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ResetEra Ownership Update
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The length of time does not matter. We will be accused of shutting down discussion regardless.
My favorite one was when someone tried to argue the word "update" was obfuscating the sale because update could have technically referred to different kinds of changes, and apparently it's the mods fault for miswording it in order to get less eyeballs on it. Lol.
It's one of the dozens of ways it's clear they really are making this shit up. We'll probably have a new one by the next page, within the next 3 pages at least. Wanna take bets on whats gonna be next? We already someone making ties to the swedish mafia and pontential insider trading. If this were a more religious board, I'd say the next one might be the mods making blood sacrifices to satan, but we're largley atheist/agnostic. Oh, I know, how about the Mods selling deleted members accounts for a profit to alt-right figures? Yeah, they reactivate them, and let them wear the digital corpse of members who left on a moral highground in order to mock them. That's plenty dramatic and evil.
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The user you quoted has already been banned for lashing out at other users so I'm not sure what that would accomplish. The mods are stuck between a rock and a hard place and locking the thread would only exacerbate the issues.
Did that one guy (Seik? Sorry, I can't find his name) ever get his thread making prevliges back? Honestly he shouldn't have gotten them taken away in the first place and his thread shouldn't have gotten closed. From what I see there are absolutely no rules that state you can't post about this in other parts of the forum. That's abusing mod powers unless I'm missing something.
What the fuck, is this real?????
Mods... you have some explaining to do.... it only takes me 12 microseconds to unsheathe this high-quality authentic katana I got from Japanese Amazon so you better make it quick...
Pinned threads almost always have the exact opposite effect that users think they do. Time and time again when staff has pinned a thread for whatever the given reason is the thread participation in said threads almost always universally drops. Many users have also said numerous times in the past that they automatically always ignore pinned threads and skip right past them.
My Resetera Thread of The Month contest threads from early this year would know too 😢
I like pinned threads, as staff I always enjoyed the feature too, but sadly in most cases it only harms and doesn't help to bring any more awareness to a particular cause or issue, usually just the opposite.
I think "meta" threads and discussions about the site aren't allowed. That's why they have the threads that comprise the Announcements section.
Are you talking about the thread that had a massive OP summing up what's taken place in this thread? Cause I thought that was really helpful, this thread is way too fast and tense.
Interestingly anecdotally my horror thread seemed to get more traction in voting after being pinned. I assumed it was because of that, I guess you could argue It was because voting time was getting shorter but I'm not sure. I appreciated it being pinned regardless.
Pinned threads also don't show up for people like me who only goes to my watched list and latest threads list. If I didn't care to interact with a thread the first time I see it after it's created (whether right away or hours/day later) then it might as well not exist for me. Latest threads is also how I know people don't know how to use the site's search function properly. Search by title should be the default because that's the most useful. I think duplicate threads are the only things I usually report.
You won't be able to dismiss those until you've watched a 15 second pop up ad for Blizzard's games.
Then you can type…oh wait…another ad!
God damn, just giving away the valuable ideas for free.
Yup, this a real phenomenon. We always called it "sticky blindness". Happens to me all the time. With the same threads always in the same place it becomes visual noise you're conditioned to skim past and then it's really easy to miss when something new gets pinned.
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I absolutely love when pin threads work, made me very happy as a staff member to pin a thread and see the thread get a lot more love and support then it had from before it was pinned. It's small things like that that make you proud and happy to help a community on era as staff. Just unfortunately, your thread and others like it are the rare exceptions. The majority of threads that get pinned effectively are sent to die.
Are you being facetious or is this for real? It's been 6 days. Save for the OP returning, everything that needs to be said has been said.
That was a rough ride with a tag storm in it.
Few thoughts from insignificant me.
I wish the owner good luck and enjoy the money as he sees fit. He didn't do anything wrong (at least there is no evidence or testimony to it) so for me he is in the clear. The people that worked for/with him confirm he is a good guy and we do want good things to happen to good people, don't we?
I do not know what is in store for resetera from the new owners so i ll wait and see but it is positive that it is an EU company subject to EU laws so i worry less about leaks of my personal data. Truth is that the other forum sites they own have an, at least, problematic culture.
After all these years, mostly lurking here, there and at the old place i understand that moderating is a hard and thankless service. We are people and as such we do make mistakes, we get sentimental, we sometimes act without thinking, we think that we can't be wrong and we fail. Maybe, and i speak mostly for myself but please hear me out, we need to think better before we post, weight the situation, use objectivity and common sense and sometimes forgive. When the members don't they get banned or kicked, when the moderators fail, they lose members or communities.
We need to be better. We have to be fucking nicer to each other.
Whether do this here or in some other place, we have to not act like dicks to people.
And we have to own our mistakes, understand them and try not to repeat them again.
As far as the argument about moderation compensation, if the mods want to get paid or not it is their business and their business only, and noone else.
There's definitely no easy way to handle it just due to how everyone browses differently and looks at different things. I said it earlier in the thread, but it's pretty unlikely that I'd see either the announcements at the top of the page or pinned threads. So pretty much the only thing that would make sure I see it is outright auto-watching and I don't think literally anyone else would enjoy that, hah.
And that should be fine. Literally, it's no problem at all, if you're not interested in the ongoings of major Resetera events, you don't have to be. But it's simply insane for users to get all huffy puffy about not being informed and then in the same breathe they openly admit they close big banner notifications without even reading them.
Either you want to know whats going on, or you don't. If you do, this thread is hard to miss.
Finally someone who knows what they are talking about.
I would also add that they offer a route for companies to advertise to a presorted, engaged, "real" user base. We're going to see site takeovers/themes, sponsored OTs when new games come out, embedded ads on topics, cross network promotions, paid accounts that have access to special features, etc.
All you have to do is read what MOBA themselves said:
"ResetEra.com has great growth potential, and we see significant opportunities to develop ResetEra.com, continue to grow traffic flows, improve the sales development and extract synergies within the M.O.B.A. Group."
"ResetEra.com is another step in our strategy to grow through acquisitions and create more relevant communities with attractive, growing target groups that many companies want to expose themselves to," said Björn Mannerqvist.
"ResetEra.com's revenue is generated through ads and member subscriptions. M.O.B.A. Network sees significant opportunities to increase advertising revenue through a higher share of direct sales, implementation of new ad formats, and a long-term product development strategy. M.O.B.A. Network, therefore, estimates that ResetEra.com can grow sales significantly in 2022,"
Oh yeah, still though, really harsh. And yeah, I'm talking about that one.
Well that sucks... but I don't blame him. Put all that work and then bam. I'd probably do that too.
Yeah it's a shame that it caused them to leave, and it's a situation that's reminiscent of what happened with the MC thread, too. A lot of reactionary actions and departures amidst some hurt feelings and frustrations, though it's obviously much more nuanced and complex than that. And while I appreciated that summary thread, letting it stay open would've set a precedent.
Your question has already been answered but I'm gonna chime in and say that losing threadmaking privileges really, really isn't a big deal. It's a temporary measure used for various reasons and it's closer to a warning than an actual ban.
It just should've been explained to them right away instead of not doing so for hours.
I don't have anything serious to add to the conversation, but I wanted to say Cerium's new name tag of "The Former" is a piece of genius, brilliant stuff.
On-topic, I think we could all do with a little bit more of good faith. This is true for the mods, which could always err a little more on the side of treating users as misguided or rude but fundamentally well-meaning. But from reading through the last few pages of this thread it's even truer for us regular users - if the mods have said that they are happy with the current situation and that things aren't going to change, there's no reason not to extend them the benefit of the doubt on this subject. And there's certainly no reason to be discourteous to them. It's better for everyone if we can get to a point where we are all at peace so we can listen to each other. Mods should listen to user complaints, but users should listen to what mods say too, and take it to heart.
On-topic, I think we could all do with a little bit more of good faith. This is true for the mods, which could always err a little more on the side of treating users as misguided or rude but fundamentally well-meaning. But from reading through the last few pages of this thread it's even truer for us regular users - if the mods have said that they are happy with the current situation and that things aren't going to change, there's no reason not to extend them the benefit of the doubt on this subject. And there's certainly no reason to be discourteous to them. It's better for everyone if we can get to a point where we are all at peace so we can listen to each other. Mods should listen to user complaints, but users should listen to what mods say too, and take it to heart.
Seems like it was a big deal to him seeing as it made him delete his account.
Well, as aforementioned, communication definitely could've been better, as Seiko discovered he was juniored on his own.
On the other hand. Pretty big overreaction.
Online just means right now, at this very moment, that many are online on the site. That doesn't mean there aren't 50k+ registered accounts that log in at different times
What are the advantages of being owned by MOBA?
I'm not well versed in these kinds of things, the only think I can think of that's kinda close was when Giantbomb was purchased and it basically ran the same till recently.
I'm not well versed in these kinds of things, the only think I can think of that's kinda close was when Giantbomb was purchased and it basically ran the same till recently.
More transparency maybe? We will have to wait and see because that's not a guarantee obviously.
"It's only a one-day ban."
Nothing happens in a vacuum. It's not about the severity. It's about a culture of punishments-as-warnings, together with a lack of or poor communication amidst what can certainly be seen as fluid, unclear, or inconsistent criteria.
The mods are between a rock and a hard place, and I really do sympathize. I've seen plenty of "why is <harmful rhetoric> being allowed here? and no action from mods as usual, guess Era doesn't give a shit about <minority group> after all" when it'd only been 10-15 minutes since the offending post. A lot of folks absolutely choose to forget the mods are people with real lives and schedules doing the best they can, and that royally sucks.
All that said, the current state of things has lead to, and will continue to lead to, valuable contributing members leaving. Being dismissive or judgmental about their decisions regarding sticking around is not constructive or helpful.
I don't know what else to add given you summarized it in your post. The choice is between action and criticism, or no action and criticism. Threadbans and junioring are a midway step between a warning and a ban, and I can't really sympathize with anyone given a light punishment (within the relative scale of possible mod actions) who then flips out. It's like being given a ticket instead of arrested, and then emigrating from the country out of outrage.
Honestly, I don't know why it comes as such a shock to the mods that Cerium sold you all down the river. He could barely stand logging in as it is.
Okay, this makes sense. Resetera was a business in the end and if the folk(s) in charge of the fundamental aspects of it do not want to be in charge anymore, you need to find someone else to run it. And as a business exchange, assets are traded. The volunteers understand they were volunteers and if someone feels like they're suddenly entitled to compensation. That is, well, entitlement.
It's really odd to see what problems are being brought up and from where. The anxiety about the potential impacts of a new owner? Sure. But the financial compensation part is weird. Do people feel deprived of something because a moderator didn't get something they didn't ask for and continue to not want? Weird behavior, almost as if their concern is disingenuous. 🤔
Anyways Cerium, thanks for the time and work you put in the place. I hope you find success in whatever you do next. Thanks to the moderators and ex-moderators who've worked to make the community what it is, and I'm happy that the whole team is supportive in the sale and moving forward together. And I hope Nepenthe finds a lucky penny or something due to that awful poop fur comment (also that one report, what the fuck is wrong with some people. so two lucky pennies.)
It's really odd to see what problems are being brought up and from where. The anxiety about the potential impacts of a new owner? Sure. But the financial compensation part is weird. Do people feel deprived of something because a moderator didn't get something they didn't ask for and continue to not want? Weird behavior, almost as if their concern is disingenuous. 🤔
Anyways Cerium, thanks for the time and work you put in the place. I hope you find success in whatever you do next. Thanks to the moderators and ex-moderators who've worked to make the community what it is, and I'm happy that the whole team is supportive in the sale and moving forward together. And I hope Nepenthe finds a lucky penny or something due to that awful poop fur comment (also that one report, what the fuck is wrong with some people. so two lucky pennies.)
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User Banned (Permanent): Troll Account
Nawwwwww...............
It's a cult filled with people whom never seen beyond what the TV or social media tells them, and thinks it's the truth. Journalism, balance checking, and freedom of thought and speech is dead.
Can you say propaganda? Good!
If y'all actually saw the real world then **POOF**.....................
all Xbox first party games are going to beat their milestone goals and are all going to release early and xbox series x will have an amazing first party lineup by mid 2022 including great games like Destiny 2 The Witch Queen and I have no idea what ban you are talking about because I think there is nothing wrong with the upper management in Xbox Game Studios and they are just the best!
(blinks three times)
The ability to own a community is a byproduct of poor technology. In the near future, I hope that communities will be "owned" by their participants, and the value created by thoughtful leadership and management can be rewarded in a more equitable way than what we see with this sale.
I was pretty surprised that this site was so profitable though! Very impressive. Here I thought forums don't make much money, the ads were strictly necessary, and the premium subscriptions were generous donations toward a good cause. Quite naive/ignorant indeed.
I was pretty surprised that this site was so profitable though! Very impressive. Here I thought forums don't make much money, the ads were strictly necessary, and the premium subscriptions were generous donations toward a good cause. Quite naive/ignorant indeed.
When a person gets a series of these unwarranted bans, they can be used as pretext for a permanent, or more severe ban down the road.
It's not about technology, despite being for a community things usually happen because one or a few key individuals make them happen, someone had to take the initiative and put the work in to create the site and so forth. Then if the intent is to have it shared and not owned by an individual those things are usually solved with licenses or agreements.
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