For all the trolling on metacritic, the user score (79) is much more adequate than the actual metascore.
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Red Dead Redemption 2 has a 97 Metacritic and plays like absolute dog doo doo
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Yeah, peer pressure, social bubbles and echo-chambers are actually pretty simple explanations for the issue at hand.
Also, as for the GiantBomb example listed above, isn't it funny that the one person which thought the game was a 5/5 was the one who reviewed the game? I mean, what a coincidence right? You gotta avoid asking someone who probably won't like the game to review it right?
That's what happens next. Inflated scores all around. And let's not mention the fear of displeasing your readers ... Right Jeff? :D
Finally caught up with the Bombcast.
Kudos to Dan for fighting almost the entire staff and getting this game where it belongs:
The Most Disappointing list.
Kudos to Dan for fighting almost the entire staff and getting this game where it belongs:
The Most Disappointing list.
So you read people's mind??
Because i have no idea if the gameplay of this game is appreciated by every people that don't post on era...
I think people talk about gameplay only...
And it's true, the controls, gameplay, shooting, cover,input lag etc. Are better in the order compared to rdr2.
Tell me why do you think people still continue to buy it and it continues to be in top spots even months after release.
I mean, if the game was so bad, or so not fun to play, word of mouth would have hurted the game sales, right? But it didn't. Why? Name alone doesn't explain a game still selling so much. My idea is that complaints about the game are valid but here on Resetera are way overblown.
You realize that this is not people who already own it that buy it AGAIN, right?
How is the amount of people that buy the game indicative of how they like it?
Word of mouth exists.
Word of mouth hugely damaged Fallout76 post day one sales, Battlefield post day one sales and so on. If the game was so bad as people here describe it (a turd, trash, not better than The Order 1886) than why it keeps selling at record pace? That's what i'm asking.
My own idea is probably because the general consensus around the Web is that the game is great and the issues it has don't diminuish the fun people have playing the game.
i really dunno about the bombcast. i love how they give attention to smaller titles and also weirder games but when it comes down to it they will always choose the AAA games no matter what kind of flaws they have
Sums up the entire thread. What the fuck leads a human to seek this kind of social acceptance that they stoop to this level of pedantry? It's just insane.
I liked the game, but my really strong initial positive reactions really wore down over time. It's a similar problem to some of the design decisions in Star Citizen, the animations and verisimilitude of all the interactions are cute and novel at first, but when you're skinning an animal for what feels like the eleventy billionth time and watching the same 10 second interaction it's just dull.
In my experience this is not true. The hardcore are more likely to like this game, but the casuals do not.
Anecdotal evidence: My casual friends (the type where the last game they played was Uncharted 4) were super hyped for Red Dead, but burned out on it super quick. They don´t articulate why, they don´t know what input lag is, they just say "it´s not fun to play" and that´s it.
To somewhat back this up: 83.4% of all players on PS4 finished chapter 1, only 54.5% of all players finished chapter 2. I find this significant.
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Because it's a rockstar games?
Because we have basically no other western triple A game?
For rdr online?
For the graphics, sound, story etc?
You think that people at gamestop talks about bad gameplay with the clients? Or people that are waiting for rdr online talks with their friends about bad gameplay so they are not gonna buy the game?
The idea that nobody outside of era has problem with the gameplay of this game because he has 97 on metacritic is the most ridicolous thing i ever heard tbh.
For me is much easier to think that hardcore gamers like most of the people on era are more forgiving with bad gameplay because we are used to it. (Personal experience)
But for the millions of people that buy a console for fifa and some mainstream triple A game? i've really hard time to believe that ALL OF THEM are ok with sluggish control and slow paced gameplay.
(Sorry for my english)
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The game is extremely long and dispersive and you know long games don't keep people attention. By your metric more than 60% of people completed FF XV, so it must have been really fun for them. Yet i still read people here saying how trash that game is.
I would say it is the opposite. The hardcore crowd is more discerning of performance and responsiveness. Folks on here and other forums bash Ark yet it is one of the most popular games out there. Same can be said of several other games. People like what they like.
I didn't say that though. I said that complaints here on Resetera are way overblown, and it's not even the first time it happens. I can understand being hardcore gamers but behaving like the Resetera consensus on a game is the general public consensus is ridicolous.
Not talking about finishing the game. I´m talking about a 40% drop off between the first 2 chapters. You say that this game is universally loved, I say 50% of all the people who got this game did not even make it past chapter 2.
Same experience, my friends come to my home and try the game...after 20 minutes they give up.
I was not talking about you specifically, sorry for the misunderstanding.
The truth is probably in the middle.
Again, where did i say the game is universally loved? I can explain that drop saying that even without reaching Chapter 3 you can easily play for more than 40 hours. Probably many don't care enough for the story to keep progressing after they already played so much of the game and they drop it.
I agree. I never like overreactions, but people here try to make me say things i don't say because they like to think by extremes. It's with me or against me on Resetera. It's frankly tiring.
My experience has been similar, but I will go back to it.
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GTA 4s rating will always surprise me more than the current one for RDR2.
One of the highest rated games of all time that you'd be hard pressed to see anyone giving a damn about these days.
One of the highest rated games of all time that you'd be hard pressed to see anyone giving a damn about these days.
Game being great doesn't mean being universally loved. There are plenty of games that are great but not universally loved. Even the classics like Ocarina of Time aren't universally loved.
Fair enough.
Also: I will fight anybody who has anything to say against OoT. ;)
People gave a damn about that game for many many years though. It was the most played game on 360 almost every single week for a long time.
I don't know what they saw in it, especially the online mod but dem's the numbers.
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I also think doing chapter drop-off comparisons with trophy data is not really great, when you have such an open game. A better comparison is identifying unmissable trophies and doing the same for some other open world game and then compare where it places.
Just as an example I know a guy that has done 40% of the challenges in this game and is not done with Chapter 2. Not that he is representative, but I find this go and do the collectathon aspect before doing much story to be a very common theme. And there is a lot to do in RDR2 if you're that type of player.
If we are to assume that everybody has an internet connection, that's still around 8.5 million players in real terms.
Trophy stats don't tell us shit though. I think anyone finding them "significant" is either being deliberately disingenuous or hasn't looked at them before.
Only 55% of players completed the tutorial of GTA: Online, while only a 1/3 of players even reached the first heist/Trevor in SP.
Only 41% of players found Dandelion at the end of Act 1 in Witcher 3.
64% of players completed the first Skyrim dungeon and only 51% went on to open up Dragons. Around 1 in 5 didn't complete the introduction at all.
59% of players made it to Act 2 of Marvel's Spider-Man.
So, yeah... what does this tell us about the popularity of these games? Jack shit. That drop seems hardly "significant" in context.
I uh... it's my favourite GTA. :D
Why is it hard for some to accept the flaws this game has? Liking something doesn't suddenly make it immune to criticism.
The control of the character is in fact doo doo and it's not expected to see it omitted from reviews.
The control of the character is in fact doo doo and it's not expected to see it omitted from reviews.
Terrible game. That´s one of the reasons I´m extra disappointed in RDR. I thought that between GTA IV and V they had learned their lesson.
Don´t put "realism" over gameplay.
Unfortunately they doubled down on it.
GTA V brought the fun back, RDR2 ripped it away from us.
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I find myself replaying section soft combat dozens of times just because I have such a blast doing it.
The gameplay in RDR2 is head and shoulders above most of the competition.
The gameplay in RDR2 is head and shoulders above most of the competition.
The bomcast is indeed paradigmatic
When a man is deadly wrong yet he's still trying to indoctrinate the huge majority using lame arguments, with his head deeply stuck in his big fat ass, refusing to acknowledge any opinion but his own
Where have I seen that before?
Yep. The competition is trying hard to implement input lag into their games, but they just can´t get it done.
R* are wizards.
Have you actually listened to it? He was absolutely not refusing to acknowledge any opinion but his own. He was very open.
Also: LOL at calling him "deadly wrong" and going on to say that he refuses to acknowledge any opinion but his own.
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I fell in love with the world Rockstar created in RDR2. The characters, atmosphere, story are all stellar stuff, but fuck me is the gameplay sub-par. It shouldn't take me a few goes to pick something up, shuffling around on the spot trying to get the correct angle. I shouldn't have to sit through laborious actions such as reading a fucking diary to check stock in my camp. Boring, tedious monotony.
I got to chapter 6 but couldn't complete it as I found it was getting too repetitive and stale. Ride for 10 minutes to here, kill some people and escape. Over and over and over again.
I keep going back to Rocket League. Why? Because they nailed the gameplay. No story, no character building, no cutscenes, just pure unadulterated fun gameplay, which is sadly missing from RDR2.
I got to chapter 6 but couldn't complete it as I found it was getting too repetitive and stale. Ride for 10 minutes to here, kill some people and escape. Over and over and over again.
I keep going back to Rocket League. Why? Because they nailed the gameplay. No story, no character building, no cutscenes, just pure unadulterated fun gameplay, which is sadly missing from RDR2.
I'm far in chapter 6 and the controls only annoyed me a bit in the first few hours of the game tbh. Got used to them and never looked back, game deserves it's high praise if you ask me.