The Inhumans have never been interesting enough by themselves despite multiple attempts to make them a thing. Cool ensemble pieces to a greater story (like Annihilation-era Cosmic Marvel) but not enough that anyone cares beyond a few characters.
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Remember that god awful time Marvel tried to replace mutans/X-men with Inhumans?
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Barely related but it'll always be funny to me how the second My Hero Academia movie just blatantly stole Medusa and used her for a villain.
Not in detail, which means its likely tied to the struggle behind the scenes between Feige and Perlmutter. Perlmutter is usually given credit for the decision to push Inhumans as a X-Men analogue.
I could have sworn Hickman retconned this into being a joke Torch played on the Thing. Like Ben is talking to a dog and the inhumans go "no... thats just a dog."
It sucks because all it's done is straight-up torpedo the likeability of Inhumans as a property. People are actively cheering for such a swing-back for X-Men that it renders Inhumans completely irrelevant if not dead (and why not, part of Inhumanity involved giving mutants magic cancer so it's not like it's unfair play) with people wanting Kamala retconned into a mutant to distance her from them.
They have as much of a place in the grander MU as any other and if the MCU is willing to give the goddamn Eternals a space then there's no reason the Inhumans don't deserve one.
They have as much of a place in the grander MU as any other and if the MCU is willing to give the goddamn Eternals a space then there's no reason the Inhumans don't deserve one.
Pretty sure it was long before Hickman, but yeah, they retconned it into being a joke they played on Ben.
They aren't dead. They'll be recast and rebooted, as shown in the Ms. Marvel footage we've gotten with a very clear depiction of Maximus.
What do you mean? X-Men are better than they've been in a long time in the comics and we all know that they're coming to the mcu sooner or later.
Eternals if anything might actually explain how we get to mutants.
That's good. Because if he was originally a person, he's an old man pretending to be a dog to hang out in teenage girls' bedrooms.
Specifically, John Byrne wrote an issue where Lockjaw speaks to Ben Grimm, revealing that he was mutated by Terrigenesis. Later, after editorial realized that this meant the Inhumans were treating a person who was horribly mutated into a new form as a pet, Peter David retconned it that Lockjaw is just a dog and the Inhumans played a prank on Ben.
Eh I kind of liked the comics and the tension brewing between Inhumans and Mutants. I never got around to reading past the first year or so, though.
The one good thing about that push, and she's the one who ends up getting in the MCU.
But seriously, fuck Perlmutter. Hopefully Feige can salvage the Inhumans. And going by what we've seen of Ms. Marvel, Marvel Studios may be planning to do just that.
Thank you! I was trying to remember the last FF I read, but it all runs together.
Ah apparently the official word is thst he is just a mutated dog.
The Strange History of Marvel's Lockjaw
As he gets set to make his TV debut, learn whether Lockjaw is a mutated Inhuman person or a mutated Inhuman dog.
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Was just about to post this.
Had recently read about how uncomfortable Kevin Feige was with this show but Ike Perlmuter pushed it right through. Gotta love them adding "Season 8 of Dexter/Season 1 of Iron Fist" legend Scott Buck as the head writer and showrunner.
Inhumans, at least, are easy enough to bring in without raising too many eyebrows since the Kree were already introduced.
The Eternals are going to be a bit weird since you need to explain why these practically immortal and unstoppable superheroes didn't raise a finger to stop Thanos, despite knowing about him long before anyone else. If even one is comparable to Carol in power, then they could've taken Thanos out before he even got one Infinity Gem.
I mean, it's literally a bummer that we're not going to get Black Bolt in the MCU.
But yeah, this is years of Marvel's mismanagement coming back to bite them. Feige can't handle all of it an the people tasked with the other parts of the business fumbled it almost constantly.
But yeah, this is years of Marvel's mismanagement coming back to bite them. Feige can't handle all of it an the people tasked with the other parts of the business fumbled it almost constantly.
Inhumans were a relic of the Ike Perlmutter era. Same guy who insisted on pumping out Thor and Iron Man sequels rather than expanding the Marvel world, same guy who chased Edgar Wright away from Ant-man, same guy who refused to make Black Panther/Captain Marvel because "those demographics don't pay to see super hero movies", same guy who said that no one would notice if he recast Rhody and yeah, the same guy who went out of his way to choke out any references to mutants or the F4 to spite Fox.
I'm pretty happy he's no longer in charge.
The Eternals aren't a great group to introduce after Endgame. It's introducing a whole new race, for the most part, with an entire new set of mythologies, who have no name or face recognition with the characters. You do a slow introduction (more than the few passing references in Phase 1-4) of them, as opposed to leading with them and then waiting until post-2025 for the mutants.
Yeah, this is what I was going to say. As occasional suped up side characters in FF stories they were fine, and you had a deus ex machina in Black Bolt's seemingly unlimited power (if unleashed). As a regular series, though? The tv show, while terrible, really emphasized what makes these characters hard to write: they are a ruling class who basically subjugate whatever inhumans they find, then subject them to terrigen mists to unlock their potential one way or another. It made it really really hard to care about the tv Black Bolt and his privileged family when hey, maybe Maximus was right all along (in concept). I mean think about your favorite Inhumans: probably Ms. Marvel, AoS Quake, maybe Inferno. All are basically humans who happened to be Inhumans.
Also, I never understood as a kid why they kind of just forgave Maximus over and over and over only for it to bite them again and again.
One of the best Inhumans stories, the Jenkins/Jae Lee mini, had several things going for it: it was a miniseries, the point of view wasn't one of the royal family, and it portrayed them as dicks. Meanwhile, Inhumans vs. X-men tried to "both sides" the factions where one side was being destroyed by a floating cloud and the other side was basically "well, you can't destroy that cloud, we need it for reasons, screw you."
Mutant hitler indeed. That was probably one of the most disappointing reveals ever, and for comics that's saying something.
Shouldn't that have ripped his arm off to have a hulk propelled backwards at the force of his voice hanging off of himThe tv series is abysmal but I like the Inhumans in general.
Still love the World War Hulk moment with Hulk vs Black Bolt
Wasn't this also the reason why MvC Infinite had a such cast?
When you're trying to hold back a sneeze.
Reminds me when Marvel released a promotional shot of a bunch of their most prominent characters around like three and a half years ago and it included zero mutants but the entire Inhuman royal family.
It just looks so desperate. Like... man, Marvel, no one in the history of the universe has ever given a shit about Triton.
It just looks so desperate. Like... man, Marvel, no one in the history of the universe has ever given a shit about Triton.
At least it gave us some good books (Soule's Inhumans, Ms. Marvel, Moon Girl, Black Bolt) until CB and Cates killed them off as the middle finger and pushed the X Men with Hickman, could have just did the latter but you can tell CB hated them.
Also yeah, the AAA games have that stink to them, even Lego Marvel 2 where half of the cast was replace by alt versions of the cast at times.
And of course, Inhumans would have come out by now with Ike wasn't a dipshit and took the ball and gave it to Scott Buck who ruined the Inhumans, Iron Fist and the Netflix MCU in one fell swoop of a year.
Maybe Kamala's show will help bring them back.
Also yeah, the AAA games have that stink to them, even Lego Marvel 2 where half of the cast was replace by alt versions of the cast at times.
And of course, Inhumans would have come out by now with Ike wasn't a dipshit and took the ball and gave it to Scott Buck who ruined the Inhumans, Iron Fist and the Netflix MCU in one fell swoop of a year.
Maybe Kamala's show will help bring them back.
Also the posters and shirt that edited them outReminds me when Marvel released a promotional shot of a bunch of their most prominent characters around like three and a half years ago and it included zero mutants but the entire Inhuman royal family.
It just looks so desperate. Like... man, Marvel, no one in the history of the universe has ever given a shit about Triton.
The tv series is abysmal but I like the Inhumans in general.
Still love the World War Hulk moment with Hulk vs Black Bolt
A World War Hulk movie is something I want.
Reminds me when Marvel released a promotional shot of a bunch of their most prominent characters around like three and a half years ago and it included zero mutants but the entire Inhuman royal family.
It just looks so desperate. Like... man, Marvel, no one in the history of the universe has ever given a shit about Triton.
No mutants, no Fantastic Four. If Sony didn't make nice with them I wonder if they'd have been bold enough to edit out Spider-man. Eh, Daredevil can take his place, right?
Yeah, what Marvel did during that period was one of the most childishly petty thing I've ever seen a major entertainment company do. Completely blacklisting some of their most popular and iconic characters from most of their media/merchandise just because they didn't have the film rights to them at the time, just to spite Fox...
Fucking Perlmutter.
Fucking Perlmutter.
I mean, this petty-ass decision arguably killed Marvel Infinite.
I think it may have poisoned the well for the Inhumans for a lot of fans with the whole no X-Men thing. It was one thing though having Marvel down play all the X-men and cancel the FF's book, but it was another when they were outright removing them from things that they otherwise were in. It certainly didn't help out Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite (though that still would have probably had issues).
It also certainly doesn't help that there's really not enough history or development to replace the X-men. I think some of them have some good core concepts, but they always just show up and then fade out because they can't carry a book. Still, after 50 years, has anything really developed with Triton? Karnak's got a cool power, but he was just that guy with that one cool power until after decades he got a mini-series, and even then, I'm not sure how that went for him. Like maybe you can try to revitalize the Inhumans or maybe get a TV Series or movie a push (if you have writing or budget for them) but you can't erase the X-men for that.
It also certainly doesn't help that there's really not enough history or development to replace the X-men. I think some of them have some good core concepts, but they always just show up and then fade out because they can't carry a book. Still, after 50 years, has anything really developed with Triton? Karnak's got a cool power, but he was just that guy with that one cool power until after decades he got a mini-series, and even then, I'm not sure how that went for him. Like maybe you can try to revitalize the Inhumans or maybe get a TV Series or movie a push (if you have writing or budget for them) but you can't erase the X-men for that.