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Recent Gran Turismo 7 issues have definetely and undeniable proven that "always online" single player games have only downsides for consumers
- Thread starter Bucéfalo
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Yes those races do give you credits. I think PD would have multiple options to go about it like other games have done. For example increasing their security for saves or let the players use every car in sports mode, so you'd only need to buy cars for offline play or the other online MP.
I want to focus on the cheat you described though. Owning all the cars doesn't give you an benefit in online races. So I wouldn't call it a cheat that effects the multiplayer. Even if it would, consumers who buy MTX can still do what a save game edit does. Giving the player unlimited funds and all cars. Thus I doubt PD is worried about the fairness of people editing save games to get all cars for MP. They are worried instead of buying MTX to get all the cars, some people get all the cars for free.
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I think there are positives to a game that has certain persistent, online interconnected-ness - looking at MMO-lite experiences like Destiny, etc.
I don't think there's any benefit to FORCING an always-online-or-nothing state (outside of MMOs). There's no reason that inter-connectedness couldn't be a toggle for people who don't want it.
It's especially strange in a game like GT, where its just track-based racing and not a persistent open social experience or whatever (like a Sea of Thieves, for example).
I don't think there's any benefit to FORCING an always-online-or-nothing state (outside of MMOs). There's no reason that inter-connectedness couldn't be a toggle for people who don't want it.
It's especially strange in a game like GT, where its just track-based racing and not a persistent open social experience or whatever (like a Sea of Thieves, for example).
It's honestly what kept me from buying it, and I was originally planning to.
I wasn't even considering something like this, it was more the thought of servers being turned off down the road since I still play old games. But yeah, this sucks for people who bought it.
I wasn't even considering something like this, it was more the thought of servers being turned off down the road since I still play old games. But yeah, this sucks for people who bought it.
"Can I play the game I've paid for, please?" should be something no customer ever needs to ask.
This only benefits developers / publishers who want to sell microtransactions.
You shouldn't be spouting such nonsense.
Well, to be fair, I am a developer that wants to sell microtransactions.
I only recall the Digital Foundry video review observing that always online single player is very worrisome for future preservation and a big let down.
Then I really hope you'll make sure your servers don't shit the bed as hard as Polyphony's did.
Fingers crossed. To be fair, we put a significant amount of time into ensuring that you can play the games, up to a point, without being online.
SimCity (2013) pretty much is the first game title that I started to hate with always online connection method, that offers no single player/offline mode when it first released. Besides, the game had constant server connection issues and it's very hard to play smoothly without those disconnect notifications. Only later, it got patched with offline mode after many feedbacks.
Other games like Need For Speed 2015 also started this trend, which I disliked waiting that connecting to server loading.
Then Hitman reboot series from 2016 with limited gameplay and cannot progress the stats when choose to play offline.
Main reason I hate with this online-connected games is the server-side issue. Multiple times in Hitman, there's always server problem that caused me to quit my on-going session and lost my progress (because the server was unable to reconnect) and it just infuriated me so much.
It sucks this trend happened in Gran Turismo franchise; first with GT: Sport and now with this GT7 issue.
Other games like Need For Speed 2015 also started this trend, which I disliked waiting that connecting to server loading.
Then Hitman reboot series from 2016 with limited gameplay and cannot progress the stats when choose to play offline.
Main reason I hate with this online-connected games is the server-side issue. Multiple times in Hitman, there's always server problem that caused me to quit my on-going session and lost my progress (because the server was unable to reconnect) and it just infuriated me so much.
It sucks this trend happened in Gran Turismo franchise; first with GT: Sport and now with this GT7 issue.
Always online = encourages you to play multiplayer = tempts you to buy micro transactions. This isn't going away it's just started to infest first party aaa games so more people are noticing.
Who claimed it was not a circumstance to be worried about?? I think it was pretty much unanimous that it was a problem, aside from games that only have online modes and nothing local...
I'll skip all of them. I played thousands of hours of GT3 back in the PS2 days. Hundreds of GT4. I won't play a minute of GT7 because of always online.
I mean, it's not that big of a deal. It's just been a day. You have other games to play. And life to live as well. Just play another game and return to Gran Turismo when it comes up.
This does not even remotely deter me from playing online single player games
This does not even remotely deter me from playing online single player games
Paying $70 for a game just to be told "You have other games to play" 2 weeks later.
Consumers are the ones who ultimately make the choice to spend money on a product and you should expect them to make this choice looking out for their own interests. We know that always online exists for the publisher's (and possibly the developer's) benefit and, as evidenced by this, to the active detriment of the consumer's experience.
Whether they are trying to protect fairness in online races or microtransactions there is indeed a reason for the game to be always online.
Something that all video game developers have to seriously consider is how much the players are going to cheat and hack, not if.
Also, whatever solution you have to mitigate the cheating there will be people that complain.
And if you are unsuccessful at mitigating cheating the players will complain about that too.
Here is a solution, make SP campaign mode have an option for offline save that can't be played online. There, problem solved for folks who just want to play SP.
Or like many other devs figure out how to limit cheating on consoles. Always online is a cop out that is just inexcusable for SP modes.
Well, let's not get crazy. I plan to buy this used for cheap in a year or so to mess around.
But if Sony wants $70 + tax (or much more for Europe, AU, CA) 🤡🤡🤡.
Why do you have to care if players cheat in SP mode of your game? If it's because you jacked up car progression to push players to MTX in your $70+ game, that's greed and not a valid excuse.
How long before Sony pulls GT Sport from the servers? This is another reason why games need to have an offline component to them unless it is strictly designed to be multiplayer only and even then why does Sony have a history of pulling games off of servers? PSN Plus costs money, that should go to keeping servers up for as long as that developer remains 1st party.
I'm just sad that after being completely fucked by Elden Ring I couldn't race just to refresh my mind.
They really need to forget about the stupid online progression. I know this is a lock for those who alter their save games with infinite money and 1 billion PP Cars, but the game at this point is BEGGING for hacks or exploits for grind money.
How many hours to unlock the 3 legendary 20MM cars for the trophy? 100 hours probably? (using luck with 6 star roulettes)
They really need to forget about the stupid online progression. I know this is a lock for those who alter their save games with infinite money and 1 billion PP Cars, but the game at this point is BEGGING for hacks or exploits for grind money.
How many hours to unlock the 3 legendary 20MM cars for the trophy? 100 hours probably? (using luck with 6 star roulettes)
Probably within the next 24 hours will be back online and will remain online until the game is shut down for good.
edit: Just wanna say I got no beef with you hoping to sell microtransactions. The game is the game, make your paper.
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When things you do in single player mode can be used in multiplayer mode.
Allowing cheating in single player mode is only acceptable when single player and multiplayer are 100% separate.
Copying still being a thing and still taking stupidly long is one of the most mind boggling things this gen.
A patch does not change anything if the Servers are still offline, of course it does not work.
I watched this 20 times trying to determine where the super high flying guy was sitting. Can't figure it out.
Oh look. immsun is back and they're handwaving serious issues in major first-party AAA games again.
Not only a GT7 thing, happend to me also with Forbidden West or other PS5 games.
I don't think I've played a Gran Turismo game since the first one on the PS1 lol but it sounds terrible if you can't play it at all. But I've been saying the same with other games, like Tekken for example.
I mean, you can definitely play Tekken without being online, but there's nothing to it, there's no challenge, there's nothing really entertaining, all the focus is on online play, and that is the trend I hate. In Tekken you should at least be able to unlock the characters through solo play and then have the online fights, but no, all the characters are unlocked automatically, and there's really nothing to do offline, unless it's battling your friends in person or whatever.
The thing to notice here is not whether everyone has an internet connection or not, but there's people, like me, who really doesn't care about playing with some unknown person at the other side of the world, wait for the match, etc, or idk, in the case of Pokémon, you know there's always these people obsessed with competitive play and you know you'll always gonna lose if you don't have a planned team or strategy, so yeah, there's really a lot of reasons why someone wouldn't want to play online, so every paid game should offer something entertaining enough to do offline.
Again, I don't even know Gran Turismo now, or what is the latest game like, but it sounds terrible for what you guys are saying and it shouldn't be the case for any game.
I mean, you can definitely play Tekken without being online, but there's nothing to it, there's no challenge, there's nothing really entertaining, all the focus is on online play, and that is the trend I hate. In Tekken you should at least be able to unlock the characters through solo play and then have the online fights, but no, all the characters are unlocked automatically, and there's really nothing to do offline, unless it's battling your friends in person or whatever.
The thing to notice here is not whether everyone has an internet connection or not, but there's people, like me, who really doesn't care about playing with some unknown person at the other side of the world, wait for the match, etc, or idk, in the case of Pokémon, you know there's always these people obsessed with competitive play and you know you'll always gonna lose if you don't have a planned team or strategy, so yeah, there's really a lot of reasons why someone wouldn't want to play online, so every paid game should offer something entertaining enough to do offline.
Again, I don't even know Gran Turismo now, or what is the latest game like, but it sounds terrible for what you guys are saying and it shouldn't be the case for any game.
Horizon FW does it, Destiny 2 does it. Those are the only two games I've played that updated recently that I noticed it taking 15+ mins to complete.
Then create capability to have separate SP character. Locking SP to exclusively always online mode is a crappy practice.
Yikes!!! I was sooo close to getting this and I pulled back at the last minute because ER had too much of my attention. I'm glad I passed on it.