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west

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Oct 28, 2017
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Saw this going rounds on Reddit. Think there was something similar in Cinderella as well. But really, could we have descriptive topics pls.
 
Recycling shots back when paper animation was still the norm is literally nothing new. Even today there are instances of rockstar using the same buildings, foliage and more between rdr2 and gta 5.

When you had to draw each individual frame by hand you can take a few shortcuts as long as it's your own parent company and it's under knowledge of the people higher up.
 

Nepenthe

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Oct 25, 2017
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It was one of many cost-cutting measures the studio had to take because Walt's gamer-esque obsession on the highest fidelity of art possible was literally bankrupting the studio. Give your thanks to 101 Dalmatians and its embracing of the Xerox machine for the continued existence of this mega corporation.
 

jett

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Oct 25, 2017
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Don't really mind re-used animation tbh.. Why is it bad?

It's not.

It's not really recycled animation anyway, more like recycled choreography. They still had to redraw everything. The fact that so few people noticed and so many are still surprised at this stuff just shows Disney was smart to do this.

The Pooh/Jungle Book sequence is probably the most overt example.
 

maigret

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Jun 28, 2018
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Imagine when this person finds out they recycled Kimba the White Lion when making The Lion King.
 

HStallion

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Oct 25, 2017
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You guys won't believe that those long walking shots in Scooby Doo were just repeating the same scrolling hallway backdrop over and over.
 

JimJamJones

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Oct 25, 2017
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I thought this was a well-known thing. Disney (and other animation studios) used to reuse animations from various movies again to save money.
 

Khanimus

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Oct 25, 2017
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Greater Vancouver


Speaking of the Simpsons, there are dozens of times they've reused shots with new dialogue, or inserted shots because they edited in a new joke way too late to animate a new shot.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Why animate at all if you're just going to rotoscope lol

You'd be surprised to know how much your average artist draws from references or straight up photos, especially if they're commercial.

And they rotoscoped from filmed actors to begin with in Snow White, and then reused their own animation as rotoscoping reference.
 

DrForester

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Does this still happen in the CGI era? Can an animation easily be applied to another character?
 

Pop-O-Matic

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Oct 25, 2017
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You guys won't believe that those long walking shots in Scooby Doo were just repeating the same scrolling hallway backdrop over and over.
Repeating animation to keep costs down was kinda Hanna-Barbera's schtick, though. Nobody really expected anything better of them. It's a bit more shocking to people when they find out that even the best in the industry takes shortcuts now and again.
 

DeltaRed

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I thought these were pretty well known at this point. I love the animation on those classic Disney films so I'd steal from them too.
 

HStallion

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Repeating animation to keep costs down was kinda Hanna-Barbera's schtick, though. Nobody really expected anything better of them. It's a bit more shocking to people when they find out that even the best in the industry takes shortcuts now and again.

It's really common in any form of animation though whether it's cheap TV cartoons from the 70's to modern AAA videogame blockbusters.
 

nekkid

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Oct 27, 2017
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The fact there's so many people surprised by this proves how much it negatively impacted things: ie not at all.

Pretty cool reuse, though.
 

Capra

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Oct 25, 2017
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Furries have created more original content for Disney's Robin Hood than Disney itself.

Seriously though, animation is fucking brutal work. Honestly I don't begrudge anyone for taking shortcuts, especially under the work environment and budget constraints of that era of Disney. As long as you're using your own material for reference I don't see a problem with it as long as it isn't the entire movie.
 

Nepenthe

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Why animate at all if you're just going to rotoscope lol
Animators who are trying to make reasonably human-esque performances copy directly from real life as a default. Fun fact; CGI animation looks so "real" because the animator(s) acts out their scenes, and they just directly copy the poses onto the models, sometimes down to the frame number. No one is doing that shit from their head. Now with rotoscoping, you don't actually want to draw over everything exactly anyway; there is still a level of artistic interpretation at play, because for some reason whenever you do copy it line for line, it legitimately looks like wobbly shit. You have to go back and basically clean up the artwork.
 

Pop-O-Matic

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It's still hard work. They had to redraw the characters and backgrounds even if the animation is the same.
Doesn't matter. People immediately see anything that eases the amount of time/cost/effort required for a production and think "those lazy fucks" because we've all been trained to think reuse is hacky and shortcuts are for the weak.