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Release Mario Sunshine from the Nintendo prison
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Agree with Sunshine, but wind waker is one of the best games ever made. Not perfect of course, but it is an incredible game.
There are always filler games like that tenis game, but for the most part first part games on the wiiu were gold.
Always felt like revisionist history to me. Because prior to 2012 barely anyone gave a shit about MM and for good reasons.
It would basically need to be remade to make it worthwhile. Sunshine is such a wonky game, and it would need to be adjusted to work with digital triggers.
Sunshine was a beautiful setting but one of the worst Mario games, because of FLUDD.
FLUDD simply was a pain in the ass. So was having to refill FLUDD, and use FLUDD to simultaneously clean shit and fight off those glop monsters while the camera is zoomed in way too far. I remember the stage boss of some gopher thing shooting bombs, being the point where I just gave up. A sheer pain in the ass to reach, and then getting killed or knocked off just wasn't fun.
Mario Sunshine's best parts where the stages without FLUDD. Anyone who denies that is lying.
FLUDD simply was a pain in the ass. So was having to refill FLUDD, and use FLUDD to simultaneously clean shit and fight off those glop monsters while the camera is zoomed in way too far. I remember the stage boss of some gopher thing shooting bombs, being the point where I just gave up. A sheer pain in the ass to reach, and then getting killed or knocked off just wasn't fun.
Mario Sunshine's best parts where the stages without FLUDD. Anyone who denies that is lying.
Incredible or not (it is), the game is obviously undercooked. Just look at the lack of a dungeon for the third pearl, or the triforce quest.
After beating it once completely, I really don't have any intention of ever playing it again in the way it was released. Very questionable design decisions were made in Sunshine. 64, both Galaxies and Odyssey are far better games.
I'd prefer if they did a full remake of it rather than a remaster, kinda like what they did with Mario 64 DS.
Redesign the blue coin challenge (or let you unlock a map of them or something), tweak a couple of the more annoying Shines, add a level or two, stuff like that.
I'd still love the game and I'm sure I'd buy a straight HD re-release if it came to Switch, but I'd really love for the game to get the extra layer of refinement it deserves.
Redesign the blue coin challenge (or let you unlock a map of them or something), tweak a couple of the more annoying Shines, add a level or two, stuff like that.
I'd still love the game and I'm sure I'd buy a straight HD re-release if it came to Switch, but I'd really love for the game to get the extra layer of refinement it deserves.
Sunshine has the highest highs and lowest lows of any 3D Mario for me. If Nintendo could ditch some of the jank levels and tweak the camera a bit, I'd be all for a switch port. Especially if you could use the joycon to point Fluud, making the running-while-spraying parts more controllable.
edit: like what the poster above me said
edit: like what the poster above me said
I recently played it on Dolphin and while it is a good looking game, the gameplay game levels/design are a bit outdated. Those Galaxy-like missions are surprisingly tough and those races are pretty annoying if you don't learn the short cuts. FLUDD gameplay can be fun at times but on platforming sections it can also be a bit annoying when you fail or fall down and have to start all over.
If anything, this game needs a remake or a sequel. I'm fine with a port but its not going to be received well by today's Mario Odyssey fans.
If anything, this game needs a remake or a sequel. I'm fine with a port but its not going to be received well by today's Mario Odyssey fans.
I love this game and there are only like 3 missions that really piss me off. The pachinko level comes to mind and then the one on the toxic water slide where you have to collect 8 red coins. I believe it even was a pain in the ass to get there cause you have to ride on the boats with Yoshi.
Oh and getting all blue coins, you have to be a little masochistic for that.
Oh and getting all blue coins, you have to be a little masochistic for that.
Leave it there at least until they release the superior Super Mario Galaxy first. Not even Odyssey touched that masterpiece.
See? This person gets it.
The problem with Sunshine is that it's probobaly the least user friendly Mario game ever made. It practically assumes that you have played and gotten pretty good at Mario 64 and are familiar with all of that games Advanced movement options. It expects the player to already knows how to perform the Forward Dive jump, which in this game is the Long Jump equivalent from Mario 64 or the incredibly useful spin jump. Which the game does not tell you at all how to do in game. Which leads to much frustration from new players especially in those obstacle course levels. The game never teaches you how to slide or practically anything else. It just expects you to already know all of this stuff which is pretty bad considering how complex the control scheme is for a Mario game. Nintendo realized this issues thankfully when developing Odyssey and included a Movement list in the menu and a brief tutorial.
I seriously believe that had they done a similar thing with Sunshine, the game would have been looked back on much more fondly. Not to mention because Susnhine is a early 2002 game and this is Nintendo they won't let you have any options to adjust the camera movement speed or even invert the camera controls. So you end up with this awkward camera system that in theory is really good, only when you get used to it. When i was watching Giantbomb play this game for the first time, it just dawned on me how poorly the game communicates anything to the player. Yes they did suck at the game but i don't think it was entirely their fault, it just really crystallized why Nintendo went in the restrictive and hand holdy design philosophy during the Wii era.
If Nintendo does a HD remake of this game they really only need to add some quality of life improvements and tweaks and have the game run at 60fps (Like it was originally going to even as late as E3 2002) It would turn out pretty great.
I seriously believe that had they done a similar thing with Sunshine, the game would have been looked back on much more fondly. Not to mention because Susnhine is a early 2002 game and this is Nintendo they won't let you have any options to adjust the camera movement speed or even invert the camera controls. So you end up with this awkward camera system that in theory is really good, only when you get used to it. When i was watching Giantbomb play this game for the first time, it just dawned on me how poorly the game communicates anything to the player. Yes they did suck at the game but i don't think it was entirely their fault, it just really crystallized why Nintendo went in the restrictive and hand holdy design philosophy during the Wii era.
If Nintendo does a HD remake of this game they really only need to add some quality of life improvements and tweaks and have the game run at 60fps (Like it was originally going to even as late as E3 2002) It would turn out pretty great.
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I'd love to have Sunshine on the Switch but it seriously needs a remake more than a remaster. The original Sunshine is a game I both love a lot, but also recognize it has some horrible lows for a 3D Mario game. Some content needs to be redone and they straight up need to add more locales to visit. The blue coin system is just...blegh.
Sunshine's not a bad game but having replayed all the 3D Marios before Odyssey came out, it was the only one where I felt it was actively trying to keep me from having fun. I especially dislike forcing the player to get the first seven Shines of all worlds to beat the game, it completely limits replay value.
Delfino Plaza is an all time great video game hub though.
Delfino Plaza is an all time great video game hub though.
Dear Nintendo,
Please pull a Konami and lose the source code for Super Mario Sunshine.
Thanks XOXO
Please pull a Konami and lose the source code for Super Mario Sunshine.
Thanks XOXO
Yeah but their mainline games on the Wii U didn't feel as rough as they did on Gamecube. No one really cares that a spin-off series gets an underwhelming sequel, but it's easy to see why so many were disappointed to get something like Sunshine as a follow up to one of the greatest games of all time.
Same goes for Wind Waker off the heels of OOT and Majora's Mask (even though I loved it).
They already released Odyssey on the Switch. It's not one or the other. Having Odyssey AND Sunshine objectively better than just having Odyssey. And they'd just hand sunshine over to a third party team to remake it, so it wouldn't be instead of Odyssey 2.
what? hell no.
on topic: Sunshine sucks. it would need significant reworking.
Its the only mario game I did not 100%, It was tedious and the fludd mechanics were not fun. I'd rather play Mario 64 DS.
No thank you, keep that locked up forever.
Now re-releasing Galaxy 1 and 2? That's much more like it!
Now re-releasing Galaxy 1 and 2? That's much more like it!
That's...their best game. That's literally the best game they've made.
They moved so far away from it in the next game, going so far as to do most of the camera positioning themselves to put less stress on the player and alter Mario's moveset to be way easier to control.
You know, every time new Nintendo hardware releases, and it's without analog triggers, I am saddened because I know this won't see a remaster. Not the best 3D Mario, but a super fun and all around great platformer none the less
Yes, it has a few quirks, but it's still fantastic and deserves the love. A remaster that fixes some of the tedium would be amazing.
Also, I absolutely can't understand why Delfino wasn't in SMO. If there's a sequel, it's gotta be there.
Also, I absolutely can't understand why Delfino wasn't in SMO. If there's a sequel, it's gotta be there.
Why nintendo seems intent on ignoring this entry is beyond me. They seem to want to remaster every zelda under the sun but then turn their backs on what was a very well received mario at the time, if not reaching the level of it's predecessor or some subsequent games.
It's great, but I just played them back to back recently and I would definitely say Galaxy 1 and 2 are better games. More diversity, better level design, more mind bending innovation.
It's great, but I just played them back to back recently and I would definitely say Galaxy 1 and 2 are better games. More diversity, better level design, more mind bending innovation.
I'd love more sunshine, or anything gamecube in general. I've been getting my sunshine fix from watching streams of any% runs. They made such a great universe and it's continually referenced in current games. Even getting complete race tracks in the Mario Kart series.
#ReturnToIsleDelfino
#ReturnToIsleDelfino
Amazing graphics, best story, clever level design and good water gameplay. The challenge levels are a little too difficult but overall it's a way better Mario game than Odyssey. It deserves a port.
I've always wanted to play it.
But recently I've started watching the Giant Bomb east playthrough "steal my sunshine".
The camera seems to be the biggest issue. It's like they designed the levels and hoped the camera would be able to cope.
It's very unpolished for a Nintendo game.
A complete remake that fixed the problems would be preferable to an HD remaster.
But probably best to let it fade into the past.
But recently I've started watching the Giant Bomb east playthrough "steal my sunshine".
The camera seems to be the biggest issue. It's like they designed the levels and hoped the camera would be able to cope.
It's very unpolished for a Nintendo game.
A complete remake that fixed the problems would be preferable to an HD remaster.
But probably best to let it fade into the past.
you should see the camera in the hotel stage or behind the waterfall in the theme park. it's like sonic adventure 1.