No, it's basically the same. On a 4K TV also, if u sit at a distance of 3 meters, you cannot notice any difference.
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Red Dead Redemption 2 DF Analysis (Read OP)
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It is and I pointed it out. It just blew up even more than expected. I actually think it looks pretty OK on my TV from a normal viewing distance. Soft but ok. I think it looks worse comparing still shots.
thanks for the answer.. you guys do great work over at DF. A shame most of your work is only used for Console wars..
If you're really hating it you could pick up a Brook Super Converter and use your Dualshock on Xbox. I use a Xbox One/360 to PS4 adaptor and basically use my Xbox Elite controller on every PS4 game (so the reverse!). Works flawlessly.
I'll try to take screenshots later. If you want to know what I mean set your Pro's output to 1080p and then enable/disable supersampling in the PS4 settings. It's abysmal.
Not totally unexpected. Not so much time ago R said to choice this TAA just because it's the most affordable solution for their finances, if I'm not wrong. Knowing the particularity of the Pro hardware, it sounds like a presage. Now let's hope it was not a preventive "end of the story" such statement.
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I did. Looks good in base 1080P. But also looks good with ss on. I play on a 100inch screen with a HD projector and it looks good with SS on.
Not as good as what i've seen from the XboxOneX but still good. Clean and without artifacts.
A word like "abysmal" really doesn't come to mind at all. So i'm not sure what is going on. Do you have HDR on or off?
Yeah this is my issue, I am not enjoying my xbox one but I am enjoying the games graphics. I wish it wasn't such a big gap on the pro :(
Base PS4 here, I still have yet to rebuild the database like I want to, but...wilderness is smooth, from the opening snow conditions to breaking camp, and riding all the way from that camp to Saint Denis. This includes riding to individual houses and ranches. You pass stagecoaches and such on the roads and everything still runs fine.
As for towns like Valentine, nighttime is smoother than daytime. Daytime appears to slow intermittently, but not terribly so. In Saint Denis there are a few areas where it really seems to drag, and that's just riding on the horse without any other action happening on screen. Dark1x has noted that the framerate doesn't measure as dipping down as much as it visually appears to, so we don't know the whole story here yet why it's so off-putting on base consoles.
Since I rode to Saint Denis just to see it, and not really playing the story, I can't say how much of an impact it will have when playing story missions and such. But the first few story missions in Valentine played fine.
I have HDR off because my TV doesn't support it. I really can't see how we could have such different experiences? I swear I'm not exaggerating, it really is a huge and immediately noticable difference when I enable SS. Normally I don't really care for slight differences between versions, I mainly bought the Pro for better framerate in Battlefield 1.
I would describe the image with SS on as having lost all detail. Everything is super blurry, like I put one of those filters for bathroom windows over my TV.
I'll take screenshots later, but it might be a couple of hours.
But then you have the other end of the scale where people are being hyperbolic saying it's unplayable because of the CBR + TAA. It's a little soft and could be better but it's not that bad.
I've seen enough images that give the impression, but is there some consensus that the Pro version with the system set to 1080p gives a cleaner image than the actual 4K mode? I didn't want to assume so, just because I know people can be hyperbolic (especially during a launch window). Direct capture of the 4K mode hasn't looked great, in terms of IQ/artifacting, but I also know how varied the conditions in-game can be.
Okay, curious to see them. It's indeed weird that the experiences are so different.
Even if it really is just doing 1080p, the better texture filtering/quality and ambient occlusion would come through on the Pro (on top of the performance gains).
There is no consensus because it depends on preference. On 1080p you lose clarity at distance but gain overall sharpness up close and to my eyes it looks better.
And the sole fact that this is even a matter of debate is ridiculous.
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Do you think they will be able to change the CBR at this stage or do you think they might change just change the TAA.
NXGamer talked about the sharpening filter being disabled with HDR on and it can make the IQ look better in non HDR mode, so maybe they could enable that while HDR is on to sharpen up the IQ a little, providing it plays well with the CBR.
Nope, it is this soft more or less, but I would still take this soft image over a 1080p + sharpness filter. I wouldn't want to lose half the pixels just to make some foreground elements appear artificially sharpened.
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I got my PS4 Pro hooked up on a 1080p TV. I´ve tried playing with Super Sampling enabled but eventually turned it off again. In my Imagination(?) the Screen looks blurrier than with SS off.
Yeah seems like a decent mode for 1080p owners. Be interesting to see how it compares to a base PS4.
Compared to the Pro version? On a 1080p set, you can totally notice the difference sitting 3 meters away.... idk what your talking about. Then in 4K it's even more jarring.
Im still shocked at how much worse it looks for ps4 pro 4k users than the x version. especially when in bushes etc. (I have both versions)
What exactly is the "glitch" on Pro? I know HDR isn't working correctly, but in regards to the reconstruction technique, its just not a good one, maybe they'll update it, or maybe not.
There are plenty of other games on Pro where the reconstruction technique looks just like this such as Monster Hunter World, Destiny 2 and more. Those were never changed, to ask for a new reconstruction technique to be implemented is going to leave you waiting.
It is no knock against the Pro, Spider-Man looks so much cleaner using Insomniac's temporal injection than what Rockstar used here, and that game hovers around 1440p even with the reconstruction technique. I have been playing it everyday since release using my 4K 60" set as a monitor and it looks fantastic.
There are plenty of other games on Pro where the reconstruction technique looks just like this such as Monster Hunter World, Destiny 2 and more. Those were never changed, to ask for a new reconstruction technique to be implemented is going to leave you waiting.
It is no knock against the Pro, Spider-Man looks so much cleaner using Insomniac's temporal injection than what Rockstar used here, and that game hovers around 1440p even with the reconstruction technique. I have been playing it everyday since release using my 4K 60" set as a monitor and it looks fantastic.
I just cant believe it runs NATIVE 4K and with a solid performance on the X! looking as stunning as the game does.
I am playing it on native 4k xbox one x and it doesnt look all the sharp on it either. maybe its because i have hdr on, but the trees near the horseshoe camps have this very muddy look for a native 4k game.
horizon looked much sharper.
oddly enough the game looked much better in the snow areas.
I think most of it comes down to their aggressive TAA solution. Based on the screens, even the XBX version isn't a super crisp looking game, compared to Pro it is but compared to other recent games, it's still a very soft looking game.
What is TF2? Am I supposed to know these acronyms on a whim? Seems to be a thing that some people do here and it's hard to decipher without a true context.
Titanfall 2. The case in question was when the dynamic resolution was not correct on the One X. Respawn quickly responded with a fix. People hope the influence of Digital Foundry will do the same for the Pro to increase quality there.
There's nothing to explain. George Romero is being hyperbolic beyond any normal standards. It's almost embarrassing to see users act like this.
Thanks!
Appreciate the feedback! And sounds good enough for me once Im jumping in.
In the comments and you can also see the difference in framerate.
Yeah Americans love to talk in abbreviations and acronyms. They don't seem to realize these have different meanings depending on the topic and the country. But i guess it looks really cool if you type in acronyms or something like that.
Titanfall 2 in this case, guessing.
Oh yeah. Thanx.
Anyway, youtube compression sucks but it's clear that the Pro version is a lot softer than the XboxOneX version.
It's perfectly playable but Rockstar needs to react to this.
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Relax, please. On this forum people use acronyms and abbreviations all the time. And people (of any nationality) have to ask for clarification of whether GoW means Gears of War or God of War from time to time, for instance.
Yeah, the hypoerbole regarding just how terrible the PS4 Pro version looks is through the roof.
OK, some more approximations of some XBX screens seen earlier in this thread on the Pro. Both XBX courtesy of Theorry
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It's soft due to TAA but Horizon is definitely not sharper. They also opted for a very soft image. It's impressive that Horizon's CBR mode is comparable to native 4K here, though.
I actually wasn't originally certain that Horizon was 4K CBR, to be honest, as it's quite soft. They intentionally didn't go for that single pixel precision - that's what we were told at their office. It was more about delivering a clean, filmic image.
There's no way Horizon would look sharper unless something about your setup wasn't configured right, or your view distance is far enough back to just miss detail that's there. The picture quality is more film-like, but the detail is still obvious. I have a feeling the intention was about avoiding "gamey" things like micro-crawl and aliasing.
I...can't say I've heard of that as a thing.
Well i don't know, haha. It just seems that way on this forum and on GAF. It's used so much. And it always just confuses stuff.
I am relaxed. But i think acronyms and abbreviations are not very clear in an international forum. That's all.
People are just upset that the implementation isn't producing the kinda quality that's completely capable from the Pro. Guess hyperbolic statements are one way to let out the frustration/disappointment?
I'll be the first to admit I thought they were talking about Team Fortress 2, lol
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Is there a way to run this game in 4K tv forcing 1080p and to look as sharp as it does on 1080p TVs? Because as I understand it the whole deal is to disable SS, an option that is not available if your TV is 4K. So I end up forcing 1080p, but the IQ is worse than 2160p due to the SS being left on. Please help.
On the PS4 you can turn system wide super sampling off in your PS4 settings too.
