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Real talk: Is Bloodborne the best game ever made ?
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Bloodborne as GOAT is something I would never actually propose but I'm more than happy to nod gently and agree if it's what common consensus decided. Like, "Citizen Kane" is very good and I like it a lot, so I'm not going to complain if it's the GOAT, but it's not the one I'd pick on my own.
Ah, I see you also worship at the alter of "Lost Kingdoms 2."
Ah, I see you also worship at the alter of "Lost Kingdoms 2."
It's excellent, but not my GOAT nor my favorite PS4 game.
These threads are always about personal tastes. There's no widely accepted consensus on the best game ever made.
These threads are always about personal tastes. There's no widely accepted consensus on the best game ever made.
Its good, and was my first soulsborne, but no. I like a challenge, so I appreciate that aspect, but I also appreciate a story presented more up front rather than digging through files and notes. I also prefer faster paced combat, so basically I like Sekiro more. But neither would be my GOAT.
Hehe.
For me, it was the GOTG. Best ever though? Its older sibling Dark Souls might take that crown.
Do you run down checklists of features when you decide which games are your favorite? Lol
Nope.
How many hours have you spent in all your playthroughs just farming fucking blood infusions instead of challenging that boss again? It's a bad design decision in an otherwise fantastic game.
People will point out things like weapon durability in BotW, another GOAT contender, but things like that are a wash as you literally drown in new weapons you can pick up anywhere and never held you back in the same way where you have to grind to try again.
How many hours have you spent in all your playthroughs just farming fucking blood infusions instead of challenging that boss again? It's a bad design decision in an otherwise fantastic game.
People will point out things like weapon durability in BotW, another GOAT contender, but things like that are a wash as you literally drown in new weapons you can pick up anywhere and never held you back in the same way where you have to grind to try again.
Nah, too many technical issues, and the camera is kind of jank. Chalice dungeons. Two-step loading process just to level up. I also preferred the weapon and location variety in Dark Souls. I love gothic and cosmic horror, so BB should have been a slam dunk, but oh well. I still like it, but I'm never booting it up to get my Souls fix.
Edit: Also, the post above mine was an annoyance I forgot to mention, which I share with Demon's Souls too.
Edit: Also, the post above mine was an annoyance I forgot to mention, which I share with Demon's Souls too.
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1) "Favorite game" and "best game ever made" are different categories
2) you don't need to be a master game analyst to figure out that Bloodborne is not very accessible to a large quantity of the gamer population. It's overly difficult and punishing, and its storyline requires significant effort to even figure out what's happening
So you're criticizing a challenging game for being... challenging?
I'm not seeing how this is related to accessibility.
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Yes. And the fact that 1 out of 5 people can actually agree on this on this forum should solidify that it actually is.
How? The cosmic, Lovecraftian insanity ramps right up as you reach the end. How could it be worse?
I couldn't get high on that bloodborne drug that other people got high on. just felt like another Dark Souls clone i refuse to continue to play. Not for me.
Conceptually, it's great. But fighting reurrecting Yharnamites, the mess of The One Reborn, and entering the Dream of Mensis is kind of deflating for me. Feels like a random assortment of assets that Fromsoft stitched together, and not a peek behind the veil of reality. Mergo is lame, and The First Hunter is a bit too "anime" for my liking.
Again, incredible introduction but falters too much with its execution of some very cool ideas. Stronger as a Van Helsing simulator.
Yeah I can see where you're coming from. Werewolves and vampires and all that jazz was really awesome in the beginning, but I certainly have a soft spot for all things Lovecraft. Each to their own
Don't get it. This is a heavily Playstation / hardcore / From Software centric forum. I'm actually surprised the number isn't higher.
BB is definitely in my top 10 GOAT.
Yes. I'm also criticizing a cryptic game for being... cryptic. Some people who are sensitive to that sort of thing are also criticizing a game with poor performance for having... poor performance. I didn't notice that part but it's a valid enough criterion that it should also be... considered.
Games that are too challenging are games... that people don't want to play. If people don't want to play a game... it's not accessible. If it's not accessible... it's flawed. If it's not accessible to the extent that this game is... it's not in the running for greatest game of all time.
That's not how any of this works, especially when you consider BB is one of this forum's darling games. 20% is on the low end taking that into account.
It's one thing to say "this game is my favorite", it's another to say 'this game is the best". The distinction here is important.
Of course both are also subjective but to extremely different degrees, which allows for better discussion.
I doubt even .01% of all humans will find it to be the GOAT tbh... if you're appeasing to a popularity contest over the entire population pretty sure a mobile game will win GOAT.
I doubt more than 5% of the worlds population have heard of Bloodborne, yeah.
I love Bloodborne but it's still a flawed game. Terrible framepacing, long loading times and the chalice dungeon stuff is a chore to go through because its tileset is so limited and its generation rarely makes anything fun. It doesn't have a lot of quality of life features like being able to respec. Byrgenworth and Lecture Building are totally half assed levels.
It's one of my favorite games but I really would love a PC version just so that modders can dig into it and elevate it further. Some of the PS4 mods are already really cool but can only do so much and are not accessible to most because you need a hacked PS4.
It's one of my favorite games but I really would love a PC version just so that modders can dig into it and elevate it further. Some of the PS4 mods are already really cool but can only do so much and are not accessible to most because you need a hacked PS4.
Yeah, .01% of the world population puts the bar at 750k people voting it in, which is probably reasonable to doubt. On this site alone there may be what 1k votes out of how many members? And it's skewed higher here than a typical average I'd bet. I'm not sure how much the game sold, but figure somewhere under 5% of it's sales are the votes it would get worldwide I'd bet.
Because it's also a very Nintendo centric forum, and most people probably consider BOTW the goat.
Those are some interesting leaps and false equivalencies. I think you underestimate how popular games like Bloodborne (and Souls, Sekiro, Nioh, etc.) are. They sell a lot, they get a lot of awards and have big playerbases, and they are designed to be challenging. That is not a flaw, that is what the subgenre is based on. I wouldn't mind if they added an "easy" mode to Souls for people who don't want to put in the time to get good and beat them, but I don't consider them inaccessible, and not every game has to appeal to every single player out there. I don't call RTS or 4X games inaccessible, because I have to think about my moves. Or having to learn my weapons and enemies in Monster Hunter. It's fine if a game is designed this way, and the challenge in Bloodborne is not "bullshit" for it to be a flaw.
You absolutely can't say it's equal to games having poor performance, no game is designed from the ground up to with poor performance.
GTA V is the best game ever made, if you like it or not.
Bloodbourne probably isn't even around top 100 best games ever made. So that would be a "no" to OP's question.
Bloodbourne probably isn't even around top 100 best games ever made. So that would be a "no" to OP's question.
A game's qualities don't have to be unintentional to count as flaws. Often, conscious design decisions are design mistakes and detract from the game. In Bloodborne's case, the difficulty and obscurity of the storyline detract from it and remove it from contention of greatest game ever made
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