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Remember the Unlimited Detail engine claim by that Euclideon company, was it just a hoax?
- Thread starter Segafreak
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It wasn't a scam.
It's just tech that has way too many unsolvable limitations (without extreme performance consequences) to actually be used in real AAA games.
It's just tech that has way too many unsolvable limitations (without extreme performance consequences) to actually be used in real AAA games.
Might see a return of this with the faster SSDs. Makes sense from a technical perspective, but limits on data size and speed made it a nonstarter for the games industry.
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This immediately came to mind after the UE5 tech demo. Couldn't remember the details for it to save my life. Thanks for bringing this up, OP
It wasn't all bullshit, but the limitations made it def unsuitable for actual use to ship a title while making bold claims and being outright bullish towards the rest of the industry for "not seeing the light".
The tech would still be useless today in video games. Sparse voxel octrees are great to show single models with insane detail, but have huge disadvantages like the way it stores data that makes it very hard to work with and is very memory intensive. Def not a technique that is ideal for interactive worlds.
Its claims that it will offer "unlimited detail" was nonsense
as far as I remember they simply instanced a few models and scattered them around trying to build other things with them, like bricks. While it represented a lot of geometry, good luck in trying to convince an industry to start building actual walls in games by manually placing bricks.
The tech would still be useless today in video games. Sparse voxel octrees are great to show single models with insane detail, but have huge disadvantages like the way it stores data that makes it very hard to work with and is very memory intensive. Def not a technique that is ideal for interactive worlds.
Its claims that it will offer "unlimited detail" was nonsense
as far as I remember they simply instanced a few models and scattered them around trying to build other things with them, like bricks. While it represented a lot of geometry, good luck in trying to convince an industry to start building actual walls in games by manually placing bricks.
Feel like Dreams for PS4 has achieved what they were claiming back then (to an extent, no infinite detail, lol)
It wasn't a hoax, they just vastly oversold the premise and usability of their own technology in real world applications, Unreal Engine 5 does exactly what what they set out to do in the context of a real-time gaming engine.
The problem is primarily in terms of how big these assets are on disk, we are talking about a ton of data that needs to be streamed in, and I'm curious how Unreal Engine 5 addresses this issue. The I/O in Playstation 5 is what finally makes this possible and I imagine Unreal Engine 5 stores several point cloud versions of a mesh on disk to have the best possible version to calculate the final triangles from with the least I/O overhead possible.
I expect that Unreal Engine 5 applications that uses this technology with be significantly larger than games we have today simply due to the amount of data it needs to calculate triangles from a runtime and any shipping products will need to simplify these point clouds to a certain degree to ensure viable file sizes on these relatively small 1tb drives the next gen systems have.
We don't know a lot about how Epic achieves the results they do, but the immediate downside of it seems to be a massive increase in stored geometry on disk.
The problem is primarily in terms of how big these assets are on disk, we are talking about a ton of data that needs to be streamed in, and I'm curious how Unreal Engine 5 addresses this issue. The I/O in Playstation 5 is what finally makes this possible and I imagine Unreal Engine 5 stores several point cloud versions of a mesh on disk to have the best possible version to calculate the final triangles from with the least I/O overhead possible.
I expect that Unreal Engine 5 applications that uses this technology with be significantly larger than games we have today simply due to the amount of data it needs to calculate triangles from a runtime and any shipping products will need to simplify these point clouds to a certain degree to ensure viable file sizes on these relatively small 1tb drives the next gen systems have.
We don't know a lot about how Epic achieves the results they do, but the immediate downside of it seems to be a massive increase in stored geometry on disk.
They have a bunch of videos showing off stuff. One of them allegedly shows them winning a Best Technology award from SEVID.
Personally, I'm cautiously optimistic. You be the judge.
Personally, I'm cautiously optimistic. You be the judge.