY LESS to make, and sell better at a higher price point for longer. Sony's business (make extremely expensive games that take ages to develop, sell really well week one and then capsize in price 3 months later and continue to sell via bundles and $20 discounted versions) simply isn't compatible with Nintendo's model.
The problem with this is precisely that Nintendo already made that pivot a long, long time ago and is very well established where it pivoted to. Where is Sony going to pivot to? It can't beat Nintendo at its own game, so where does that leave it?For real. Reading the comments the past few days has been so weird. Just the possibility of Sony ending up second place means they're completely doomed apparently (forgetting they're already second place, but Nintendo stopped counting when it also happened during the Wii days of course). A lot of it reads like veiled console warring and fanboys that can't deal with not winning.
Nintendo was in the exact same position in 1996 when they were massively outspent by a huge non-gaming conglomerate that arrived on the scene and bought away all the third party support. Something they could never dream to compete with. 25 years later Nintendo is still doing great. In fact, their latest console may very well become the best selling console ever. They just needed some time to rethink their value add.
Playstation is not going anywhere. The Horizon trailer just dropped, I'll always buy a console that has games like that over Calladoody 3045. So I may not belong to the largest gaming demographic, I'm sure there's going to be enough of us. I reckon Playstation will still be the largest of the two this gen, but maybe Xbox overtakes them. The worst thing that can happen is arrogant Sony will have to be humble Sony. Plus side is, Sony now has to seriously reconsider the €79 price point.
Capitalism sucks ass.
Yep. Unabashed fanboyism. I wonder if these people ever grow up.
I've seen plenty of people expressing some level of "I'm just going to find a different Hobby if Playstation gets worse"
Was just going to post the same. PS is either not harmed...or DEAD! There's seemingly no in between.For real. Reading the comments the past few days has been so weird. Just the possibility of Sony ending up second place means they're completely doomed apparently (forgetting they're already second place, but Nintendo stopped counting when it also happened during the Wii days of course). A lot of it reads like veiled console warring and fanboys that can't deal with not winning.
All this panic because the company in first place might end up slightly less in first place.
LOL This reads like bad guy MS couldn't do it the "right" way so now they had to "cheat" like they did in the 90's.Unfortunately this is the MS people were worried about when they entered the console business. Like the MS of the 90s, they have enough money to buy out pretty much every developer and choke out their competition. They gave cultivating their own IPs a go, and when that didn't work out the way they were expecting, they just decided to remove choice for gamers by buying out massive multiplatform publishers.
Neither Sony or Nintendo can compete with that. Nintendo has created a niche for themselves and that's what Sony will have to do as well now.
After yesterday, I am very pessimistic about the future of console gaming.
That's antithetical to Sony's deserved brand loyalty and the expectations they've fostered with their fans.Hence saying they would pivot into it and not that they are there right now lol. Even so, as is they have franchises that are comparable to Nintendo's in terms of raw numbers and we are already seeing this gen that Sony are trying to get to a point of having a higher average unit price by starting off $10 higher at $70 and taking longer to discount them.
In terms of budget (which we don't actually know first off) things are getting more scalable with engine advancements and other tech, no reason Sony needs to spend ridiculous amounts in comparison to Nintendo and again they can move into smaller more mid budget releases.
I hope they don't as this pissing contest is getting stupid and isn't good for the industry as a whole.
Somebody made the analogy between HBO and Netflix. Xbox has way more content, but most of it is a bit casual/trashy. I'm lapping it up because hey it's on gamepass so it doesn't cost me anything extra, but even their biggest games, Halo Infinite and Forza Horizon, I wouldn't have bought for €60. I still think Sony has the prestige content, the cinematic action game and story driven games, on lock. I have a lot of problems with the usability of the PS5 UI, but you undeniably start a premium entertainment center when you press the Playstation button. I turn on my XSX, I want to get out of that boring Windows screen as soon as possible. Sony is all about that premium experience, over Microsofts unlimited content. I think there's a lot of digital art they can explore, stuff like the Kid AmnesiA exhibition. From pure games to digital art and entertainment. Will they be the biggest like Netflix, no, but they're going to keep dominating the Game Awards and stay healthy that way.The problem with this is precisely that Nintendo already made that pivot a long, long time ago and is very well established where it pivoted to. Where is Sony going to pivot to? It can't beat Nintendo at its own game, so where does that leave it?
How are you saying I am arguing in bad faith when I am clearly acknowledging Microsoft has a real chance with their focus on content? Look at my earlier comment. You are correct that they did acknowledge they mishandled studios, but synergy between different studios and Microsoft will not happen over night - this can take years - something Microsoft is not good at - yet anyway. Look at what's happening at RARE with their current project - rebooted once or twice.Meaning it would be different if it was 2017. It's almost as if Xbox acknowledged their mistakes and made massive changes to better manage studios that you're not acknowledging because you're arguing in bad faith.
What does that mean? Are we not going to acknowledge that Xbox of old would've released Halo Infinite at the launch of Series X|S regardless of what state it was in and not give the studios a year delay to refine it?
Well we went from one dominant player getting the majority of third party sales from years and years of partnerships to now where we might have another company who may get the majority of revenue. I really don't understand why some people can't switch platforms next generation if these games are that important to them? Sony still has a healthy stable of first party, as does Nintendo.Yeah, it's totally not because of a building trend where massive publishers are getting scooped up.
Cmon.
I have to disagree. I'm not sure that's enough. While Sony is currently the market leader, I very much doubt the PS5 will still be outselling the Xbox 2:1 in six months time. A year into this generation, it is still to play for, and I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if Sony wasn't the dominant player by the end of it.
The value proposition of Game Pass is simply ridiculous. Yes, Sony's first-party output is superb, and yes, some people will not switch, no matter what, but a lot will. This is a price-sensitive market. Ultimately, people will vote with their wallets, and at the moment, the Xbox ecosystem must look very enticing to a lot of gamers.
I LOVE Resistance and Killzone and even I can admit they are no comparison. I would actually prefer if they brought back the Socom name and instead tried to carve out their own tactical shooter niche than go head to head with an arcade shooter like COD. I actually feel like a solid Socom title that was made for PS5 and PC could do VERY well but that would be quite the under taking for sure.
No one is being serious... For the love of all thing holy I hope not.Are you guys really suggesting reviving Killzone and Resistance as some kind of counter? LMAO Sony is screwed if this was their plan
Sony just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about global video games gunfight culture (I'm an expert), but honor and shame are huge parts of it. It's not like it is in other gunfights where you can become successful by bringing a knife. If you bring a knife in a global video games gunfight, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the global video games gunfight-loving public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase Sony knives for their chopping needs. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Sony has alienated an entire market with this move.
Sony, publicly apologize and bring a gun to global video games gunfight, or you can kiss your business goodbye.
I dunno. I feel like the Final Fantasy on Xbox meme would be more appropriate.
The Sony brand is finally over. Maybe next decade!
It's over, period. Sony lost their last ace, and that's the end of their PS5 hopes and dreams.
It's not hyperbole, it's not fanboy drivel. It is LITERALLY it for PS5. Sony has nothing left, nothing they have can fix the hole now created. There is no reason left for anyone, hardcore or casual, to substantially invest in a PS5. Except if they want to play Final Fantasy XVI. Which will also come to Xbox Series X at some point.
Microsoft took the last reason away that anyone would NEED to own a PS5 over an Xbox Series X (except VR LOL GAMING), and the cavalcade of tiny titles that will be nice but won't stir up any sales is not going to salvage the bloated, overdesigned behemoth that was PS5.
There may be some hardcore gamers that stick around. Some did it for Wii U too. But the last bell tolled. Maybe next decade.
The age of Sony is done.
Killzone and Resistance are for sure not gonna cut it, but SOCOM has some potential. It really captured a zeitgeist back in the days of early online console play, and it wasn't trying to emulate or be an "X-killer". It very much had (and has) it's own unique identity.No one is being serious... For the love of all thing holy I hope not.
LOL This reads like bad guy MS couldn't do it the "right" way so now they had to "cheat" like they did in the 90's.
What did Sony expected when they try to lock down every major release from Japan with exclusivity ? That xbox will wait for another slap in the face every year ? You get what you deserve I guess .
MS is not doing this to kill Sony or even hurt them. They are fighting a large future battle with Meta, Google, Apple and Amazon.It's a little cringe albeit endearing that you think Xbox is doing all of this in response to Sony snapping up major Japanese content, or in response to Sony at all to be honest.
People treating this like Microsoft was some underdog who got sick of being bullied in the playground by someone who is now getting their comeuppance need to stop lol it's absurd.
You're operating on confirmation bias and viewing things very simplistically rather than reasonably analyzing the complex and complicated nature it all is and seeing both the pros and cons. MS has allowed full creative control to their studios and Rare has made their biggest hit in Sea of Thieves and it's still going strong in its 4th year with continued support. MS has allowed a small group in Rare release Grounded in early access which has been a minor hit and to take as much time to react to feedback and refine and polish it before it's full release. This agency has allowed Rare time to tinker with Everwild and figure out what its gameplay loop will ultimately be. Now it's possible it may end up getting canceled. So be it. That happens. But you're being disingenuous when you're solely using it to frame a biased narrative that's not reflective of the overall picture.How are you saying I am arguing in bad faith when I am clearly acknowledging Microsoft has a real chance with their focus on content? Look at my earlier comment. You are correct that they did acknowledge they mishandled studios, but synergy between different studios and Microsoft will not happen over night - this can take years - something Microsoft is not good at - yet anyway. Look at what's happening at RARE with their current project - rebooted once or twice.
The same goes for Halo, it took industry wide mockery for them to delay the game, otherwise it would have released in an abysmal state last year.
I own both consoles so Ill still be able to play all these games, however, it will be interesting to see how this generation plays out.
Yeah, not so happy about this, as the massive consolidation will definitely long-term negatively impact the big(ger) budget single player story driven console games I primarily play. After all, the casual multiplayer games like COD, Fortnite, etc. definitely subsidize the platform holder's investments in producing the types of games I like. Not liking the prospects of gaming looking more like a Netflix service down the road. I have Netflix and never watch due to how poor are derivative the content has become. And they just keep pumping up the subscription price. The only reason I keep it is because my kids watch it incessantly for the kid-oriented content and even that is garbage!MS is so rich they can basically just force the gaming industry to submit by buying out everything. Fun times.
I don't think there is a player in the industry who can compete in this, so yeah, the industry is basically at MS' every whim at this point. MS has shown it is willing to just go for it with the recent acquisition.
Call of Duty, Overwatch, and Crash Bandicoot don't make up the entire library of third-party games available on the platform.The reason to play on PlayStation has been that Sony casts the widest net possible by having the most games though.
Yes they are in a competition with several American mega corporations that are far too large and dominant. They wield way way too much power and influence.MS is not doing this to kill Sony or even hurt them. They are fighting a large future battle with Meta, Google, Apple and Amazon.
When MS said a console box isn't the further, believe them. One day it will just be any box that can run a service.
I'm pretty sure MS didn't approach this deal because they were pissed off about a bunch of JP games being PS exclusive lmao.What did Sony expected when they try to lock down every major release from Japan with exclusivity ? That xbox will wait for another slap in the face every year ? You get what you deserve I guess .
Console Warriors are something else, man.Yeah, it's totally not because of a building trend where massive publishers are getting scooped up.
Cmon.
How is it harmful to the game industry? The game industry is massive and continuing to expand. If Microsoft didn't buy Bethesda and Activision, some other corporation likely would, and if they didn't Bethesda and Activision were likely headed to financial trouble filled with layoffs and dissolving of studios.Oh please, I had this exact same fear 20 years ago. No one is claiming any company is the "good guy" but let's not pretend Microsoft is the paragon of consumer choice and what's their doing isn't actively harmful to the game industry.
I mean, if I knew, I would be working for Sony rather than posting here. But some ideas are:The problem with this is precisely that Nintendo already made that pivot a long, long time ago and is very well established where it pivoted to. Where is Sony going to pivot to? It can't beat Nintendo at its own game, so where does that leave it?
MS is not doing this to kill Sony or even hurt them. They are fighting a large future battle with Meta, Google, Apple and Amazon.
When MS said a console box isn't the further, believe them. One day it will just be any box that can run a service.
just a heads-up, grounded is being made by obsidianMS has allowed a small group in Rare release Grounded in early access