If I remember correctly, the IP "Sunset Overdrive" remained with Insomniac, which is now part of Sony, so I don't think Microsoft will be able to exploit that IP beyond backward compatibility of the first game on the new system.
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Regarding New IP - Why aren't Xbox Game Studios and Nintendo not taken as seriously as Sony?
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Can you really not understand why games like snipper clips, or ringfit adventure might not share the same appeal to the audience that gets excited for games like Last of Us, God of War, or Ghosts? There is nothing wrong with games with a more casual lean but they aren't going to scratch the same itch that Sony's "prestige" games aim for.
The problem with Microsoft's games are a little different only because outside of their handful of staples (Halo,Gears and Forza) Microsoft hasn't built the reputation for people to have any kind of blind faith that these new ip they are building will be exciting. I'm kind of interested in Rares new game but I hated Sea of thieves and the last game Rare made that I really liked was multiple generations ago. Microsoft has the burden of showing more than telling at this point and it's going to be awhile before they can.
its not like Sony's first party games were always viewed as they are today. It took a long time for Sony to build and curate their first party studios to the point that they consistently put out such a high level of quality.
The problem with Microsoft's games are a little different only because outside of their handful of staples (Halo,Gears and Forza) Microsoft hasn't built the reputation for people to have any kind of blind faith that these new ip they are building will be exciting. I'm kind of interested in Rares new game but I hated Sea of thieves and the last game Rare made that I really liked was multiple generations ago. Microsoft has the burden of showing more than telling at this point and it's going to be awhile before they can.
its not like Sony's first party games were always viewed as they are today. It took a long time for Sony to build and curate their first party studios to the point that they consistently put out such a high level of quality.
In the last couple of years Astral Chain, Ring Fit Adventure and Snipper Clippers have all recieved similar or better reception than the original Splatoon.
That's why. Sony simply launches more new IPs than Nintendo and Microsoft combined.
Also Sony usally puts more money into new IPs. The order, Horizon zero dawn, detroit, Bloodborne, death stranding, ghost of Tsushima are all big budget games that are comparable to their big franchises. They also have smaller new IPs like astro bot, Concrete genie, etc, and that all adds up.
Nintendos biggest new ips this gen so far were arms and astral chain? They obviously aren't comparable in budget to nintendo's big franchises. Splatoon was the last big new IP.
I can see Snipperclips. But games like ARMS, Astral Chain, and Ring Fit Adventure would count as bigger "New IPs" from Nintendo even if they aren't quite AAA.
When is this graph from?
IMO, who gives a shit how big a game's budget is. Quality is what matters in the end.
Microsoft hasnt proven still that it can deliver the same high quality, genre defining games like sony can, hence the lukewarm response to their endeavours.
I'd argue that Nintendo gets the same recognition, if not more.
I'd argue that Nintendo gets the same recognition, if not more.
Aren't you the one ignoring them for sake of console warring? I mean in your post you stated
You basically painted people who like sony games with a large brush and provided a highly personalized excuse that validated your opinion.
But in all honesty, even if you look at enthusiast forums there are people who play multiple consoles and the excitement generated by them basically match aggregated review scores. The most popular games that Sony has on market happen to be single player story based games, that shouldn't take away from the fact that for every generation they also cover the widest amount of genre's with first party and second party titles. Nintendo is up there with Sony in terms of variety but what I think (my opinion of course) turns some people away is a reliance on franchise characters to fuel these forays into different genre's for nintendo. Microsoft was much better last gen in terms of variety and quality but this gen it seems as if quality suffers a bit for new IP's already released while they were shipped alongside established franchises leading to some fatigue (which strangely enough nintendo fans seem to be immune to).
Microsoft simply has to prove themselves with quality of new titles and then this type of topic will be a thing of the past because the average gamer, cares about the quality of titles and only used company brands to save themselves money and time. Starting with their new studios if MS new IP are met with critical acclaim you will see a shift in the way people talk about the companies and how they consume titles.
These two as well.
They've done that with racing genre. Forza Horizon is open world racer king. Genre defining and high selling.
I don't really remember Arms being received well by very many people and it's a fighting game ,Ringfit adventure (regardless of its quality) is the type of game that would generally be looked at with the same type of indifference as most motion based games are, and as much as I like Astral chain I genuinely believe that many people look down on games with heavy anime aesthetics it's the type of game you could compare to gravity rush from Sony which also doesn't get much attention.
Actually The Outer Worlds was released by Private Division and has nothing to do with Microsoft. I know the IP is owned by Obsidian and Obsidian is owned by Microsoft now, but still.
This chart is inaccurate. 5 new releases and 2 new IPs for Microsoft in 2019? Let's check.
That's why. Sony simply launches more new IPs than Nintendo and Microsoft combined.
Also Sony usally puts more money into new IPs. The order, Horizon zero dawn, detroit, Bloodborne, death stranding, ghost of Tsushima are all big budget games that are comparable to their big franchises. They also have smaller new IPs like astro bot, Concrete genie, etc, and that all adds up.
Nintendos biggest new ips this gen so far were arms and astral chain? They obviously aren't comparable in budget to nintendo's big franchises. Splatoon was the last big new IP.
1. Crackdown 3
2. Gears 5
3. Gears POP!
4. Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition
That's it! No new IPs this year, only 4 new releases. I don't count Forza Street, because this is just rebranded re-release from last year's Miami Street.
Their sequels always outshine their new IP's. The last huge one was Splatoon, but outside that people keep buying Mario, Zelda Pokemon, Smash...
Creating new IP when it's cheap and therefore safe to do so is easy (Sony made a bunch of new IP specifically designed for VR too, which I would count as safe, because they were low budget projects). What's not common is a publisher giving a triple A budget to a new IP, and putting their top tier developers to work on it instead of the IP they know will sell (like Sony did with Naughty Dog and The Last of Us).
Even when Nintendo did Splatoon they put together a team of "young developers" to do it, which is the safest thing they could have done. Taking their Mario or Zelda teams and putting them to work on new IP would be seen as taking a risk, but Nintendo pretty much never does that.
Microsoft doesn't create new IP period. At best they hire someone else to do it and if it works they buy the studio and make them work on it for all eternity. Hopefully they change in the future with the amount of studios they have now.
Even when Nintendo did Splatoon they put together a team of "young developers" to do it, which is the safest thing they could have done. Taking their Mario or Zelda teams and putting them to work on new IP would be seen as taking a risk, but Nintendo pretty much never does that.
Microsoft doesn't create new IP period. At best they hire someone else to do it and if it works they buy the studio and make them work on it for all eternity. Hopefully they change in the future with the amount of studios they have now.
IIRC Outer Worlds was a big reason Microsoft wanted to buy them. So more like they thought Obsidian had struck gold with the IP and wanted to be part of the gold rush? I dunno, my metaphor is falling apart.
That chart doesn't seem to be from this year you can take a look at source --- Here (gameindustry.biz)
The blame is on them. They have to send the message and use their market machine to their favor. If they can't make us take them seriously it's their fault. It's not my job as a consumer to do this, I'm not paid for this. They have to convince me to take them seriously.
Having spent most of this year seeing some truly unprecedented hostility towards two new IPs introduced by Sony (Days Gone and Death Stranding) I wonder where you're getting this idea from... because it sure can't be from browsing Resetera.
Fingers crossed for sequel to The Outer Worlds already by Xbox Game Studios 🤞
Hopefully there won't be any problems with publishing rights.
Looks like they're talking about 2019. Some nice data, but – in my opinion – if they want to compare how many games some publisher released this year, they should write somewhere all these titles.
Microsoft has largely failed to make any new IP's that had the same traction as Forza/Halo/Gears.
Nintendo's big hitters are still doing so well it's just not as big a deal for them to create new IP. And the ones you listed like Snipperclippers and Ring Fit Adventures will never be taken as seriously as TLOU or Spider-Man lol, come on.
Nintendo's big hitters are still doing so well it's just not as big a deal for them to create new IP. And the ones you listed like Snipperclippers and Ring Fit Adventures will never be taken as seriously as TLOU or Spider-Man lol, come on.
I've already answered this in the thread:
And beyond that,
I agree with you on this. Sony's output has been of stellar quality, which has definitely helped to spread the word for their first-party games, and that's exactly where Microsoft failed with games like Ryse: Son of Rome, Recore, Crackdown 3, etc. The action-adventure genre is very popular, so when you create amazing games in that genre, obviously it will attract a lot of people. That's totally fine; I don't want to deny that. Like you say, Nintendo's efforts cover a lot more genres and their projects are also very different in terms of scope and budget. And that's exactly the point that I tried to make in my first post (and I think the OP as well).
Of course, it's also a choice of Nintendo to rather use established characters rather than create new ones, but I think that has also to do with Nintendo simply having much more valuable characters in its stable than Sony. So in a way, Sony is also more forced to go in this direction than Nintendo.
I see a lot of similarities between the Nintendo of 2014-2016 and Microsoft of 2017-2019. The current platform is receiving the minimum amount of effort: complete ongoing projects, but all focus is going toward the new system. Microsoft has all been about Game Pass and xCloud and such, which are structures that will remain relevant into the next generation - these investments aren't specifically for the Xbox One. Beyond that, it's a matter of not losing the existing audience, rather than trying to expand the brand of the current system. Everyone is focused on Scarlett. They'll pull a Breath of the Wild with Halo Infinite; the newly acquired and newly created studios are all working on Scarlett content - just look at Hellblade 2's announcement, skipping Xbox One - and they didn't even release a new Forza game this year. 2019 is the first year since 2010 without a new Forza game (numbered Forza Motorsport or Forza Horizon entry). I think Microsoft will profit a lot of the preparations made under Phil Spencer's reign since 2016, and they'll be more serious competition for Sony during the next generation.
So if Sony keeps at the pace it's going at with the PS4, if Nintendo can continue the success of the Switch, and Microsoft manages to catch up thanks to the renewed focus/vision and extra muscle power thanks to acquired studios, then next generation will be very exciting, and all three console manufacturers will be in a great shape!
It's okay to say that Xbox is making games you're not interested in, instead of calling everything shit. A bit less toxicity would be nice. :D
Sony has created a mixed bag of new IP's. Knack failed to really do much, The Order 1886 was by most considered a flop. They also had some success with new IP's like Days Gone but they can also be collaborations with third party such as Death Stranding and Bloodborne. They also had huge success with Horizon.
Microsoft usually starts off with new IP's but most fail to gravitate into anything. The only real new IP I can think of with legs is Sea of Thieves but that didn't set the world on fire either.
Nintendo has had some big hits like Splatoon but the other titles like 1-2 Switch and Snipperclips have very low investments compared to their big guns like Zelda. In my opinion Nintendo takes the least amount of risk for new IP's.
To me it appears Sony takes the most risk and the bigger investments and reaps the most rewards because of it.
How may Ryse, Bleeding Edge, Sunset Overdrive, Sea of Thieves, State of Decay, Killer Instinct, Age of Empires, Flight Simulator, Recore, Quantum Break and Ori games do they need to release before they get rid of that stigma? Microsoft actually has quite a diversified list of games, the problem is most can't compete with Sony's AAA titles.
Microsoft usually starts off with new IP's but most fail to gravitate into anything. The only real new IP I can think of with legs is Sea of Thieves but that didn't set the world on fire either.
Nintendo has had some big hits like Splatoon but the other titles like 1-2 Switch and Snipperclips have very low investments compared to their big guns like Zelda. In my opinion Nintendo takes the least amount of risk for new IP's.
To me it appears Sony takes the most risk and the bigger investments and reaps the most rewards because of it.
How may Ryse, Bleeding Edge, Sunset Overdrive, Sea of Thieves, State of Decay, Killer Instinct, Age of Empires, Flight Simulator, Recore, Quantum Break and Ori games do they need to release before they get rid of that stigma? Microsoft actually has quite a diversified list of games, the problem is most can't compete with Sony's AAA titles.
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Well Sony is more successful with them as opposed to the competition, name me a new IP from MS this gen that did good?. Nintendo has Splatoon but that came out on the Wii U (and the other new IP's from Nintendo haven't done that good this gen). Sony simply has more success with them: Horizon Zero Dawn, Days Gone, Death Stranding... even the much maligned Knack did good.
Nah, don't insult HBO like that. Sony 1st party exclusives are like Marvel movies. Big budget, high production values, but nothing too deep in the end.
Sounds like a steath console war thread to me.
Ppl have different standards on games in general unless you forgot how many smaller sony ip go to die. Nothing to do with sony getting a pass compared to other studios. Id like to know who exactly the op is referring to
Ppl have different standards on games in general unless you forgot how many smaller sony ip go to die. Nothing to do with sony getting a pass compared to other studios. Id like to know who exactly the op is referring to
wtf have you not played Days Gone???
[tbh i don't even know if i'm being sarcastic or not]
Sorry I missed that. We seem to be on the same page!
I haven't played Knack, is it really a good series or are people just joking with this?
Fanboyism, pure and simple. As if Sony's first parties were always godlike (PS3 and PS4 launched with fairly poor games). Nintendo's Wii U flopped but it had great games. Xbox One was a half failure compared to X360 but it had a great first year game-wise, only to slow down in the next years and pick up pace only now (next year has at least 10 Microsoft games coming that we know of). Sony also fits in the general concept of "hardcore games" of mainly single player cinematic experiences, which helps people ignore little facts like Nintendo being the GOAT at platformers or Microsoft having the most incredible racing games of the generation.
Even if you remove those two, you still have ARMS, Astral Chain, and Ring-Fit Adventure, which have meaty budgets and full retail releases.
Young developers can often provide fresh perspectives and design cultures that the old guard couldn't offer. That's why Nintendo let a young team handle it.
There is simply an enormous gulf in the financial risk Sony takes launching new IP compared to MS and Nintendo. The budget of every new IP from Nintendo this gen would not add up to the budget of a single game like Horizon. That's what people see and are responding to when they praise Sony's efforts.
I genuinely think that Knack on the highest difficulty is a good game and that Knack 2 on the highest difficulty is a great game. 100% serious. Very challenging but ultimately rewarding. The highest difficulty forces you to learn enemy patterns because you will die a lot and quickly otherwise.
They're not good if you set them to medium and button mash your way through it, which is what I assume 99% of the people that actually have played them and dislike them did.
Definitely skip all the cutscenes though.
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