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Remember Sonic the Hedgehog 4?
- Thread starter NuclearCake
- Start date
It was an ugly game with terrible physics and largely awful music made with cat noises.
Episode II is fairly solid though and had some cool tracks.
Episode II is fairly solid though and had some cool tracks.
It was OK but I have zero desire to revisit it. Even beat the mobile version of Ep 1. The name was always a corny thing. Treating numbered sequels as better or more consistent is one of those things I'll never get on board with the rest of the industry over.
I'm of the controversial view that Ep 1 was better than Ep 2 in all ways but bosses, but mostly that's because the extra moves in Ep 2 rarely added to the design and just serve to produce new end-of-level death traps, a later series design staple I dislike.
I'm of the controversial view that Ep 1 was better than Ep 2 in all ways but bosses, but mostly that's because the extra moves in Ep 2 rarely added to the design and just serve to produce new end-of-level death traps, a later series design staple I dislike.
It was fine, even as 4. Continued the legacy of trash that was 3 anyway.
Did the developers of 4 at least get compensated properly?
Did the developers of 4 at least get compensated properly?
Episode 1 was very bad, and I wasn't crazy about the "buddy" mechanic for Episode 2 with the little animation that you did every time.
I really wish they didn't call it 4 but whatever.
I really wish they didn't call it 4 but whatever.
I try not to.
Okay they aren't THAT bad, but horribly mediocre and not at all deserving of their title.
Okay they aren't THAT bad, but horribly mediocre and not at all deserving of their title.
The day stages in the SD version of Unleashed were pretty damn good too.
I really tried to enjoy it when I got it for WiiWare but just couldn't... I remember playing the Genesis games on PC as a kid with those shady emulator downloads and Sonic Advance on VisualBoyAdvance and recall Sonic "4" playing nothing like those games and feeling much inferior.
I forgot Sonic 4 was a thing before Mania was even announced. It's best to leave that game in the bowels of gaming history
The visuals in some levels really were a great marrying between the Adventure and Classic aesthetic. That first level that jumps between highway and Green Hill like visuals really was excellent artistically. The Advance games became more abstract with time, but 1 had a great art direction.Ah yes, Sonic 4
I thought the bosses were pretty cool in SONIC 2, much more original than the rehashes in EP1, and you actually had to use your abilities to win
Honestly the ADVANCE games were so good looking they surpass SONIC RUSH and Mania in some areas, despite being on weak hardware i find the texture and detail/artwork to be lovely
I actually had a fair amount of fun with Episode 2. A cute game with its own visual style (and not the product of whatever shit algorithm they fed Sonic 1 assets into for Episode 1), and it just generally felt like the people calling the shots gave a shit.
Still, Dimps should never ever touch a Sonic game again. Ever.
Still, Dimps should never ever touch a Sonic game again. Ever.
Can't agree about Mania, but Rush was a huge step down artistically for sure.
It's too bad that SEGA didn't hire Dimps to make another Rush game instead of Sonic 4. The DS games were great and would've been a great fit for XBLA or PSN.
Wishful fantasy: Sega allows the Mania developers to remake Sonic 4 as a single game so that the name isn't tarnished and wasted. Those who own Episode I or II gets a discount if buying it for the same platform family (PlayStation or Xbox).
Not even remotely worth it considering that the majority of levels from both Sonic 4 directly ape the art style and/or music from the classic games.
It would be nice if SEGA actually hired the Mania team to make a new game though. Fucking nuts that the game performed so well and SEGA have not hired them again.
I only remembered Sonic 4 only because I read the thread title. I completely considered EP1 and EP2 nonexistant
No lies detected here
Ah yes, Sonic 4
No lies detected here
Par for the course for Sega. Find something that works? Ignore it.
Generations received good marks by audiences and critics. Sequel? Nah. We'll do Forces, a follow-up that isn't nearly as good, a number of years too late.
Mania was the best received Sonic game in two full decades. Sequel? Nah. Not even a peep of what's next.
Mania 2 is all I even need. There is so much more they could do. Aside from brand new zones, they could surprise fans with zones based on some of the Game Gear games or even something from one of the Adventure games.
Give me a Toxic Caves Zone in Mania 2.
I had a similar idea for Generations 2. Why not levels based on obscure or non-Sonic levels? Pumpkin Hill, Spinball, Game Gear, etc.
Nearly 7 or 8 years ago Starbucks gave away codes for Sonic 4. No purchase necessary, just pick up the card with the code on it.
Worst gaming purchase I ever made.
Worst gaming purchase I ever made.
it could be happening. there hasn't been a followup to sonic forces either. and mania had the additional plus content 18 months ago as the most recent new sonic material, and it was joined by a retail release that did pretty well too.
At some point in Mania 2, this would need to make its way into the game in a surprising way:
(1 minute in if it doesn't work.)
Episode 1 feels like a tech demo, Episode 2 is really interesting and has potential but is bogged down by a bunch of issues
I hope so. Is there sales data for Mania? Last I heard it did about a million, which, imo, isn't exactly great considering the series' potential. Better than Forves though, thankfully.
Dont forget how it starts on a beach! You're right, the art direction was really great.Egg Rocket was a standout. You start on earth with this climatic sunset view:
Then you literally climb a rocket as it ascends into the sky; each section breaking off as you go higher until you finally reach outer space.
Episode 2 was alright. Worst than 1-2-3&K and Mania (and Generations), but better than everything else, yes that includes Sonic CD .
Edit: never played the Advanced games
Edit: never played the Advanced games
i thought we are talking about sonic and knuckles, then i was questioning myself, "why not? its a great game" only after watching the trailer i remembered, my brain deleted it, amazing
Definitely not 5, because that acknowledges 4's very existence.
Classic numbered sequels are forever tainted.
I went back and booted up Episode 1 after reading this thread, and honestly, the physics are the biggest issue. Getting stuck and losing momentum sucks.
No, the million announcement came not too long after release. We have no idea what it's sold since then, and we've heard nothing at all about the physical version. The physical version at least sold well enough that Sega released another physical version about a month ago without the Plus DLC and art book (presumably to have a cheaper version of the game on store shelves in time for the holiday season). They wouldn't have released a second physical edition if the first one bombed.
It doesn't deserve to be numbered. EP1 was below average. EP2 was average. But meh at the end of the day. Really forgettable.
Mania is the real Sonic 4 we deserve.
Mania is the real Sonic 4 we deserve.
Loved everything about Sonic 4, apart from the god damn character physics. They way you jumped just felt that the gravity was that of the moon instead of the physics of the originals. Oh and lack of original character model I.E generations.
