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Resident Evil 4 needs to be remade more than all other RE games
- Thread starter Gunslinger
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No it bloody doesn't! RE4 is perfect, it doesn't need jack shit changed. At the most pretty up the visuals. And even then it still looks fine a full remake is a waste of time and resources.
RE4 is a game in a different category. A special category. It's too good to be remade.
The controls are perfect and the game design is balanced perfectly around them.
RE4 will lose a lot of content if its remade. It's one of the most ambitious SD games ever made. The budget for a remake that retains all of its content would be astronomical.
I see a lot of people saying the same thing but .. yah no, it's aged very well. I feel like I can pick it up and it feels better than even some modern games.
I just started playing it for the first time kinda (I remember I picked up the controller once or twice back in the day when a friend bought it, but I never played it in my own) a few weeks ago.
and no, I don't agree. I actively enjoy the way it controls. The stop and pop nature of it, along with the slow aiming speeds that seem to just barely be fast enough for the situations the game puts you in, along with the buttons you need to press to aim, run, quick turn, etc. (it's fun to push buttons, y'all) makes it highly engaging. I enjoy the atmosphere and survival horror nature of Re2Remake, but the act of fighting/shooting zombies is much more fun in RE4.
and no, I don't agree. I actively enjoy the way it controls. The stop and pop nature of it, along with the slow aiming speeds that seem to just barely be fast enough for the situations the game puts you in, along with the buttons you need to press to aim, run, quick turn, etc. (it's fun to push buttons, y'all) makes it highly engaging. I enjoy the atmosphere and survival horror nature of Re2Remake, but the act of fighting/shooting zombies is much more fun in RE4.
I've played re0 and re4 the past week, this is false. Re0 needs one a lot more between the two.
I feel like there's a firm distinction between a game having "bad controls" and having non-standard design choices. The controls are certainly responsive and such. The game not letting you move and shoot is not a controls issue, it's a design matter, whether you like or dislike it.
I'm fine with RE4 Remake + with all the modern gameplay.
Already enough with PS3 version & 100% Trophies; never interested in future ports for new platforms as well.
Give me a remake with new things in it, not just RE Engine graphics; no matter how gorgeous it is, I wont buy it.
Already enough with PS3 version & 100% Trophies; never interested in future ports for new platforms as well.
Give me a remake with new things in it, not just RE Engine graphics; no matter how gorgeous it is, I wont buy it.
This. The absolute most RE4 needs is a Shadow of the Colossus style remake where just the visuals are upgraded.
I played through RE4 for the first time last year and absolutely loved how it controls. The movement may be robotic, but overall the controls do a better job emulating the feel of handling a gun than any modern shooter. It's such a rare treat when a game makes the act of aiming more interesting and involved than the standard point&click formula. There's a tactile feel to it that you just don't get in modern games outside VR.
Controls took me like 20 minutes to get used to again after playing a bunch of RE2, after that it was smooth sailing. The games combat encounters, art design and pacing are still ace.
It works perfectly fine and does not need a remake in the slightest. I played it again soon after playing RE2make and RE4 arguably controlled better. What's the point of remaking something when it's inevitable it will only be worse than the original?
People here knows what's up, RE4 is perfect and doesn't need to be remade.
The ONLY reason why people say the gameplay is bad is because they assume it's supposed to play like other third person shooters.
They never took the time to understand its gameplay and just assumes it controls very awkwardly as a ''TPS''
For example, you're not allowed to backup and shoot at the same time. This mean you either have to lower the gun and back up, or you stand still and hold your ground, or you turn around and then run away to reposition yourself. The game is designed and balanced that way.
It's like saying Bloodborne gameplay is bad because it doesn't let you cancel your attacks like DMC, you're judging with preconceived ideas.
The ONLY reason why people say the gameplay is bad is because they assume it's supposed to play like other third person shooters.
They never took the time to understand its gameplay and just assumes it controls very awkwardly as a ''TPS''
For example, you're not allowed to backup and shoot at the same time. This mean you either have to lower the gun and back up, or you stand still and hold your ground, or you turn around and then run away to reposition yourself. The game is designed and balanced that way.
It's like saying Bloodborne gameplay is bad because it doesn't let you cancel your attacks like DMC, you're judging with preconceived ideas.
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Not saying it needs to be remade or not but I 100% agree with OP when they say it's controls have aged the worse of the older RE. Totally spot on. The zoomed in camera, over the shoulder perspective just doesn't work with tank controls and needing to stop to shoot. RE had it right when it combined fixed camera angles with tank controls.
I recently played it for the first time and for the first 2 hours or so I would've heavily agreed with you, but then it clicked with me I was kicking ass and it felt pretty good. Not great but it didn't get in the way of how awesome the game is.
I think the controls are fine, but I do want to see how it'll look like in the RE Engine. I also want RE6 to be remade and have the three primary campaigns to be combined as one and streamlined + the gameplay of RE4 instead.
PC ports to foster game preservation > remakes
Re 1 through Code veronica need this ASAP. RE4 is still a great game and the PC modding community has been working on the remastering with glorious results. No need for a remake. Well, TBH RE2 and 3 did not need a remake either. Perfectly playable games to this day. If anything RE2Make is a vastly inferior experience when compared to the original.
Re 1 through Code veronica need this ASAP. RE4 is still a great game and the PC modding community has been working on the remastering with glorious results. No need for a remake. Well, TBH RE2 and 3 did not need a remake either. Perfectly playable games to this day. If anything RE2Make is a vastly inferior experience when compared to the original.
Exactly. Even the Wii's pointer controls completely broke the games balance.
Perfect post. RE4 was designed with its control scheme in mind, just as RE1-3 were with their tank controls. They all play just as well as they did back when they came out, the existence of modern games with simpler control schemes doesn't change that. It's nothing you can't adapt to with a mild amount of effort.
People who think they can ''improve'' the gameplay of RE4 are the same kind of people who think they can direct a good Ghostbuster movie because they see a lot of ''flaws in the original.
Except they are not talented at all and have no idea what they're doing.
''RE4 would be a much better game with RE2 Remake gunplay'' is the dumbest shit I've seen when it comes to game design.
Does allowing player to move while reloading serve ANY PURPOSE to the gameplay? and you're slowing them down anyway so what is the point?
If anything locking position during reload makes player less likely to spam reload all the time, which is a big issue in modern shooters.
*shoots 1 bullet out of a 30 round magazine*
*reloads immediately*
RE4 is the only game where I think about my situation before I reload, why? Because I am vulnerable while doing so!
The problem with modern game design is that no one actually thinks about ''why?'', they toss in a bunch of ''QOL'' stuff that really does not improve the gameplay at all.
''We should allow players to move while reloading!''
''Why?''
''Umm....because it's common in other games?''
''Well oK...does it serve the gameplay in any meaningful way?''
''Not really, I just think it's cool that's all''
Except they are not talented at all and have no idea what they're doing.
''RE4 would be a much better game with RE2 Remake gunplay'' is the dumbest shit I've seen when it comes to game design.
Does allowing player to move while reloading serve ANY PURPOSE to the gameplay? and you're slowing them down anyway so what is the point?
If anything locking position during reload makes player less likely to spam reload all the time, which is a big issue in modern shooters.
*shoots 1 bullet out of a 30 round magazine*
*reloads immediately*
RE4 is the only game where I think about my situation before I reload, why? Because I am vulnerable while doing so!
The problem with modern game design is that no one actually thinks about ''why?'', they toss in a bunch of ''QOL'' stuff that really does not improve the gameplay at all.
''We should allow players to move while reloading!''
''Why?''
''Umm....because it's common in other games?''
''Well oK...does it serve the gameplay in any meaningful way?''
''Not really, I just think it's cool that's all''
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Yeah, I just played RE4 again through game pass and while clunky, it still is great.
Code Veronica should be the next one up for a full remake, I tried to restart that and I didn't even have the patience to get past the first stage. The controls are so bad.
This reads like the game was made last year. For fucks sake its 15 years old now. It controls exactly as the old ones did only the camera is now locked behind you allowing for precise aiming.
CV definitely needs the remake, and especially better voice acting. There are a lot of things I like about CV, but yeah, it has not aged well and needs the remake way more than 4.
Re4 had tank controls now? Lol. I just replayed the game for the first time since the gamecube days and it was tough to get into for a sec but then proved to be as addictive as ever.
Resident Evil 4 at worst has controls that take a bit getting used to, but then the game is perfectly designed around those controls and the game design in RE4 is impeccable and really aged nicely.
Put me squarely in the "Code Veronica is the mainline Resident Evil game most in-need of a remake" camp.
Code Veronica has some excellent art direction, setting, music, and hell even the characters and monsters are a bit fun.
But the game has so many problems, flaws, game design sins, actually game breaking bugs and simply has aged terribly in the visual and mechanic way... It has a lot of promise, and I think a remake would help it more than any other RE game.
Put me squarely in the "Code Veronica is the mainline Resident Evil game most in-need of a remake" camp.
Code Veronica has some excellent art direction, setting, music, and hell even the characters and monsters are a bit fun.
But the game has so many problems, flaws, game design sins, actually game breaking bugs and simply has aged terribly in the visual and mechanic way... It has a lot of promise, and I think a remake would help it more than any other RE game.
Not awful, it will just be too easy as all the enemies movement/attack were design around tank control.
Obviously if they remake this game they will have to change all the characters dynamic. I don't think anyone expect 1:1 copy of original RE4 with just control schema change.
Agree with Dusk. Code Veronica is more of a broken game than RE4. I don't want anymore remake, but if Capcom ever do one , code veronica should be first. I really love the atmosphere, characters and even story, but the game itself is not very fun to play.
And remember kneecap, headshot/kneecap knife/kneecap karate kick (which upgrades to suplex on its own kinda randomly) are your bread and butter. Flash bangs kill worm heads, and use a guide for the combining treasure so you can max out all upgrades. Red9 with stock is what's happening, tmp and grenade launcher are shit, don't buy them. and blacktail has higher rate of fire. Don't buy the second magnum, you can get the magnum for free after you rescue Ashley in the castle, the broken butterfly is fucking stupid good, your knife is better than your gun against krauser
This game has it all, suplexes, napoleon, robots, knifes, Skype, Chinese people, Spaniards speaking Mexican Spanish, worms, liquid nitrogen, dungeons, lasers, medical lasers, boulders, the loch Ness monster, trebuchets, construction equipment, elevators, minecarts, and hey its that dog
It will convince you that whatever porno they pulled the whole voice cast out of was better off not getting made
Absolutely agree, RE4 is nigh unplayable for me. I tried it after RE2 Remake, and you cant even strafe! The reasons why made sense when RE4 released but doesnt any more, RE2 proved you can still create that tension with strafing.
Also, the shooting is terrible. Its in dire need of an update.
Also, the shooting is terrible. Its in dire need of an update.
Just because you enjoy it the most, doesn't mean that it needs a remake first over the other games. RE3 and CV/X need it far more atm.
CV is the next in line. That game has the potentional to be the best RE ever if it gets RE2/3 remake treatment. After that tho if Capcom decides to remake RE4, they should be allowed. Original won't just disappear and Capcom did enough in the last few years to earn every RE fan's trust with RE7, RE2 and RE3.
I'll take RE8 after they remade RE3. Still replaying RE4 once or twice per year and don't have any issues with controls.
Main thing is it would let you reload but still have some change of dodging projectiles, and perhaps would feel more natural to people not expecting to have to stand still when reloading.
But yeah I don't think it would be a meaningful improvement or anything, it just wouldn't really harm it either.
I would only want a change like that to be optional, too.
Not as much as Code Veronica it doesn't.
But it'll get remade eventually. I am looking forward to it.
But it'll get remade eventually. I am looking forward to it.
Oof, this is sacrilege to me. If there is any game I never want to be remade, it's Resident Evil 4. The game is a nearly flawless execution of game design. I do not have confidence it can be improved in any way. Any attempt to revise or Revisit RE4 would be to its detriment, IMO.
I love remakes. But some games are perfect as they are and should be remastered indefinitely, not remade. Give it new textures or lighting or models or whatever. But if you touch that game on a design level even a little bit and you've already ruined it. There is no other game I feel this way about. I think Resident Evil Remakes are always excellent and massively improve upon the originals. But don't touch RE4. You will have to kill me first.
I love remakes. But some games are perfect as they are and should be remastered indefinitely, not remade. Give it new textures or lighting or models or whatever. But if you touch that game on a design level even a little bit and you've already ruined it. There is no other game I feel this way about. I think Resident Evil Remakes are always excellent and massively improve upon the originals. But don't touch RE4. You will have to kill me first.
