If they're hiding in the shadows, then we'd never know there was a problem until it was too late. *looks at Trump*
If Bernie had been elected, it would have been the closest thing to a communist that the country would have ever had as a president. What's your point? If someone had tried making that complaint about Bernie during the election, I would have ridiculed them to no end. You seem to be operating under the assumption that being "in the direction" of one political extreme means they ARE the political extreme.
You have not shown any respect in what we are talking about.
You say "white persecution" to me, then:
So which is it?
Again I pointed out the flaws in your analogy. Are you joining up with Nazis to protest "white persecution"? Why do you keep insisting that it fits?
You base who "the types" are to commit genocide by internet posts? No they aren't all teenagers unless you have accurate sourced data proving otherwise. Also they post racist crappy memes. Yes they were there to fight, they stood with Nazis. If you disavow something and yet still stand with them you are a massive hypocrite.
No you were not there just to protest and have discussions. You went there with Nazis. Nazis who were armed like in other previous engagements. You are involved the minute you stood with Nazis. Take some responsibility for your actions. That's not just how I see it, that's how it is.
The sad and scary thing is they have always been in the shadows, the 1981 song Lunatic Fringe by Red Rider deals exactly with this subject as the songwriter Tom Cochrane noticed a rise in anti-semitism in the 70's.
Bernie or Hillary both seem like infinitely better candidates at this point. Trump should have just kept his orange tanned ass in NY where he belongs, not at the helm of the country.
Maybe we should have banked on something other than laugh at a man for being orange to secure the presidency.
Ignorance is bliss man. Around the election, people accused Hillary/Podesta of sponsoring a pedo ring at a pizza place. Doxxing and shit ensued, some people showed up with a gun to "get to the truth". Tons of articles covering it, fucking shame what happened, and you can pretty much thank the donald for it.
some bizarre conspiracy theory that alleges that John Podesta is running a child prostitution ring or some shit out of a pizza place in DC
Perhaps the onus of the election should be directed towards those that actually fell for Trump's lies and hateful rhetoric. Offering education and an accessible platform only do so much when the actual bases won't listen.
Sure, we have Trump today, and it sucks. But what about next election cycle when people are too afraid to vote? What if we get someone even worse? It's a slippery slope and before you know it, we'll have actual Nazis in the white house, and being open about it.
Too late, we have Nazis. We should just round up all the T_D supporters and get rid of them, somehow.
The bases listened. The issue was the right wing literally doesn't give a shit about any sort of LGBT issues, so nothing he said would dissuade them for voting for him. And then the left listened to all that ridicule that was mentioned, and thought the election was in the bag. Democrats didn't turn up at the polls because no one cared enough to go. People were so sure of the win, they didn't bother to go, because as far as we were concerned, Trump was a complete laughing stock of a candidate with no discernible chance. We spent all that time high-fiving ourselves about how we were going to get another democratic president after Obama that we forgot to actually go and vote.
As someone that actively volunteers to register demographics that lean Democratic, voter complacency and negligence is absolutely to blame for a lot of the issues this country has in terms of voter turnout. I agree with your premise that the voters themselves need to be held accountable for complacency in key battleground states. However, we should not shift blame towards the messages and platform of the Democratic party as a whole, because its party platform was the most progressive platform conceived, ever, last year. Perhaps the messaging of the party should go towards getting people to actually vote and register to vote.
Well these web forums are a gateway into that community and some may eventually become Nazis. This is one small step to curbing their numbers. Hopefully they'll one day be a passing oddity in the USA and other countries.
The two points I bolded are actually somewhat debateable. Not that I am supporting Trump, but the system that he's abusing makes it legally okay. Even though he's a complete asshole, he does, unfortunately, get right to a fair trial. And in this case, a Muslim or a Mexican or an illegal immigrant would have a (rightful) bias against the bullshit he's spewing into law, and in this case, they would have a conflict of interest. I am absolutely okay with passing it to an unbiased person, because our great law system doesn't deserve to be tarnished by Mr. Orange.
The most ridiculous part? Antifa looked like it was a group that was about to get shit done ... and then they were labeled as a domestic terrorist group, making it illegal for them to exist. What the FUCK. They were just protestors?
Saying this as a 27 year old lesbian, why should I give a crap how progressive we said we were if nothing got done? Basing a platform around complete equality for the LGBTQ+ community and our support for immigrants and all that would be great, but it doesn't amount to shit if you don't get into office to do something.
We're fighting genocidal terrorists by tearing up their pamphlets. They're murdering people in cars and getting nazi sympathizers elected into the White House, and we're celebrating a subreddit getting banned.
I mean, they were. The internet allowing Nazis and similar alt-right ideologies a platform through unmoderated social media really allowed their views to spread unprecedented. For every post that a nerdy White cisgendered/able-bodied/straight male creates after feeling victimized on a micro level, it allows the alt-right to systematic target its messages to appeal to those types of people. We need to start ensuring that the right messages are pronounced, because hateful rhetoric goes nowhere.
Good thing the second amendment exists.
I doubt they'd be nerdy if they were also able-bodied. If they had to get out of their basements for five minutes, I bet they'd break down crying from direct sunlight, lol.
I don't know, you keep bringing up that a bunch of teenagers from reddit are somehow white supremacists. You see, I support BLM. I want to end BLACKED persecution by cops ever since Treyvon Martin incident. However, even if these suppose weirdos from reddit want to do something similar, why is that bad? Please explain to me. Bonus points if you can exclude Nazi germany.
You didn't really point out. You basically said "if you go to a place where nazis are, you're a nazi by default". Which is untrue. For example, when I go to a local gym, I have to deal with frat boys stinking up the place and talking about misogynistic things out loud..I have to train with these guys...yet I'm not that...If your logic I would be considered a misogynistic frat boy, but I respect women and fight for their right to gain equal pay and respect.
Hold on, I'm not following...They already disavowed with nazis already before the event...How are they standing with Nazis? They could have just had their own little idiot club of their trump worship and not see a nazi anywhere. Unless you have proof of them meeting up and planning something.
Again, you can't take responsibility for something if you didn't do it. The website archive showed that they disavowed right before the event, and no known trump supporters(as far as I know) killed any person there.
After comfortably living my entire life never wanting or needing a firearm, I have finally broken and purchased one. As nervous as the idea of a weapon like that existing in my house makes me, the literal neonazis roaming our streets in broad daylight scares me even more. What has two thumbs and a fascist stopper?
As much as I hate trump, I don't really agree at all. This policies are dumb(because he is dumb), but he isn't no Hitler.
Historically, Democrats have done more for LGBT+ visibility and minority relations in comparison to conservative parties. In my state, alone, a bill pushed by Democrats required foster parents to accept training that helps them efficiently understand the plight of their LGBT+ identifying foster child. The Republicans, of course, vehemently opposed this measure. Further, Democrats recently introduced a constitutional amendment within my state that forces the state to constitutionally recognize marriages regardless of gender identity.
Oh I agree that it was completely unconstitutional, you cannot deny that. But I remember someone making the argument that the president has some BS legal thing that lets them do shit as long as it would "protect the interests of the citizens"
I mean you're totally right. But we have to attack it from all angles avaliable, including protesting the hell out of them if they think they can invade our towns while carrying rifles and riot gear. It's not a one road thing, ya know? We'll cut off all the heads of the hydra. Just one small victory is a positive thing.
Exactly. They targeted Social Justice as if that's something to be mocked. The more we push them to the fringe, the more chances we have to break their brainwashing.
You and me both.
This might blow your mind, but teenagers are just as capable of holding neonazi views as older folks.
That's why it's important to disrupt their platform and reach out to them when they're young and let them know that it is not acceptable to be bigoted and closed minded. It's literally the current year, how can people be against love, peace, and tolerance for themselves and others? I just don't see what benefits they get to being hateful.
Sorry, I didn't mean it that way. You know how heated these political discussions can get. I appreciate the warning.
First off, what the hell is "BLACKED"? Some sort of code word? Weridos from reddit want to protest white cops from killing them? Show me where in that mod post that white men went to protest white cops killing them when they had their hands up.
You're lying to me. Did you not read the mod post? You basically said it yourself quoting that disclaimer. Here I'll give you a clue: In your analogy you would also support the misogynistic rantings and went to a big old 'protest the women' group.
You keep flipflopping on Trump worship. It's quote unquote white culture persecution.
His point (I think) isn't that the teenagers aren't neo nazis because they're teenagers. Teenagers are usually pretty big idiots, and they think something is inherently funny because it's offensive. To many of them, it's the same principle as "Dead baby" jokes, all of which rely on the simple shock value of the punchline being, "There's a bunch of dead babies." They say things only to get a rise out of you, and if saying, "The Holocaust Didn't Happen" gets a rise out of you, they'll do that.
I'm very aware. However, from what I checked it seems like they keep posting meme pictures of trump with some frog. I doubt these are the nazi type to salute and have NatSoc ideologies.
From what I'm googling it says the killer was a "white nationalist", but nothing about being a trump supporter.
Going to NeoNazi rallies is a pretty big investment past the edgy 4chan posting, no?
This is very true. The little shits my younger brother brings home are avid PewDiePie fans and I constantly hear things like "HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG" coming from his bedroom. I've tried to talk to him but he gives me this smirk that tells me it's pointless, although I'm fairly certain he's not a nazi. I'm hoping he'll grow out of the edgy 4channer phase eventually.
Ugh, poor Pepe. He used to be part of a great webcomic, until the appropriated it for their propaganda.
Oops, I mistyped. Meant to say black, don't know why I caplocked it though. Strange, nvm. As far as the mod mentioning anything of black lives matter, I have not. Which is very shameful. If they at least want to be taken seriously they should stop acting like kids and deal with real social issues in the country.
What? I never said that. I never said I support misogynistic rantings, just that I'd ignore it and wouldn't be part of the hate group if I were to be in the same place as them.
I'm not flip flopping, though I read that before, and yes it sounds weird. However, it's not what I would call "NatSoc" or white supremacists. I've take history classes, and those things delve WAY deeper than just "ethnic preservation" or whatever they want.
