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SilentPanda

Member
Nov 6, 2017
13,641
Earth
A new Pew study found roughly 36% of Republicans said K-12 schools should offer in-person classes five days a week. Just 6% of Democrats held the same belief.
And while 41% of Democrats said schools should offer five days of remote instruction, just 13% of Republicans held the same belief.

The same study found Republicans are less likely to weigh the risk of students and teachers getting or spreading the coronavirus as a factor in the school reopening decision.

Scientific studies increasingly point to kids being at just as much of a risk of infection and transmission as adults.

One South Korean study published in mid-July found that people between the ages of 10 and 19 transmitted the virus at the same rates as adults. The researchers said the "pattern of transmission was similar to those of other respiratory viruses." Children are already known to transmit influenza viruses like swine flu or bird flu.

A separate July 30 study from Chicago-based JAMA Pediatrics found the viral load in children is just as high as the viral load in adults — meaning children could be "important drivers" of the coronavirus spread. The coronavirus as it pertains to children is still being studied.

www.businessinsider.com

Republicans don't believe kids can transmit the coronavirus, but science increasingly says they're wrong

Pew found Republicans less likely to see children as potential virus transmitters, but scientific studies increasingly show kids are just like adults.

So now more are showing that it might be as dangerous for children as adult?
 

Bebpo

Member
Feb 4, 2018
4,559
I've noticed that republicans often seem to take the first thing they hear and take it as gospel forever instead of like updating it as new info comes out.

Early on the news said kids couldn't get it, that masks didn't offer protection, etc...
 

Loud Wrong

Member
Feb 24, 2020
13,893
Their president tells them kids are immune because he doesn't know what "immune" actually means. He thinks because they don't typically die, they're immune from the virus. And he's president of the US. Birx probably doesn't correct him.
 

TreeMePls

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,258
If Republicans cared about anything data driven they wouldnt be Republicans in the first place
 

Gaia Lanzer

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,669
Chalk down another thing Republicans are WRONG about. Rarely are the right on anything, they just peddle lies, condition saps to believe up is down and down is up and whine that people call them out on it.
 

Foffy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,378
We all know they're going to turn on science and data because when you're a conservative, what you believe must be stamped onto the world even if it doesn't fit.
 

Strike

Member
Oct 25, 2017
27,341
When have Republicans ever let something like science get in the way of their beliefs?
 

Rhete

Member
Oct 27, 2017
655
I mean, one of the reasons this virus is so evil is because some people are asymptomatic and continue to spread it around for weeks. Even if no kids showed symptoms... they still have it, why wouldn't they be able to spread it.

But yeah, they know, they just don't care.
 

Alcoremortis

Member
Oct 25, 2017
2,559
Even the earliest papers reporting low child infections/deaths suspected that the cause might be that children were kept out of high risk scenarios by their parents. It's been baffling to me how many leaders have just ignored that part.
 

Sober

Member
Oct 25, 2017
951
Because we need someone to babysit them during the day to get that economy moving. Also why education has suddenly become so important to Republicans who typically cry about it being a liberal brainwash center.
Kill off the children and it's a two for one. No potential future liberal voters and you can close down schools.
 

The Albatross

Member
Oct 25, 2017
38,985
The research is not conclusive on this, please stop posting Business Insider articles that claim to know about science. Business Insider generally takes nuanced articles from other publications and then distills them into the most click-bait, ideology-baiting statements to get attention. It's their business model, they take articles that people pay money for, written by good journalists that present all of the known facts, and then they strip out everything that seems like fluff to them, and repurpose it as a hard hitting takedown, in order to sell ads for junk. Other publications that do the same thing are The Hill, Forbes, Fortune, and dozens of others. It's best to stick to the publications that write the original articles about it, the ones you can trust, and be hesitant to form a conclusion.

The WaPo had a good article yesterday about conflicting research when it comes to children, infections, sickness, and transmission:


Children and the virus: As schools reopen, much remains unknown about the risk to kids and the peril they pose to others


A report from leading pediatric health groups found that more than 97,000 U.S. children tested positive for the coronavirus in the last two weeks of July, more than a quarter of the total number of children diagnosed nationwide since March. As of July 30, there were 338,982 cases reported in children since the dawn of the pandemic, according to data from the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Children's Hospital Association.

Eight months after the World Health Organization received the first report of a "pneumonia of unknown cause" in China, much remains uncertain about the coronavirus and children.

Doctors are more confident that most children exposed to the virus are unlikely to have serious illness, a sentiment backed by a report published Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that concluded children are far less likely to be hospitalized with covid-19, the illness caused by the virus, than adults. But when children do fall seriously sick, the burden of illness is borne disproportionately: That same CDC report concluded that Hispanic children are approximately eight times more likely and Black children five times more likely to be hospitalized with covid-19 than their White peers.
Early studies on children and the virus were small and conflicting. But accumulating evidence suggests the coronavirus may affect younger children differently than older ones.

One paper published in July in the journal JAMA Pediatrics found that children younger than 5 with mild to moderate cases of covid-19 had much higher levels of virus in their noses than older children and adults — suggesting they could be more infectious. That study, conducted by doctors at the Ann & Robert H. Lurie Children's Hospital of Chicago, used data from 145 children tested at drive-through sites in that region.

A study out of South Korea examining household transmission also found age-based differences in children. Puzzlingly, it seemed to reach an opposite conclusion about transmission than the Chicago researchers did. Children under age 10 did not appear to pass on the virus readily, while those between 10 and 19 appeared to transmit the virus almost as much as adults did.

The research is still inconclusive, and there's a lot of contradictory studies because we just don't know that much about the virus. It's not helpful to make posts as if research is conclusive when it isn't. Don't turn child transmission into another hydroxychloroquine, an issue that got politized immediately, with one faulty study being taken up by Republicans as proof that it was a miracle cure, and then two faulty studies contradicting that one, and then Republicans used the faults in those two other studies to then further promote the findings of the earlier faulty study.

I know we eagerly want to dunk on everyone, but please, just be responsible with statements of fact or arrogant statements of truth about the virus. We all want to think that we know everything about the virus, but we don't. This is literally how misinformation spreads.

Here is more information from the NYT about one of the studies that this Business Insider article is referring to:

www.nytimes.com

Children May Carry Coronavirus at High Levels, Study Finds (Published 2020)

The research does not prove that infected children are contagious, but it should influence the debate about reopening schools, some experts said.

It has been a comforting refrain in the national conversation about reopening schools: Young children are mostly spared by the coronavirus and don't seem to spread it to others, at least not very often.

But on Thursday, a study introduced an unwelcome wrinkle into this smooth narrative.

Infected children have at least as much of the coronavirus in their noses and throats as infected adults, according to the research. Indeed, children younger than age 5 may host up to 100 times as much of the virus in the upper respiratory tract as adults, the authors found.

That measurement does not necessarily prove children are passing the virus to others. Still, the findings should influence the debate over reopening schools, several experts said.

"That measurement does not necessarily prove children are passing the virus to others. Still, the findings should influence the debate over reopening schools, several experts said."

So now more are showing that it might be as dangerous for children as adult?

No. There is competing, contradictory research and the results across multiple competing studies are inconclusive because we just don't know that much about the virus yet. Please, don't act like President Trump, where he presents a list of statements and then puts a question mark at the end as if he's "just asking a question." Trump does this with hydroxychloroquine, with delaying the election, with re-opening the schools, with everything; I know he's the president of the United States, but he's not a role model anybody should emulate.

The NYT article above is one of the first ones covering the JAMA study as well as some others, the WaPo article above is a good synthesis of all of the recent conflicting studies.

But answering your fake question, from what most researchers and scientists still believe, the virus is generally not considered to be as dangerous for children as adults. But, that shouldn't be misconstrued as "There are no dangers for children," or that "children cannot get the virus," or that "adults are not at risk from getting the virus from children." We should be especially cautious in places that still have widespread outbreaks, like most of the United States.
 
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Richietto

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
22,964
North Carolina
How the duck does that make any sense? They have the same saliva as adults, they cough, sneeze, do everything the same but they can't transmit it??? Fucking goons.
 

Amalthea

Member
Dec 22, 2017
5,671
My first rule with republicans is to assume that anything they claim is scientifically wrong.
 

plagiarize

Eating crackers
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
27,511
Cape Cod, MA
One of the reasons they think young children under the age of 10 suffer less impact from catching the disease, actually suggests that kids 5 and under are more infectious. The virus seems to take up residence higher up in the respiratory system in young children (nose and throat vs lungs). Which is great for the kid not suffering some of the more serious effects of the virus, but is believed by some scientists to account for a higher viral load from young children.

Whether that turns out to be true, children are a massive driver of infection in respiratory diseases, and there's nothing about this one that would even make you suspect that would be different here.
 

Tuppen

Member
Nov 28, 2017
2,053
The research is not conclusive on this, please stop posting Business Insider articles that claim to know about science. Business Insider generally takes nuanced articles from other publications and then distills them into the most click-bait, ideology-baiting statements to get attention. It's their business model, they take articles that people pay money for, written by good journalists that present all of the known facts, and then they strip out everything that seems like fluff to them, and repurpose it as a hard hitting takedown, in order to sell ads for junk. Other publications that do the same thing are The Hill, Forbes, Fortune, and dozens of others. It's best to stick to the publications that write the original articles about it, the ones you can trust, and be hesitant to form a conclusion.

The WaPo had a good article yesterday about conflicting research when it comes to children, infections, sickness, and transmission:


Children and the virus: As schools reopen, much remains unknown about the risk to kids and the peril they pose to others








The research is still inconclusive, and there's a lot of contradictory studies because we just don't know that much about the virus. It's not helpful to make posts as if research is conclusive when it isn't. Don't turn child transmission into another hydroxychloroquine, an issue that got politized immediately, with one faulty study being taken up by Republicans as proof that it was a miracle cure, and then two faulty studies contradicting that one, and then Republicans used the faults in those two other studies to then further promote the findings of the earlier faulty study.

I know we eagerly want to dunk on everyone, but please, just be responsible with statements of fact or arrogant statements of truth about the virus. We all want to think that we know everything about the virus, but we don't. This is literally how misinformation spreads.

Here is more information from the NYT about one of the studies that this Business Insider article is referring to:

www.nytimes.com

Children May Carry Coronavirus at High Levels, Study Finds (Published 2020)

The research does not prove that infected children are contagious, but it should influence the debate about reopening schools, some experts said.



"That measurement does not necessarily prove children are passing the virus to others. Still, the findings should influence the debate over reopening schools, several experts said."



No. There is competing, contradictory research and the results across multiple competing studies are inconclusive because we just don't know that much about the virus yet. Please, don't act like President Trump, where he presents a list of statements and then puts a question mark at the end as if he's "just asking a question." Trump does this with hydroxychloroquine, with delaying the election, with re-opening the schools, with everything; I know he's the president of the United States, but he's not a role model anybody should emulate.

The NYT article above is one of the first ones covering the JAMA study as well as some others, the WaPo article above is a good synthesis of all of the recent conflicting studies.

But answering your fake question, from what most researchers and scientists still believe, the virus is generally not considered to be as dangerous for children as adults. But, that shouldn't be misconstrued as "There are no dangers for children," or that "children cannot get the virus," or that "adults are not at risk from getting the virus from children." We should be especially cautious in places that still have widespread outbreaks, like most of the United States.
Thank you
 

Otnopolit

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,590
The research is not conclusive on this, please stop posting Business Insider articles that claim to know about science. Business Insider generally takes nuanced articles from other publications and then distills them into the most click-bait, ideology-baiting statements to get attention. It's their business model, they take articles that people pay money for, written by good journalists that present all of the known facts, and then they strip out everything that seems like fluff to them, and repurpose it as a hard hitting takedown, in order to sell ads for junk. Other publications that do the same thing are The Hill, Forbes, Fortune, and dozens of others. It's best to stick to the publications that write the original articles about it, the ones you can trust, and be hesitant to form a conclusion.

The WaPo had a good article yesterday about conflicting research when it comes to children, infections, sickness, and transmission:


Children and the virus: As schools reopen, much remains unknown about the risk to kids and the peril they pose to others








The research is still inconclusive, and there's a lot of contradictory studies because we just don't know that much about the virus. It's not helpful to make posts as if research is conclusive when it isn't. Don't turn child transmission into another hydroxychloroquine, an issue that got politized immediately, with one faulty study being taken up by Republicans as proof that it was a miracle cure, and then two faulty studies contradicting that one, and then Republicans used the faults in those two other studies to then further promote the findings of the earlier faulty study.

I know we eagerly want to dunk on everyone, but please, just be responsible with statements of fact or arrogant statements of truth about the virus. We all want to think that we know everything about the virus, but we don't. This is literally how misinformation spreads.

Here is more information from the NYT about one of the studies that this Business Insider article is referring to:

www.nytimes.com

Children May Carry Coronavirus at High Levels, Study Finds (Published 2020)

The research does not prove that infected children are contagious, but it should influence the debate about reopening schools, some experts said.



"That measurement does not necessarily prove children are passing the virus to others. Still, the findings should influence the debate over reopening schools, several experts said."



No. There is competing, contradictory research and the results across multiple competing studies are inconclusive because we just don't know that much about the virus yet. Please, don't act like President Trump, where he presents a list of statements and then puts a question mark at the end as if he's "just asking a question." Trump does this with hydroxychloroquine, with delaying the election, with re-opening the schools, with everything; I know he's the president of the United States, but he's not a role model anybody should emulate.

The NYT article above is one of the first ones covering the JAMA study as well as some others, the WaPo article above is a good synthesis of all of the recent conflicting studies.

But answering your fake question, from what most researchers and scientists still believe, the virus is generally not considered to be as dangerous for children as adults. But, that shouldn't be misconstrued as "There are no dangers for children," or that "children cannot get the virus," or that "adults are not at risk from getting the virus from children." We should be especially cautious in places that still have widespread outbreaks, like most of the United States.

I'm quoting all of this in an attempt to steer the very slow moving ship back on course. Thanks Albatross!
 

Lilyth

Member
Sep 13, 2019
1,176
But answering your fake question, from what most researchers and scientists still believe, the virus is generally not considered to be as dangerous for children as adults. But, that shouldn't be misconstrued as "There are no dangers for children," or that "children cannot get the virus," or that "adults are not at risk from getting the virus from children." We should be especially cautious in places that still have widespread outbreaks, like most of the United States.
To add to this, here is a German study from April that concludes that children are just as contagious as adults. In my opinion, this discussion is settled:
 

brotherbean

Member
Oct 26, 2017
232
One of the strangest parts of this whole stupid mess to me has been watching the political party that believes that education creates a liberal bias try to justify rushing kids back into school.
 

WedgeX

Member
Oct 27, 2017
13,172
The research is not conclusive on this, please stop posting Business Insider articles that claim to know about science. Business Insider generally takes nuanced articles from other publications and then distills them into the most click-bait, ideology-baiting statements to get attention. It's their business model, they take articles that people pay money for, written by good journalists that present all of the known facts, and then they strip out everything that seems like fluff to them, and repurpose it as a hard hitting takedown, in order to sell ads for junk. Other publications that do the same thing are The Hill, Forbes, Fortune, and dozens of others. It's best to stick to the publications that write the original articles about it, the ones you can trust, and be hesitant to form a conclusion.

The WaPo had a good article yesterday about conflicting research when it comes to children, infections, sickness, and transmission:


Children and the virus: As schools reopen, much remains unknown about the risk to kids and the peril they pose to others








The research is still inconclusive, and there's a lot of contradictory studies because we just don't know that much about the virus. It's not helpful to make posts as if research is conclusive when it isn't. Don't turn child transmission into another hydroxychloroquine, an issue that got politized immediately, with one faulty study being taken up by Republicans as proof that it was a miracle cure, and then two faulty studies contradicting that one, and then Republicans used the faults in those two other studies to then further promote the findings of the earlier faulty study.

I know we eagerly want to dunk on everyone, but please, just be responsible with statements of fact or arrogant statements of truth about the virus. We all want to think that we know everything about the virus, but we don't. This is literally how misinformation spreads.

Here is more information from the NYT about one of the studies that this Business Insider article is referring to:

www.nytimes.com

Children May Carry Coronavirus at High Levels, Study Finds (Published 2020)

The research does not prove that infected children are contagious, but it should influence the debate about reopening schools, some experts said.



"That measurement does not necessarily prove children are passing the virus to others. Still, the findings should influence the debate over reopening schools, several experts said."



No. There is competing, contradictory research and the results across multiple competing studies are inconclusive because we just don't know that much about the virus yet. Please, don't act like President Trump, where he presents a list of statements and then puts a question mark at the end as if he's "just asking a question." Trump does this with hydroxychloroquine, with delaying the election, with re-opening the schools, with everything; I know he's the president of the United States, but he's not a role model anybody should emulate.

The NYT article above is one of the first ones covering the JAMA study as well as some others, the WaPo article above is a good synthesis of all of the recent conflicting studies.

But answering your fake question, from what most researchers and scientists still believe, the virus is generally not considered to be as dangerous for children as adults. But, that shouldn't be misconstrued as "There are no dangers for children," or that "children cannot get the virus," or that "adults are not at risk from getting the virus from children." We should be especially cautious in places that still have widespread outbreaks, like most of the United States.

I greatly appreciate this post.

I wonder how much AAP's guidance might change as we learn more about the virus. Of course it seems like the schools we've seen open are unable to take even those basic steps.

 

MasterChumly

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,895
The research is not conclusive on this, please stop posting Business Insider articles that claim to know about science. Business Insider generally takes nuanced articles from other publications and then distills them into the most click-bait, ideology-baiting statements to get attention. It's their business model, they take articles that people pay money for, written by good journalists that present all of the known facts, and then they strip out everything that seems like fluff to them, and repurpose it as a hard hitting takedown, in order to sell ads for junk. Other publications that do the same thing are The Hill, Forbes, Fortune, and dozens of others. It's best to stick to the publications that write the original articles about it, the ones you can trust, and be hesitant to form a conclusion.

The WaPo had a good article yesterday about conflicting research when it comes to children, infections, sickness, and transmission:


Children and the virus: As schools reopen, much remains unknown about the risk to kids and the peril they pose to others








The research is still inconclusive, and there's a lot of contradictory studies because we just don't know that much about the virus. It's not helpful to make posts as if research is conclusive when it isn't. Don't turn child transmission into another hydroxychloroquine, an issue that got politized immediately, with one faulty study being taken up by Republicans as proof that it was a miracle cure, and then two faulty studies contradicting that one, and then Republicans used the faults in those two other studies to then further promote the findings of the earlier faulty study.

I know we eagerly want to dunk on everyone, but please, just be responsible with statements of fact or arrogant statements of truth about the virus. We all want to think that we know everything about the virus, but we don't. This is literally how misinformation spreads.

Here is more information from the NYT about one of the studies that this Business Insider article is referring to:

www.nytimes.com

Children May Carry Coronavirus at High Levels, Study Finds (Published 2020)

The research does not prove that infected children are contagious, but it should influence the debate about reopening schools, some experts said.



"That measurement does not necessarily prove children are passing the virus to others. Still, the findings should influence the debate over reopening schools, several experts said."



No. There is competing, contradictory research and the results across multiple competing studies are inconclusive because we just don't know that much about the virus yet. Please, don't act like President Trump, where he presents a list of statements and then puts a question mark at the end as if he's "just asking a question." Trump does this with hydroxychloroquine, with delaying the election, with re-opening the schools, with everything; I know he's the president of the United States, but he's not a role model anybody should emulate.

The NYT article above is one of the first ones covering the JAMA study as well as some others, the WaPo article above is a good synthesis of all of the recent conflicting studies.

But answering your fake question, from what most researchers and scientists still believe, the virus is generally not considered to be as dangerous for children as adults. But, that shouldn't be misconstrued as "There are no dangers for children," or that "children cannot get the virus," or that "adults are not at risk from getting the virus from children." We should be especially cautious in places that still have widespread outbreaks, like most of the United States.
I mean the headline is spot on. More studies have come out recently that do point to children being vectors for transmission. I'd much rather rely on recent studies and real world examples verses a couple of garbage studies from the beginning of the pandemic. It might not be completely settled but the way it currently stands we should be treating kids the same as adults when considering transmission.
 

The Albatross

Member
Oct 25, 2017
38,985
I mean the headline is spot on. More studies have come out recently that do point to children being vectors for transmission. I'd much rather rely on recent studies and real world examples verses a couple of garbage studies from the beginning of the pandemic. It might not be completely settled but the way it currently stands we should be treating kids the same as adults when considering transmission.

The OP presents a distilled listicle from Business Insider and then poses the fake question at the end, "So now more are showing it might be as dangerous for children as adult?" which is not what the Business Insider listicle, or any of the articles or studies that listicle is based off of, might show. And not a single post of the ~30 or so before mine challenged that assertion in the op: "So now more are showing it might be as dangerous for children as adult." That assertion, posed as a fake question (similar to how Trump asserted that we should delay the elections, but put a question mark at the end as if he's "only asking questions"), is false, no, more studies are not showing that COVID might be as dangerous for children as adults. But, that isn't to say that COVID isn't dangerous for children or that children can not disease vectors as Trump asserts.

In a pandemic, it's more important to be accurate than to be popular. The WaPo and NYT articles might be boring, they present more nuanced researched, some that's contradictory, and can't provide a clear cut statement... So, inevitably, they're not really popular articles that capture people's viral attention. But, they're more accurate than the Business Insider distillation ... 5 bullet points with none of the nuance from the studies or articles that the BI listicle is made of. And, more over, the Business Insider article does not assert that "the virus is as dangerous for children as adults," which is the conclusion presented in a fake question in the OP. So, no, in a pandemic, I'm asking that we do some more digging before presenting an assertion to other people. It might mean not having a hot discussion thread or not getting a lot of likes on Twitter, or reshares on Facebook, but that cost -- losing a little social capital -- is greatly outweighed by the benefit, not spreading half-formed truths during a pandemic and contributing to the culture of misinformation.

THe Atlantic has a tremendous story about how the Pandemic defeated America

www.theatlantic.com

How the Pandemic Defeated America

A virus has brought the world’s most powerful country to its knees.

And one of the central contributing themes is the promotion of half-formed truths as whole-formed truths. This is a sweeping, enormous cover story, thousands of words, but on this point:

The media added to the confusion. Drawn to novelty, journalists gave oxygen to fringe anti-lockdown protests while most Americans quietly stayed home. They wrote up every incremental scientific claim, even those that hadn't been verified or peer-reviewed.

There were many such claims to choose from. By tying career advancement to the publishing of papers, academia already creates incentives for scientists to do attention-grabbing but irreproducible work. The pandemic strengthened those incentives by prompting a rush of panicked research and promising ambitious scientists global attention.

(the article uses the example of hydroxychloroquine, which is similar but tangential to the discussion in this thread, skip to the next paragraph)

Science famously self-corrects. But during the pandemic, the same urgent pace that has produced valuable knowledge at record speed has also sent sloppy claims around the world before anyone could even raise a skeptical eyebrow. The ensuing confusion, and the many genuine unknowns about the virus, has created a vortex of fear and uncertainty, which grifters have sought to exploit. Snake-oil merchants have peddled ineffectual silver bullets (including actual silver). Armchair experts with scant or absent qualifications have found regular slots on the nightly news. And at the center of that confusion is Donald Trump.

Outside of a crisis, self-correction asserts itself over months and years and there's relatively little risk presenting half-formed ideas. When scientific papers contradict themselves about the health benefits of drinking red wine or the health concerns introduced by drinking red wine, it's really not a major risk to share distilled articles about the studies and promote a faulty conclusion at the end. People are going to drink red wine regardless of the benefits or risks, and you can take your time coming to a conclusion because the benefits and risks aren't likely to end your life or end the lives of others right away. But, during a fast spreading out of control pandemic, that time required for self-correction is not a luxury, and spreading false assertions based on research that the original articles covering that research claims is inconclusive and does not reach the same assertion as it's presented in the OP, is misinformation. It's dangerous. We all want to share something, we all do it -- myself included -- but I'm trying harder to not present a distilled assertion on the virus when we really don't know whether that distilled assertion is true.

It's a hard behavior to unlearn in the generation of social media capital, but in a pandemic, sometimes not sharing something is better than sharing something you and others don't know for sure. It's difficult especially when the master of misinformation is at leading the government, but this information can be presented as a challenge to Trump's assertions without making inaccurate assertions ourselves. "Actually, Mr. President, the science is inconclusive, so your statement that children are immune to the virus is false."
 
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Chrome Hyena

Member
Oct 30, 2017
8,768
Sucks we got this guy as president till jan 20th. because he's going to just allow America to burn. He obviously is not even doing the bare minimum, and he is encouraging ignorant govs to not act as well. America should have had a nationwide mask mandate months ago and we needed a hard lockdown. The entire country. Schools don't need in person classes right now either.

Funny enough there are millions of kids homeschooled who seem to learn just fine, but since we have a ignorant president, parents can't even take appropriate time from work to teach their kids. all nonsense.