Holy shit. I know this happens "often" in NK, but it's still shocking to read in the news.
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Reuters: North Korea's Kim Jong Un carrying out purge after Hanoi summit collapse: Chosun Ilbo
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Holy shit. I know this happens "often" in NK, but it's still shocking to read in the news.
That's what I'm wondering. Not that Un isn't completely nuts but there have been reports of executions before and then months later the executee is seen in public just fine. For all we know N. Korea is the one leaking the misinformation themselves.
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WTF happened to communism
its like Karl Marx had a great idea, and then everyone after him fucked it up
its like Karl Marx had a great idea, and then everyone after him fucked it up
They should be reputable. A lot of my Korean twitter feeds regularly use them as reference.
"Shin Hye Yong, the interpreter for Kim Jong Un at the Hanoi meeting, is also said to have been detained in a political prison camp, for undermining the authority of Kim Jong Un by making a critical interpretation mistake, Chosun reported."
Maybe donaldo isn't getting the right letters
Maybe donaldo isn't getting the right letters
Kim Jong Un is such a monster...the scariest part is is that i do not think he views what he does as wrong. what i mean is, he truly believes he is something akin to a god. i mean look at the pictures of him, he is smiling in photos, talking, shaking hands, etc. like if you look at putin he obviously looks like a complete, stoic jerk. but everything is so messed up and brain washed in NK that everyone believes Kim Jong Un is their god etc.
He already said that a lot of them commited treason, and deserved the death penalty. He could probably get them executed if he pushed for it.
North Korea is not communist and has not even bothered trying to claim that as a pretense for years. Its ideology is juche.
I know...but im asking, these states have origins in Marxist thought but then they fuck it up and morph into Juche or Oligarchy as in Russia's case or China's capitalist regime etc.
It's overwhelmingly likely that was his gut reaction, being impressed by Kim's ruthlessness and envious of his absolute power.
well for one, north korea isn't communist.
for another, communism and humanity are incompatible. it was never a good idea anywhere besides paper. ok well actually.. maybe it was a good idea, but not a practical one.
then what is the origin of "Tankies" why are there so many accounts of kids with the hammer and sickel calling themselves "marxists" or "marxists-leninists" and having flags of North Korea, China, USSR.
like those states are not true communism, so why support them
like those states are not true communism, so why support them
* spits coffee out* what lol
You think communism is a great idea ?
Seeing documentaries on NK, there are definite parallels to religion. The Kim family are Old Testament God in the flesh.
Turns out revolutionary vanguardism is shitty praxis that tends to produce despotic regimes.
This is an incredibly complex subject, but a lot of it comes down to historical circumstance setting the stage and internal dynamics carrying it from there.
The goal of socialism is to overcome the capitalist mode of production, with workers owning and controlling the means of production directly, and theoretically therefore being able to produce and distribute without needing to rely on a market system. Communism - a stateless society - is theorized to develop out of socialism, as socialism develops out of capitalism. However, socialism isn't something that's pre-planned out. Marx simply believed it would result from the dialectical struggle between worker and capitalist. People who tried to work out every detail of how socialism would function were considered utopian because their plans were usually pretty fanciful.
Therefore, for socialism to happen, a society must first go through capitalism, because capitalism creates the circumstances under which the dialectical worker-owner conflict emerges and brings about the mode of production that makes collectivized worker cooperation possible.
Almost none of the countries that attempted to bring about socialism even went through a fully completed capitalist phase. Most of them were still agricultural or even feudal to some degree. In Russia, the vast majority of the population were peasants, not proletarians, and the proletariat was decimated by the revolution and the civil war. With their power base depleted, the Russian Communist Party entrenched itself as the center of society, organizing and operating everything to try to rebuild from the ground up. It didn't help that the Bolsheviks viewed themselves as having a historical destiny, so anyone in their way was a counterrevolutionary to be dealt with.
Without advanced technology to figure out how to efficiently allocate resources without relying on a market system (I would argue we still haven't reached that point), the USSR, in its attempt to steamroll its way to socialism and build up its strength against capitalist invasion, went to drastic industrialization measures, requiring brute force control by the government to ensure that society cooperated. This effectively became what many socialists refer to as a form of state capitalism, with the state acting as the owner and the workers as...the workers. The government claimed it was democratically elected, and therefore that the workers were in control, but that was largely a sham.
By virtue of being the first, largest, and most powerful socialist state, the USSR managed to impose its philosophy and methods on other socialist movements worldwide, with variations growing out if it (Maoism as an adaptation of Stalinism to use the peasants as a power base, etc.). And with the Cold War, it became important for the big powers to prop up buffer states and allies for defense, leading to smaller dictatorships like North Korea. In the 80s China and some other states (like Vietnam) charted a different course and embraced market liberalization, but seeing that the USSR was torn apart when they opened up the ability to speak with dissenting voices, they decided to keep the authoritarian state apparatus. From the point of view of the Chinese ruling class, they have the best of both worlds - state and economic power. North Korea, on the other hand, pressed on with its juche autarky which required being separate from the world market.
At this point, it's just an issue of those in power not wanting to relinquish control. But it's not something inherent to socialism as a concept.
The Paris Commune lasted for a few months.
And this thread is already turning into "the EEEEVILS of communism!!!" even though they aren't a communist country
Chill, people
Chill, people
It's not fucking Marxism. NK has democratic in its name too. Do you blame democracy for that?
Marxism-Leninism has great PR. Cool aesthetics, fun memes, propaganda that makes it sound like a real underdog story, etc.
If you start off liberal with an understanding that the US is an evil empire and that everything you were taught in school is wrong, it's not too difficult to get sucked down a path to "Uphold Juche Ideology to prevent Amerikkkan Imperialism in Asia" and "the Kulaks deserved it".
but most tend to be white, western kids which makes it all more bizarre
Maybe there has never been a true communist state because in reality the execution of such a thing is near-impossible without mass-slaughter and unimaginable fascism to reach that end--goal of 'equality'
Yeah it's a scene
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Its certainly a better idea than say, defending women harasser Joe Biden to the point of catching a ban.
Because they fell for anti western propaganda by the USSR and China, that communism can't be achieved because of American imperialism and the capitalists prevent them from doing it. Like, I get it, America isn't great, terrible even, but it's not worse than the USSR and China, and more over communism would never be achieved even if the US stopped interfering with the world. These states aren't considered by some as even socialists by its very basic definition, they're a heavily government controlled mixed market with authoritarianism, closer to fascism than anything.
Yeah, also this, a good chunk of them don't even like or know what communism is, they're just being rebellious rich white kids who wanna fight the man.
One of the most simultaneously funny and frightening things about western culture is the belief that they are immune to propaganda.
You've been convinced of the failings of these systems because they were taught and portrayed by a biased western lens. To put things in perspective, the capitalist American approach to healthcare, for example, has amassed a body count in the last decade that is comparable to the body count that the USSR accumulated in several decades. Just because the violence is systemic, legal, and out of direct view, don't think it isn't happening.
Don't take me to be some USSR apologist as they did a lot of heinous shit, too. Just don't go thinking that your capitalist systems are all fine and dandy. They're falling to pieces, have killed millions over the past century, and have brought about inevitable climate catastrophes we may never recover from.
You've been convinced of the failings of these systems because they were taught and portrayed by a biased western lens. To put things in perspective, the capitalist American approach to healthcare, for example, has amassed a body count in the last decade that is comparable to the body count that the USSR accumulated in several decades. Just because the violence is systemic, legal, and out of direct view, don't think it isn't happening.
Don't take me to be some USSR apologist as they did a lot of heinous shit, too. Just don't go thinking that your capitalist systems are all fine and dandy. They're falling to pieces, have killed millions over the past century, and have brought about inevitable climate catastrophes we may never recover from.
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yeah, it's freaky. any documentaries you can recommend that are on netlix or somewhere legally free?
It's the kind of lack of self awareness being born into privilege gets you and guess what white western kids have in spades?
One might consider the constant to be the issue instead of the variables if the results of the experiment keep outputting the same results.
Piece of shit! Horrible and disgusting.
Thinking of, Trump must have met some of the victims too during the summits. Not that it would phase him, but he needs to learn not to be pals with dictators.
Thinking of, Trump must have met some of the victims too during the summits. Not that it would phase him, but he needs to learn not to be pals with dictators.
Is Trump even acknowledging that there were ever any talks? Or has he gone back to claiming that they were always enemies, and only Democrats thought peace talks would ever be possible, like those stupid, failed peace talks that President Hillary had with Kim Jong Un?
I saw a National Geographic one that was hosted by Lisa Ling and another off Netflix whose name I don't recall (I think it was about defectors). Also there are YouTube clips of Kim Jong Il's 1994 funeral, the mourning on display is ridiculous and was surely exaggerated for the cameras out of fear.
Trump is probably watching the news and going "why can't I do this"
I say watching because we all know he doesn't read the daily briefings
I say watching because we all know he doesn't read the daily briefings