This. Lol.
Honestly might just stop posting here after this news. Yuck.
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ResetEra Ownership Update
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This. Lol.
Honestly might just stop posting here after this news. Yuck.
Congats on the paycheck, bye bye! Hope it works out for you in the long run, but I doubt it.
Literally everyone who saw the ads when we arrived here first.
We don't know the talks that went on behind closed doors regarding staff and mods. We know they knew about it in advance but other than that nothing. Could well have been offered around to staff/mods/admins and no one could afford it (because why sell for less than what you could make in a few years by doing nothing?). And I doubt even if a community fund raiser was held we could get the money to co-op own the place.
We also don't know anything about Cerium's personal life so all the mental toil etc could be unrelated to this place and just personal stuff that this place was just adding to in the background. Or could be just a way to get sympathy for selling. We have no way of knowing and just have to trust what we've been told so far.
Quick!, lets make another forum were we agree to all get paid when someone wants to buy our user activity.
Shit, if it weren't for us, news site would have 80% less content and user traffic.
This guy already got paid and ran for it. Us members are the true value of this site.
Shit, if it weren't for us, news site would have 80% less content and user traffic.
This guy already got paid and ran for it. Us members are the true value of this site.
It's probably a good time to sell, the forum has been on the decline. So much discussion has been stifled and so many good users have been banned, not because they did anything wrong, but because they had a different opinion from the majority. The ETC forum in particular has become extremely toxic, I barely open it anymore.
I have zero sympathy for multi millionaires.
He will never have to work another day in his life. He's going to be fine, I think.
We all knew from the start this was going to happen that someone was going to get a payday to whomever poll the largest user base to their own forum board.
My feelings are mute at the moment, we came out from a toxic environment from the previous board so finding a new home and assist facilitating the move for the B/S/T thread to Resetera was priority. It's good to have a new home at the time but then again, I would of like to see this forum being run as a collaborative effort than ruled by one....
My feelings are mute at the moment, we came out from a toxic environment from the previous board so finding a new home and assist facilitating the move for the B/S/T thread to Resetera was priority. It's good to have a new home at the time but then again, I would of like to see this forum being run as a collaborative effort than ruled by one....
Nope. It is incredibly rare that a person gets banned on Era for having a "different opinion."
Care to give examples of some of these opinions you speak of if it's as common as you say?
One other interesting wrinkle is that any group like this that buys a forum needs all their destinations running on a common technical platform to reduce costs, so expect to see Era shift on to the same platform as their other sites (eesh) or those sites to move to Era's platform, which will mean little technical development here for some time while fixes and sticking plasters for those sites are applied.
I'd note that this issue specifically destroyed the Newsarama forums when they were acquired.
I'd note that this issue specifically destroyed the Newsarama forums when they were acquired.
Even if there is an exodus at some point or the owner walked away, the same thing would probably happen most likely.
It's just inevitable really. Watching forums die out and Era standing high was great, I love this place but no doubt it won't be around forever and an exodus may never happen, one day we will just go our separate ways or blink, miss the new boat.
It's just inevitable really. Watching forums die out and Era standing high was great, I love this place but no doubt it won't be around forever and an exodus may never happen, one day we will just go our separate ways or blink, miss the new boat.
As overlord of the Performative Rainbow Capitalist Local 1401, I agree with this.
ResetEra has neeeever been some den of leftism, we're definitely a predominantly liberal American-European forum, and the makeup of the forum permits more leftist opinion than there would be if this was a general cesspit of internet political kalaidoscope. The political makeup of the community is similar to that of the American Democratic party, which is to say, liberal, with more left leaning elements and more center leaning elements, and little tolerance -- appropriately -- for contemporary American "conservatism," whatever conservatism even if these days.
Lol. The truth is nobody trusts that they will not get banned for pointing these out, for good reason.
He was already pretty well off from what i heard so that was alwas a given. Money goes where Money is and so on.
Anyway Congrats to him.
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I don't really care about the sale itself, but I always thought that Era is generating just the right amount of money to maintain the site along with some seasonal updates. Also the messaging for Era Clear is now funnier in hindsight.
Thanks for volunteering, but I will also point out that the community would benefit from a moderation team that didn't have the ability to drop out for two weeks at a time or tune out the site whenever they feel like it. Of course, the only way to get around to that would be to make it a regular houred job. But also, by being strictly volunteered, good, free, moderation is precious enough that the ownership didn't really have the leverage to demand you mod regular hours.
The volunteer model was natural for a small, independent site, but now Era is part of a large network. Large enough that you could probably even unionize.
I doubt people could have gathered together almost 5 million bucks but to me like, if you're already at never work another day in your life money you might as well start prioritizing moral choices, could have sold for less and still never have to worry about money again, once you get past a certain point it's like what's the difference but I say that as someone who lives pretty frugal. To me if the choice is between never having to work again and trying to keep the site independently owned and never having to work again and selling to a corporation it would just be hard to pick the latter.
Cerium was always very cool to me and I don't want to make it seem like he's a bad person or anything, I don't believe that, just when big sums of money get involved shit gets messy
Someone else fronted all of the costs/risks for this forum to exist, there should be no feeling of ownership or entitlement of this forum other than the damn person that paid to keep the lights on. You all drive me wild sometimes. Yes it doesn't exist without us but it was a zero risk/zero reward for us to be participants. We also have NO idea of how profitable it became and when. Era-Clear introduction could have still been during tough times when other people were selling their stakes (they had a reason to sell their stakes...).
re Community Re-settlers: did a great job but it wasn't THAT much work in the grand scheme of things to hand out invites in Discord channels. I understand it was a few sleepless nights, but that doesn't earn you a share of the forum.
re Mods: can you imagine the thread and the shit-show that would ensue if there was a post saying "Our mods are now being paid," I guarantee the forum would revolt due to recent incidents and start thinking mods were only going to do the bidding of the owner or the major advertisers
Ya'll can't have your cake and eat it too, sorry.
re Community Re-settlers: did a great job but it wasn't THAT much work in the grand scheme of things to hand out invites in Discord channels. I understand it was a few sleepless nights, but that doesn't earn you a share of the forum.
re Mods: can you imagine the thread and the shit-show that would ensue if there was a post saying "Our mods are now being paid," I guarantee the forum would revolt due to recent incidents and start thinking mods were only going to do the bidding of the owner or the major advertisers
Ya'll can't have your cake and eat it too, sorry.
Of course. And I'm just saying we don't know wtf is going on with the guy as he's basically a ghost that haunts the resetera attic. We don't know why he decided to sell it, why now, were there any other offers or anything else. Could be dying of cancer or could just want a fat stack of cash to do whatever they feel like with.
Either way, they owned the place they can do what they like with it. The owner selling it and getting paid doesn't directly affect me (yet) so I'm still waiting and seeing. Also no one so far has turned up anything awful about the new owners so I don't see a reason to jump ship like I did last time when it turns out the owner was a sex pest.
If the site moves in that direction, I wouldn't stand in the way of someone getting a pay check, however skeptical I'd be of it being a move that would be better for this community.
This will significantly change the dynamics around here.
If someone is planning on migrating again kindly send a DM.
If someone is planning on migrating again kindly send a DM.
Pretty much.
"Banned for having an opinion" is usually code for "banned for trolling or saying something bigoted."
But perhaps the poster can actually give multiple examples and I'm wrong!
The question is left leaning to who? Because for that group being referenced, CNN would be a leftist propaganda news network. Why would these idiots are the measuring stick is a question worth asking.
Yes, in light if a declining userbase this actually sounds like an easy move for the new owner to increase the userbase.
I don't think people get banned for "different opinion," but I think bans are given too quickly without knowing the facts about a discussion. Good example is the Alex Morse sexual impropriety thread from 2020. The first page of that was a graveyard of accounts (I mean, not literally, but like 3 or 4 bans from it) for people doubting the initial story or challenging the merits of the "allegations" against him (which weren't legitimate allegations in the end, a mix of homophobia, political bull shit from some college-aged morons). And then they were all vindicated as being right, but none of those bans were ever, like, retroactively restored or anything. 200 posts and a couple weeks later the entire narrative had shifted.
But the other persons' point about the forum being in decline is right, to me, and it's a damn good time to get anything out of it. I'm still surprised how much money there is in a community like this. I would have thought a sale might be worth a few hundred thousand, not in the millions. There's no new membership over the last ~24 months, we're going on about zero growth this year, and that's usually not a good thing. There's still some carry-over policies from Gaf, like restricting new member registrations, that IMO make zero sense but it's just "The way things were done over there, and so it's the way things must be done here."
The site should have never restricted registrations, at least after the first 6 months or so. It's just one of those dumb old policies from Gaf that we've carried over and pedagogically held to it for no good reason.
It's left-leaning as a community, sure, but in no way does that preclude that 1. the owner can have leftist sympathies while still having wealthy class interest and 2. that Resetera as a website exists as a capitalist structure (in that it is a kind of privately owned property) and exists on the same capitalistic internet other websites do. Idk, even when Resetera was owned by multiple people, there was never an implication that it was a fucking co-op or some shit.
And if we're being honest, to most people, to the average user, "left-leaning" seems to largely come in forms of social values, in that you are punished for bigotry here with harshness you don't expect from other places. This is a forum where capitalism is criticized, but there always seems to be much greater ferver over people saying shitty things that reflect on poor social values, and less so on the fraught economic systems in society.
I'm not saying that this doesn't make us 'truly' left leaning, but to point out that 'leftism' means a lot of different things to a lot of different people, some of them with very poor understandings of leftist ideology, as well as some people who may not be leftist at all, as well as the natural inconsistency that is human behavior where people might sometimes say contradictory things.
All this to say that we're primarily a community with values that can be broadly called leftist, but we all live in a capitalist system, the website has always been someones private property, and that has been clear from the very beginning. Saying this site was founded on some kind of worker co-op is revisionist fanfiction.
we need an outlet outside of era that we can all link up to for when these cataclysmic events happen, whether there is an exodus this time or not.
Why wouldn't it work out for him? Just got 4.5 million dollars. He'll be alright and won't think much about this forum going forward.
This and Finale Fireworker 's big post are the most important, earnest ones I've seen so far.
Paid moderation would be red meat for people who already openly distrust and constantly speak ill of moderation on this site. I've already seen at least one poster say they'd expect paid mods to be online at set hours.
Really weird news, I guess Moba Networks sees Resetera as an advertisement platform? Wouldn't see any other reason for them to buy RE.
And 4,55 mio. is a lot but on the other hand it isn't, seeing all the vaporware web 2.0 stuff that sold for billions or lots of millions without any actual merit
Seems just like the final nail in the coffin of Gaming forums, which is sad
And 4,55 mio. is a lot but on the other hand it isn't, seeing all the vaporware web 2.0 stuff that sold for billions or lots of millions without any actual merit
Seems just like the final nail in the coffin of Gaming forums, which is sad
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