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Rep. Jim Clyburn says Dem Senate challenger "Jaime Harrison started to plateau when 'Defund the Police' showed up on TV right across his head"
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I agree. A lot of the faults of the way the house and senate turned out are the "scariness" of the messaging to normal people. Defund the police, socialism, etc. not the right way to convey the ideas.
At this point I don't think it matters what dems call it. Embrace the hard left ideology and fuck the GOP
Like shit, Republicans managed to paint Joe Biden as a scary socialist. Having a D next to your name puts a target on your back more than your actual policies IMO
Like shit, Republicans managed to paint Joe Biden as a scary socialist. Having a D next to your name puts a target on your back more than your actual policies IMO
Corporate democrats are just trying to deflect the blame after they got their preferred candidate, lost the senate and nearly lost the house, and barely beat the shittiest president ever.
This fucker is stoking a war with Progressives, he needs to shut the fuck up, ever since Biden won he has been running around and running his mouth, my lord.
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Yep. No need to run away from the policies your base wants in response
Yeah, I mean this is just not-so-thinly veiled left punching in the end.
last time i checked no democrats were running on defunding the police, so this just comes across as clyburn telling activists to keep their mouths shut. if he wants to blame someone, look at how feinstein allowed graham to grandstand during the SC hearings. but i guess that might require a little too much self-reflection on the party's part
and this isn't even touching on the fact that harrison could have raised a billion dollars and probably still lost due to trump turning out record numbers
and this isn't even touching on the fact that harrison could have raised a billion dollars and probably still lost due to trump turning out record numbers
'Defund the police' is a bad slogan, because it doesn't actually mean what it sounds like - it means make moderate budget cuts, not eliminate the police altogether.
So you get all the negative hit from the slogan while only actually advocating for weak policy measures. The worst of all worlds.
So you get all the negative hit from the slogan while only actually advocating for weak policy measures. The worst of all worlds.
Trump won South Carolina by 12 points. There was no way you were going to be that big of a split ticket effect in a presidential year in a red state. It was all an illusion and money that should have been sent to the Michigan and North Carolina Senate races.
No, it's horseshit meant to shift blame to progressives in the party for centrist losses. Harrison didn't even support "Defund The Police." Instead, Clyburn is saying that an attack ad that intentionally mischaracterized Harrison as supporting the policy of Defunding The Police resulted in his crushing defeat. That is horse shit.
Harrison lost because he a black D running in South Carolina. He didn't just lose, he was crushed despite having more money, outstanding debate, and Lindsay Graham being a sack of shit. He still lost because the R means more than anything else in SC.
Clyburn is just stoking shit to blame progressives for even speaking about progressive poilicies.
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Yesterday it was progressives, today it's anti-police violence protestors, Clyburn really on a roll.
If it wasn't Defund the Police it'd be something else with Republicans. There will -always- be some fucking awful propaganda on Fox, on TV commercials. It's up to left candidates to overcome that through messaging and outreach.
If it wasn't Defund the Police it'd be something else with Republicans. There will -always- be some fucking awful propaganda on Fox, on TV commercials. It's up to left candidates to overcome that through messaging and outreach.
Uncritically accept right-wing framing and become a party that stands for nothing then wonder why you lose when progressive policies win.
What's the point in voting for Democratic party if they are just "Republican Lite"?
Find a proper way to get the message across, knock on doors and support the people and guess what... you don't get voted out.
Run as a mirage of a Republican and you get voted out.
Find a proper way to get the message across, knock on doors and support the people and guess what... you don't get voted out.
Run as a mirage of a Republican and you get voted out.
the votes weren't even done being counted when corporate dems decided to start attacking black and progressive movements for their own failures
never forget this moment
not only do we need to defund the police we need to defund these corrupt assholes who are so cravenly holding back the will of the people
never forget this moment
not only do we need to defund the police we need to defund these corrupt assholes who are so cravenly holding back the will of the people
I would normally say that he might have a point, that 'Defund Police' may sound scary on it's face value...
...but that's under the assumption that if it was messaged differently people would embrace effective police reform.
Any way the Dems placed it, all that the GOP would have done is gone back to the usual 'Weak on crime!' playbook they used from 1980-2010 and made whatever slogan (if one existed, they haven't needed that in the past) demonized.
...but that's under the assumption that if it was messaged differently people would embrace effective police reform.
Any way the Dems placed it, all that the GOP would have done is gone back to the usual 'Weak on crime!' playbook they used from 1980-2010 and made whatever slogan (if one existed, they haven't needed that in the past) demonized.
It's a good thing it's not a slogan, but a damn demand.
We're trying to not be murdered by fascists police, as has been the status quo since the slave catcher days.
Let people speak their truth.
progressive issues have to come off as moderate message wise but way more liberal once the bills come. That helps to normalize the issue. That's the thing I wish more leftist people would understand with these issues. People are fucking stupid and reactionary you have to soften the message but behind the scenes make the legislation more liberal. That also helps to normalize the issue.
can easy say expand public safety and investment (but reality is moving police budgets away into mental health responders and increase public opportunitie)
Nah that's horseshit framing. It's another attempt to blame progressives for somehow affecting the fact that a diet republican lost.
Democrats need to stop giving a shit about what Republicans are going to do.
Democrats need to stop giving a shit about what Republicans are going to do.
I don't think it appearing over his head had the impact the Clyburn thinks it did.
Divest the police is better, but honestly it's a policy that doesn't lend itself well to slogans considering it really needs to be explained to be understood that it's not just punishing police by taking their money away.
This is how dumbed down you have to make it for people. Or hell don't even talk about the taking from police part. Just say you're putting spending in health care and social workers, etc.
Divest the police is better, but honestly it's a policy that doesn't lend itself well to slogans considering it really needs to be explained to be understood that it's not just punishing police by taking their money away.
This is how dumbed down you have to make it for people. Or hell don't even talk about the taking from police part. Just say you're putting spending in health care and social workers, etc.
Yeah people are adverse to the message, while the same means and outcomes can happen when the legislation comes. This is effective messaging to push general public forward. Also why Medicare for all plays way better than trying to say public option etc.
We set the record for most house seats lost in a year while still winning the presidency.
We were expected to increase our margin but lost 8 seats.
The writing seems to be on the wall on where the Dems are going. Just so everyone understand the socialism label will be used against every agenda and this includes worker rights, human rights, environmental causes, literally everything so say goodbye to any efforts in those things. You'll see lip service but no worthwhile action.
Even if you agree with "defund the police" being a bad play don't get suckered here. For days it's been about the "socialism" tag and "far left ideas." This is a strategy to diminish progressives and if it works say goodbye to all those issues.
Even if you agree with "defund the police" being a bad play don't get suckered here. For days it's been about the "socialism" tag and "far left ideas." This is a strategy to diminish progressives and if it works say goodbye to all those issues.
Disheartening. Dem leadership needs to go in hard like cement.
Just crazy.
Tho I dont think Harrison lost because of that, the phrase "Defund the police" is not popular across the country, even less so with a conservative electorate.
Come up with a better phrase for it. When you're explaining, you're losing.
Come up with a better phrase for it. When you're explaining, you're losing.
Defund the police is and always will be a bad tagline if we want to actually achieve police reform, that being said there isn't really a direct connection to Harrison, who was always a huge underdog and still outperformed for South Carolina standards. It's more of an issue for the House seats we lost, which can more directly tie their losses to the poorly branded movement and which represent real failures to hold on to what should have been winnable seats. Feels like that would be a more logical line of attack for the majority whip
Not even a day since the race was called for Biden and already the narrative is that us pesky blacks with our fringe issues ruined everything for the down ballot races. Literally have learned fuck all.
I hate Democrats sometimes. 😂
I hate Democrats sometimes. 😂
Holes in the messaging are going to allow conservatives to lie and fear monger about it.
For example, we could call it police reform instead. It's not like defunding is the only measure that's needed, and it makes it clearer that we're not simply canceling the police (an easy point to fear-monger on), but making a real effort to change what's there.
For example, we could call it police reform instead. It's not like defunding is the only measure that's needed, and it makes it clearer that we're not simply canceling the police (an easy point to fear-monger on), but making a real effort to change what's there.
Eh, not sure it had the impact he thinks but it is a terrible slogan and perhaps did have some impact. If you explain 'defund the police', many people would agree with it. The idea has been around for a long time, it's not exactly new. But if you don't explain it, which you can't guarantee will happen, especially if explained by sources that disagree with it, many people would think it's something it's not and oppose it. A slogan that requires context to not sound horrible to your average voter is not a good slogan.
Harrison was not winning SC. It was a hope and prayer.
LIndsey Graham sucks, but these powerful Southern Senators will stay entreched since they're they last chance of relevancy at the national stage. It's a historical thing going back since post Civil War.
LIndsey Graham sucks, but these powerful Southern Senators will stay entreched since they're they last chance of relevancy at the national stage. It's a historical thing going back since post Civil War.
Sure but that is part of why the message is so poor. I wouldn't even use police in the slogan.
Idk name it rebuilding americas communities or something.
