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Republican state senator in Nebraska accuses own party of enabling white supremacy, GOP response is astounding
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You're more than welcome to start a civil war if you think that'll be easier. You'd have my full support.
This isn't the same situation. Your vote will still count regardless of what they vote. Question is can you bring a few of them to your side.
I'm sorry but what olive branch? HStallion isn't in charge of this dude's destiny. Either he wants to change or he doesn't. Either he actually wants to no longer contribute to his bigoted party or he doesn't. His exit from the party shouldn't be dependent on the amount of people willing to congratulate him for doing so on the other side.
I think that you would be hard pressed to find anyone who hates how polarized American politics has become than I am so I'm not making that statement lightly. I've worked in a majority conservative environment for twenty years and I've watched slowly as my co-workers have veered farther and farther into right wing ideology and I've tried my best to warn them against the dangers of what they were becoming but the modern GOP encouraged it and held their hands the entire way down into this pit.
I'm wary of these kinds of "allies" because this one especially seems to be more upset that the mask has been torn off of his party than the cumulative damage they've done to our society.
If it were, would you be willing to congratulate him?
And not just him, but Republican voters willing to speak up against this administration and maybe even help vote it out but too proud to admit they were part of the problem?
Is that a threat? Like what the hell dude.
Trump supporters are already committing mass murder now in the name of Trump. Are we just supposed to hope they run out of racist murderous rage after the 10,000th mass shooting?
We need to face this shit for what it is. No, it doesn't require "CIVIL WAR!!". There is somewhere in between being more aggressive and all out war. Being afraid of doing the hard thing will ensure that this country continues to tumble into the hot hell we are currently inhabiting. Stop worrying about hurt feelings, they are literally killing us.
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My expectations are that the GOP is a party of the absolute worst elements of America and one dude crying out agaisnt the bigotry is the exception proving the rule about the GOP. He had decades to make this point but held it back till his party was openly and proudly bigoted. Waiting till the house burns down to call the fire department ain't doing much.
If Dems start a "civil war" because they are pushing that bigotry, misogyny and caging children at the border are unacceptable period and not up for debate then you are pointing that wagging finger in the wrong direction.
You think you're being slick, you're not. You're MO is far from subtle and not new.
I should say that I am glad to see the rare party member speak out against the party. IF the party was more like this guy, at the very least, Trump wouldn't be president, but, it's just not.
If this guy really wants to make a difference he'd stop voting Republican and come out against the party of bigotry. This isn't some NEW problem, and that the issue I take with people like this guy here, this has always been the party in the modern times.
I don't know, maybe he is just NOW seeing it, and if that's the case, I hope he realizes he is no longer welcome in his party and he leaves it. I mean clearly, the party told him as much.
If this guy really wants to make a difference he'd stop voting Republican and come out against the party of bigotry. This isn't some NEW problem, and that the issue I take with people like this guy here, this has always been the party in the modern times.
I don't know, maybe he is just NOW seeing it, and if that's the case, I hope he realizes he is no longer welcome in his party and he leaves it. I mean clearly, the party told him as much.
Seriously. What will it take to get through to you? Victory does not lie in convincing shitty people to be less shitty. It never has and it never will.
I mean if they were too proud to admit they were wrong then I'm not going to force them to but I genuinely don't have anything to say to such a person rather than "thanks for coming to your senses, I guess". If they want more, that's fine but they're not gonna get it from me. I don't consider baseline empathy and self-awareness praiseworthy and I don't consider that a fault.
Not meant as a threat in the slightest and I'm terribly sorry if it came out like that.
The reason I said it was because the same argument about the GOP and Trump voters that keeps coming up is that they're simply deplorables and there's no changing that.
If that's the case we're talking about a huge percentage of the population that will never just go away (at least not in the foreseeable future) even if they lose an election once in a while.
So how do you deal with such a divide in ideology within the current democratic framework? To me it seems like a logical dead end...
What decades? This is his first term. Some people in this thread aren't making any sense at all.
The GOP has been like this for decades. Joining recently and acting ignorant about the obvious truth is on him.
GOP went to full
He's probably gonna get primaried now because of this.
I'm trying to get my dad to just stay home. No way he'll ever vote for a Democrat, not even gonna bring that up to him.
It's his first term as a senator. Not as a politician or a Republican citizen in general. In that context, he has had decades to speak out against his own party.
Good video, thanks.
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It's an abstraction of the many things going on in the world, which invites interpretation and excess over the truth.
To be clear, I think it's possible to change the hearts and minds of many Americans more towards pluralism.
It's not going to be quick or easy but it is possible. And the starting point has to be acknowledging that these people have formed their current opinions as a result of pervasive external influence rather than being born evil. And that external influences can be changed.
I wish i harbored that optimism. I suppose ill share it even if we see small ripples of hope over time
But right now its very messy and looking to get worse before it gets better
We need a lot more voices.
"I of course am not suggesting that all Republicans are white supremacists nor am I saying that the average Republican is even racist."
kind of a distinction without a difference, you have all achieved the same thing, congratulations
you don't get to separate yourself from this, you ain't special.
kind of a distinction without a difference, you have all achieved the same thing, congratulations
you don't get to separate yourself from this, you ain't special.
There is certainly some side-eye for speaking up just now.
Like if you haven't been delusional this whole time, then why did you keep your mouth shut for 3 years.
Like if you haven't been delusional this whole time, then why did you keep your mouth shut for 3 years.
Semi offtopic but pertinent to the coming election, not all democrats are biden supporters either, and yet we ALSO seemingly have little to no voice in our candidate.
The system somehow finds a way to fuck us all.
What was the South Park thing? The choice is between a shit sandwich and a douche?
Nah there's def been a tipping point. I mean you can just look at cable news and debates 10-20 years ago and it was very Civil.
We went from republicans passing environmental regulations, to discussing policies on amnesty, to McCain shutting down a racist supporter question about Obama being an Arab.... to the Trump GOP.
Honestly I have no doubt that many Republican candidates in their heart do not necessarily harbor that hate... but they know it appeals to their base and so they either tolerate it or use it to selfishly stay in power.
We went from republicans passing environmental regulations, to discussing policies on amnesty, to McCain shutting down a racist supporter question about Obama being an Arab.... to the Trump GOP.
Honestly I have no doubt that many Republican candidates in their heart do not necessarily harbor that hate... but they know it appeals to their base and so they either tolerate it or use it to selfishly stay in power.
Well this certainly qualifies as the most unique turn in your resignation statement I've ever seen or heard.
Holy fuck, they're not even doing the usual suspiciously-vehement-denial thing they always do when someone calls them on their racist white-supremacist BS.
They actually, seriously, didn't even bother wearing that mask this time. No refuting his points whatsoever, just straight-up "yeah well you can just go join the Democrats if you don't like our Nazi-enabling shit".
Trump and his ilk have empowered these scumbags so thoroughly it's unreal. I've never seen such a dropping of pretenses like that before in a political response...and it probably won't be the last time we see this happen either.
They actually, seriously, didn't even bother wearing that mask this time. No refuting his points whatsoever, just straight-up "yeah well you can just go join the Democrats if you don't like our Nazi-enabling shit".
Trump and his ilk have empowered these scumbags so thoroughly it's unreal. I've never seen such a dropping of pretenses like that before in a political response...and it probably won't be the last time we see this happen either.
Yep ditto. Grew up Republican from Texas but cannot stand for what it has become. Rotten to the core, makes me sad. I know I will get no sympathy on here but it really wasn't all that long ago it wasn't like this. Pre 9/11, pre Columbine :(
The only example we have a Republican denouncing Trump AFTER he won the presidency left the party instead of recanting. If we are to take your analysis at face value anyone who is willing to call out the GOP at this point isn't going to take back their words.
That is worse than a denial by the Republican Party, that is an acceptance of what he says as truth.
I think the biggest culprit is that tribalism and vying for power is what leads what would be "good" republicans to just keep their heads down and tolerate Trump. Speaking out against him is not a popular thing to do among their voters. But I'd bet a lot of them wish they could.
Theres unfortunately too many people willing to turn a blind eye to stay in power.
It extends to the voters too. So many of them are willing to tolerate his idiocy and racism because hey, at least its not some liberal in Washington
Theres unfortunately too many people willing to turn a blind eye to stay in power.
It extends to the voters too. So many of them are willing to tolerate his idiocy and racism because hey, at least its not some liberal in Washington
I was talking more about the Republicans that end up saying these things either right before their term ends or right after. Basically once they no longer have to face the wrath of the party, then they open up. It wouldn't surprise me one bit to find out this guy wants out.
Also you can't tell me there aren't many examples of Republicans saying something almost half decent, and then recanting. They do it all the time. Maybe not denouncing Trump specifically.
But I mean your point is taken, they are almost all completely trash, that rarely go against the party in any way, glad we agree.
It's kinda like how Fox News inadvertently called Trump racist and hateful.
Obama released a statement saying something about how we have to condemn speech from leaders that feed a climate of fear and hared or normalizes racist sentiments. He never mentions Trump or anyone by name.
But Fox News hosts immediately call out it was about Trump, and begin defending him saying that Bush never called out Obama for Sandy Hook (missing the point entirely)
Colbert nailed it https://twitter.com/colbertlateshow/status/1158918019495727105
"It's like somone saying "Whoever is shitting on my lawn really has to stop" and your neighbor saying "Hey! you can't prove I did that!"
Some of the posters here I am incredibly glad are not in charge of any messaging from the Democratic Party or any liberal groups.
I'll put it that way.
To not is the death of the party.
The seat, any seat, even a US Senate seat, is worth less than allowing this to stand.
So the bloodbath would continue. Corker, Flake, Sanford, Amash, that guy from Iowa, those 12-odd ones from Kansas, and now him (and probably more).
I'll put it that way.
To not is the death of the party.
The seat, any seat, even a US Senate seat, is worth less than allowing this to stand.
So the bloodbath would continue. Corker, Flake, Sanford, Amash, that guy from Iowa, those 12-odd ones from Kansas, and now him (and probably more).
LOL you think the party is just flirting with white supremacy? The fucking party is white supremacy. It's built into the core of its DNA. This guy ain't pulling the party back from the brink, he's just peaking his head out so the party can abandon him. The time to abandon was a long fucking time ago, the time to course-correct was a long fucking time ago. They can push all the same horrific rhetoric, cushioned in a smile, but it'll be the same shit.
The party isn't going to be cured once Trump is gone. This isn't a movie where the machine turns off, and everyone turns normal again. Trump's administration has demonstrated just how fucking much this party can get away with without needing to hide its intent. All the next Republican leader has to do is have a moderate composure and not scream like an idiot on Twitter, and people will act like "sense" has once again returned to the party. The same useless apathetic motherfuckers who had to be galvanized into putting out this fire will go back to smugly acting above-it-all, too checked-out to acknowledge just how fundamentally damaged the foundations are in the aftermath.
And this isn't just Trump. Fascistic right wing rhetoric is on the rise everywhere, globally. Even the Democratic Party, the sole opposition to this madness in America, is so fucking incapable of firmly deciding if they're going to actively fight this ideology or simply be just be self-serving enough to cash-in on peoples' demand for change.
This guy wants to play conscientious objector? Go right ahead. It's clearly not what his base called for though, and soon enough, he'll be thrown to the curb.
See the thing is, he already knows about the white supremacist groups moving to the north west in order to take a foothold in oregon, east washington and idaho. If someone pushes something like, oh let's say, gun control, and they mobilize into a full on milita, Nebraska is the first one up for expansion.
He needs to nip it in the bud now because he knows he's directly in the path of that hate train.
Eh...being mealy mouthed and saying, "oh white supremecy is just the worst" while giving a wink to the camera has worked out for decades for some of these people.
Morally, yes, I agree.
But that's the thing, these people ain't moral. They've twisted their morality into thinking that white jesus will absolve them of their sins as they reenact manifest destiny in order to make america great again.
He needs to nip it in the bud now because he knows he's directly in the path of that hate train.
Eh...being mealy mouthed and saying, "oh white supremecy is just the worst" while giving a wink to the camera has worked out for decades for some of these people.
Morally, yes, I agree.
But that's the thing, these people ain't moral. They've twisted their morality into thinking that white jesus will absolve them of their sins as they reenact manifest destiny in order to make america great again.
On the other hand my father is diagnosed with Narcissist Personality Disorder (you know, like, by an actual psychiatrist) and yet he's avoidant of conflict and doesn't display any confrontational behaviour at all.
It's almost as if people are complex and made up of more than just your stereotyped view of their mental health disorders. Not every person with NPD is a fascist or a pig.
I love how resetera is so against mental health shaming as an excuse for behaviour until it's a personality disorder they don't understand.
This is known, yes. Now, what are we doing with that information?
I was talking from the GOPs perspective. Of control over the factions that want to flee either out of morals or fear of punishment now that more Rubicons have been crossed. They lose that fear and everything falls apart, and its more than political power at stake for them.
Racism is a scale and is not binary. He most likely is racist, just not on the extreme end of things.
That or he doesn't like the fact that the dog whistles have finally been put away from the very party that notably has for decades been clamoring to attract racist voters to support them.
Currently live in Nebraska, this dude is cool but we also have Sass. Sass will come out and SAY he's opposed to the shit the GOP is up to but when it comes time to vote he falls in line like the rest of the republicans.