Remote play on Xbox supports cell signal, but remote play on playstation requires WiFi

BlueManifest · Nov 11, 2020

Posting this because I want it to be noticed and hope Sony changes it, I just got the series S and the remote play is flawless on it on wifi and still very good even over cellular

was disappointed when I downloaded the remote play app for playstation to find that it only works with wifi, why would anyone force wifi use?

update it please Sony

platocplx · Nov 11, 2020

Because its unreliable? Even in a good coverage area its not that great, on top of if you dont have good internet at home compounded if you are doing wireless on your system. There are tons of points of failure. Sure they could allow it but I'm pretty sure while you may like your experience there, ive run into many issues using a hot spot attempting to play remotely(Which would be the equivalent of cellular)

Delusibeta · Nov 11, 2020

I believe that's in line with the PS4 remote play app. With that said, it's a restriction that's going to be increasingly weird as unlimited mobile data plans become increasingly common, and probably should be removed sooner rather than later.

BlueManifest · Nov 11, 2020

platocplx said:
Because its unreliable? Even in a good coverage area its not that great, on top of if you dont have good internet at home compounded if you are doing wireless on your system. There are tons of points of failure. Sure they could allow it but I'm pretty sure while you may like your experience there, ive run into many issues using a hot spot attempting to play remotely(Which would be the equivalent of cellular)

Wasn't unreliable for me, even if it was it should be my choice to use cellular or not I shouldn't be forced to use wifi, wifi isn't every where

vixolus · Nov 11, 2020

platocplx said:
Because its unreliable? Even in a good coverage area its not that great, on top of if you dont have good internet at home compounded if you are doing wireless on your system. There are tons of points of failure. Sure they could allow it but I'm pretty sure while you may like your experience there, ive run into many issues using a hot spot attempting to play remotely(Which would be the equivalent of cellular)

Who are you to tell someone their experience isn't/won't be good enough because of anecdote? lol

platocplx · Nov 11, 2020

BlueManifest said:
Wasn't unreliable for me, even if it was it should be my choice to use cellular or not I shouldn't be forced to use wifi

Sure. Its still unreliable.

vixolus said:
Who are you to tell someone their experience isn't/won't be good enough because of anecdote? lol

Its not an anecdote. Its reality. Ive been doing remote play way back on PS4, and also traveling in various hotels, etc It was so bad to the point I started traveling with my system.
on top of that unlimited data is not unlimited and most companies WILL throttle you. I think remote play uses like 1GB an hour. You would eat your data and get throttled in less than 20 hours.

kmfdmpig · Nov 11, 2020

Not all cell phone signals are the same. People with a good 5G signal should have the option, so I don't see why Sony's approach makes sense to mandate the choice for people.

night814 · Nov 11, 2020

platocplx said:
Because its unreliable? Even in a good coverage area its not that great, on top of if you dont have good internet at home compounded if you are doing wireless on your system. There are tons of points of failure. Sure they could allow it but I'm pretty sure while you may like your experience there, ive run into many issues using a hot spot attempting to play remotely(Which would be the equivalent of cellular)

Unfortunately for me my work wifi is way less consistent then my data

woolyninja · Nov 11, 2020

Even on 5G cell wouldn't the lag be unbearable?

FAKE EDIT: Did some quick research and it would appear the latency is somewhere around 30ms. So you could definitely play remotely thought you'll definitely encounter a bit of lag (which is expected). Sony may have to rethink the Wifi only stance sometime soon.

BlueManifest · Nov 11, 2020

kmfdmpig said:
Not all cell phone signals are the same. People with a good 5G signal should have the option, so I don't see why Sony's approach makes sense to mandate the choice for people.

I used LTE on series s remote play yesterday and it wasn't as good as wifi but it was good enough to work that I would be willing to use it when there's no wifi. There's no reason for Sony to not allow it

platocplx · Nov 11, 2020

night814 said:
Unfortunately for me my work wifi is way less consistent then my data

Yeah like i stopped even attempting to do remote play, I traveled a lot for work and it got to the point I just brought my PS with me. Trying cellular hot spots and even hotel WiFi it was so awful.

BlueManifest said:
I used LTE on series s remote play yesterday and it wasn't as good as wifi but it was good enough to work that I would be willing to use it when there's no wifi

What's your data usage after an hour of use.

jon bones · Nov 11, 2020

I imagine Sony will update this as 5G becomes more popular.

prophetvx · Nov 11, 2020

Download the PS Play app, it's way better than the remote play app from Sony. I'm sure it won't be long before PS5 is supported as well.

RROCKMAN · Nov 11, 2020

LMAO Sony did a damn good job hiding all of their BS til right before launch

Damn good thing they have FF7 on lock cause they've just been making the deal worse with each passing day

Schreckstoff · Nov 11, 2020

platocplx said:
Its not an anecdote. Its reality. Ive been doing remote play way back on PS4, and also traveling in various hotels, etc It was so bad to the point I started traveling with my system.
on top of that unlimited data is not unlimited and most companies WILL throttle you. I think remote play uses like 1GB an hour. You would eat your data and get throttled in less than 20 hours.

those are arguments why you shouldn't use it, not why you shouldn't be able to use it.

Tiago Rodrigues · Nov 11, 2020

Something that they can easily patch. Just like the 1440p support.

BlueManifest · Nov 11, 2020

platocplx said:
What's your data usage after an hour of use.

Didn't check, I'm guessing it's around the same as cloud streaming

TitlePending · Nov 11, 2020

jon bones said:
I imagine Sony will update this as 5G becomes more popular.

And given the pandemic situation w/ much of the world working from home, I'd imagine this is a low priority.

platocplx · Nov 11, 2020

Schreckstoff said:
those are arguments why you shouldn't use it, not why you shouldn't be able to use it.

I never said they shouldnt be able to, but reality is data usage is so high and lag can be all over the place its not the greatest experience for long sessions. Sure sony can enable it.

maks · Nov 11, 2020

I find Sony remote play to be more laggy and less consistent than Microsoft offering. Perhaps on mobile networks it is even more apparent. I would also want Sony to allow more controller support. I dont have an android os 10 device which is also limiting choice for me.

There are plenty of games to play that do not require low latency to enjoy.

prophetvx · Nov 11, 2020

RROCKMAN said:
LMAO Sony did a damn good job hiding all of their BS til right before launch

Damn good thing they have FF7 on lock cause they've just been making the deal worse with each passing day

"Hiding it" ? The remote play app has existed for 4 years, this isn't a new revelation. It doesn't even support third party controllers or stream quality controls, I don't know why people would suddenly expect this support to change with the PS5.

Deleted member 10726 · Nov 11, 2020

There are way too many factors influencing whether the experience on data is worthwhile for remote play or it isn't, so Sony should not make the decision for the players and give people the option. If it sucks on data, they won't have to use it, but at the very least they get to make the choice themselves.

mute · Nov 11, 2020

Oh fuck off Sony. Always been this way.

Afrikan · Nov 11, 2020

RROCKMAN said:
LMAO Sony did a damn good job hiding all of their BS til right before launch

Damn good thing they have FF7 on lock cause they've just been making the deal worse with each passing day

bigbaldwolf86 · Nov 11, 2020

RROCKMAN said:
LMAO Sony did a damn good job hiding all of their BS til right before launch

Damn good thing they have FF7 on lock cause they've just been making the deal worse with each passing day

Someone needs a break from the internet

Mahonay · Nov 11, 2020

RROCKMAN said:
LMAO Sony did a damn good job hiding all of their BS til right before launch

Damn good thing they have FF7 on lock cause they've just been making the deal worse with each passing day

Deleted member 45130 · Nov 11, 2020

You ever tried playing remotely via 4G? It's not worth it.

NuclearDistortion · Nov 11, 2020

Delusibeta said:
I believe that's in line with the PS4 remote play app. With that said, it's a restriction that's going to be increasingly weird as unlimited mobile data plans become increasingly common, and probably should be removed sooner rather than later.

In the US maybe - no way we are getting unlimited cell data plans with the Big 3 (Rogers/Telus/Bell) in Canada anytime soon....or ever sadly.

Grouch Douglass · Nov 11, 2020

Hopefully it makes sense to patch this at a later time. Even 5G data plans will throttle users who use too much.

BlueManifest · Nov 11, 2020

HairyFist87 said:
You ever tried playing remotely via 4G? It's not worth it.

Yes I just did it yesterday, worked good enough that I would use it when there's no wifi around

Fisty · Nov 11, 2020

Can't imagine how quickly I would hit my 50GB Tmo cap, and then be throttled for the rest of the month. No thanks.

Also, there was a hacked RP app for Android which let you play over cell, and it wasn't worth it anyway

KalBalboa · Nov 11, 2020

jon bones said:
I imagine Sony will update this as 5G becomes more popular.

This is my estimation.

ShapeGSX · Nov 11, 2020

Just create a WiFi hotspot and connect to your own Wifi hotspot on the same phone. Easy.

(yes, I know this doesn't work)

platocplx · Nov 11, 2020

Fisty said:
Can't imagine how quickly I would hit my 50GB Tmo cap, and then be throttled for the rest of the month. No thanks.

Also, there was a hacked RP app for Android which let you play over cell, and it wasn't worth it anyway

I think the rate is at least 1GB an hour, yeah I even used the hacked one back in the day. I think Sony pushes bitrate high because if the wifi is shit I've had issues too.

dose · Nov 11, 2020

Totally surmising, but maybe because for a lot of 3g/4g users it won't be a great experience they've limited it to wifi to ensure it works as it should. You don't want users to try it on 4g with a poor signal, think it's shit and not use it again.

Right · Nov 11, 2020

I think it supported cell signals originally, but they removed the functionality a few years later

BlueManifest · Nov 11, 2020

dose said:
Totally surmising, but maybe because for a lot of 3g/4g users it won't be a great experience they've limited it to wifi to ensure it works as it should. You don't want users to try it on 4g with a poor signal, think it's shit and not use it again.

Have a recommended wifi message when the app starts problem solved

thecaseace · Nov 11, 2020

platocplx said:
Because its unreliable? Even in a good coverage area its not that great, on top of if you dont have good internet at home compounded if you are doing wireless on your system. There are tons of points of failure. Sure they could allow it but I'm pretty sure while you may like your experience there, ive run into many issues using a hot spot attempting to play remotely(Which would be the equivalent of cellular)

Let people have the option. I've played hours of Gamepass and supported online games via tethering on cellular data

They should give people the option and do what every online service with cellular option has ever done and say:

"Performance may vary over mobile data connections, we advise using wifi"

Job done and everyone gets the option that's right for them.

It's much worse to cut people off from cellular especiially when some people are getting hundreds of megabits down on 5g?

bsigg · Nov 11, 2020

platocplx said:
Because its unreliable? Even in a good coverage area its not that great, on top of if you dont have good internet at home compounded if you are doing wireless on your system. There are tons of points of failure. Sure they could allow it but I'm pretty sure while you may like your experience there, ive run into many issues using a hot spot attempting to play remotely(Which would be the equivalent of cellular)

There's no harm enabling it and locking it behind a setting. I'm sure they will in a few years once 5G is more prevalent as well.

Fisty · Nov 11, 2020

platocplx said:
I think the rate is at least 1GB an hour, yeah I even used the hacked one back in the day. I think Sony pushes bitrate high because if the wifi is shit I've had issues too.

I think it might be higher than that, arent video captures 1GB for 15 min? I assume they are just sending the raw hardware encode to cut down on delay. Maybe 1GB per 15 min is at 1080p, not sure

platocplx · Nov 11, 2020

Brokenlynx said:
Let people have the option. I've played hours of Gamepass and supported online games via tethering on cellular data

They should give people the option and do what every online service with cellular option has ever done and say:

"Performance may vary over mobile data connections, we advise using wifi"

Job done and everyone gets the option that's right for them.

It's much worse to cut people off from cellular especiially when some people are getting hundreds of megabits down on 5g?

If the performance is always bad then exactly what's the point? People literally had unlocked remote play on android and consensus was it was not worth it. If 5G works out well and they actually bump data caps on unlimited then yes it would work well. Esp if they downgrade the video.

bsigg said:
There's no harm enabling it and locking it behind a setting. I'm sure they will in a few years once 5G is more prevalent as well.

Sure. But you still have data caps on bandwith after you exceed a certain amount. Look at data usage after an hour of play. You will be throttled if you hit it heavy. They can enable it but most people aren't going to use it reliably. It doesn't even work to well depending on wifi connections either and I've been in various hotels for work from Marriott to Hilton etc. I relegated to traveling with my system instead. When I was traveling the last two years.

Fisty said:
I think it might be higher than that, arent video captures 1GB for 15 min? I assume they are just sending the raw hardware encode to cut down on delay. Maybe 1GB per 15 min is at 1080p, not sure

That's honestly a conservative estimate it def may be higher.

BlueManifest · Nov 11, 2020

platocplx said:
If the performance is always bad then exactly what's the point?

It's not always bad I just used it yesterday on my series S, maybe my area just has a good signal I'm sure some areas are better than others

Expy · Nov 11, 2020

I haven't update my app in a while.

But I used to be able to do remote play on LTE on my Android device just fine.

platocplx · Nov 11, 2020

BlueManifest said:
It's not always bad I just used it yesterday on my series S, maybe my area just has a good signal I'm sure some areas are better than others

Yeah it def can, it's a crap shoot. I'm not arguing that they shouldn't have it, just more it's shit at least on the Sony side, like bad enough even hotel wifi even on their premium internet it's not reliable to the point I think they are using a heavy bitrate to enable it to be more reliable where then data usage is way higher, and need better bandwidth.

The Pet of the Month · Nov 11, 2020

When I used my 5G signal XCloud and remote play played really well, to my surprise. Still, remote play kinda sucks and I much prefer playing locally.

The option should be provided though.

riotous · Nov 11, 2020

With 5g becoming more prevalent, maybe Sony will change this?

Probably just trying to protect themselves from complaints because historically remote play over cellular would have been terrible (and still is for most places.)

bsigg · Nov 11, 2020

platocplx said:
Sure. But you still have data caps on bandwith after you exceed a certain amount. Look at data usage after an hour of play. You will be throttled if you hit it heavy. They can enable it but most people aren't going to use it reliably. It doesn't even work to well depending on wifi connections either and I've been in various hotels for work from Marriott to Hilton etc. I relegated to traveling with my system instead. When I was traveling the last two years.

I don't think anyone is going to be playing for multiple hours per day on a cell network when using remote play. It's definitely more for shorter sessions and when traveling like you mentioned, you're better off playing via PSnow or xCloud since you're likely going to have a connection closer to a data center than you will your home console. If the game you want to play isn't available on those services, then you'll just be dealing with macroblocking more than anything depending on your home network setup when playing from long distances.

platocplx · Nov 11, 2020

bsigg said:
I don't think anyone is going to be playing for multiple hours per day on a cell network when using remote play. It's definitely more for shorter sessions and when traveling like you mentioned, you're better off playing via PSnow or xCloud since you're likely going to have a connection closer to a data center than you will your home console. If the game you want to play isn't available on those services, then you'll just be dealing with macroblocking more than anything depending on your home network setup when playing from long distances.

This pretty much it cloud is great vs all the factors with the home console. It's honestly at best in the house and I like it when you can't use the tv it's connected to at the moment etc. but remote yea anything longer than 30 mins it's not reliable.

honorless · Nov 11, 2020

Unless Sony has changed their policy they're still letting publishers block remote play completely, so I dunno if they'd care about providing more options for people to use it as they wish.

Does Microsoft let publishers block remote play for any games? Curious.

Lord Azrael · Nov 11, 2020

Yeah it's a dumb restriction. Even my 4G LTE cell signal is better than my WiFi

Remote play on Xbox supports cell signal, but remote play on playstation requires WiFi

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