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RE7 is an absolute triumph and should be respected as such
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Err no, it's a horror-adventure with a bit of action, before RE:4 that was the games always were.
Ah ok, I always assumed it was put into the horror/action genre.
Thanks for the clarification.
I played the demo and would love to play it on VR on PC, but I guess it is not happening is it?
I think it would have been an even better game if it had no combat a la Outlast. Maybe. I don't know. It's a solid 8/10.
I do. Usually a couple of times a year.
The controls are what they are. To an extent, calling them "awkward" is objectively true. But I would also argue learning those systems, dealing with them and then watching your own progression as you perfect them is definitely fun. Like I say, the first play-through of a good RE game should always be tense, but tension has never been the only or even defining factor of re-playing the games. I have RE1 down to essentially a race track now, or a diorama of challenges to undertake, and the controls are still a part of that. And that really has been the case since the beginning. The best RE games have always been both.
It's not playable in VR, which automatically makes RE7 superior. It's one of the most memorable things I've ever played.
I finished it in VR. It's not that bad, especially the second half of the game.
Yeah, it's a fantastic game.
Also, the story it tells doesn't get anywhere near enough credit. I actually think it's got one of the best videogame stories I've ever come across.
Also, the story it tells doesn't get anywhere near enough credit. I actually think it's got one of the best videogame stories I've ever come across.
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I have to agree with this statement, there's a lot of great things in 7 I appreciate and love for what it attempted. Biggest one for me is never to be one afraid to go out of its comfort skin to be bold on a different perspective and take risks, as always has been with this series and the amazing minds behind it.
Also Zoe is a damn cutie, oh lawd.
Just wondering but what makes the story so fantastic in your opinion? I wasn't a huge fan but I'm interested to see what others think.
Not even close to true.
Both games have a slightly less great final third, but both have incredible opening and mid sections. Neither is in contest with the other and both are a massive return to form after 5 and 6 (and I like 5 and 6)
RE7 has one of the most unique atmospheres in gaming, too. Such a great experience the first time through.
It's not an action game but it has a lot of the action elements that require 60fps in its gameplay. Not to mention it being a first person game.
30fps is only really fine for turn based games and games devoid of fast responsive gameplay feedback.
I'm glad that Capcom at least tried to go back to the series' horror roots with RE7, and it seemingly also allowed for REmake 2, but it won't be remembered by me as being a great game. It felt less like an actual RE game and more just a "modern" horror game like so many others that had come out more recently, and the tone was more Rob Zombie than Umbrella on top of that. I'm sure it was great in VR, but as a normal game with a regular perspective and controls, I found it severely lacking in the gameplay department.
For me, its existence matters more than the game itself.
For me, its existence matters more than the game itself.
The dlc's add lore to the Baker family and how they came across Eveline, How they were before what happened. Really fascinating stuff that kinda makes you feel for Jack and the family.
This. VR makes the game incredibly tense and scary, and the setting is perfect. Yes, it's more Texas Chainsaw Massacre than RE but who cares, finally a RE that's actually creepy and disturbing instead of dumb. Can't wait to see what they can do with a better VR set.
Yeah pretty much, But i gotta say the whole of The Persistence made me on edge and scared wheras in RE7 when you're all kitted out towards the end it becomes less intense. 20 years ago opening doors was a loading screen, Now were opening them ourselves in VR slowly and peeking around the corner.
The first house and greenhouse are fantastic, Lucas is a slog, and by the time you get to the ship and mines it's mediocre.
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This is kind of what I'm getting at, I've got no problem calling it a flawed game, but what it's done for RE (and horror games in general) is exceptional.
Now, if RE8 is a combination of what makes RE7 great and addresses the flaws, well then that's an entirely different conversation.
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Not to hijack my own thread but I'm the verge of buying UD, it's nice to hear that it's good.
Yeah, maybe. I don't really like first-person usually for various reasons, but if they decide to continue with making it VR compatible, the mainline games will probably continue with that perspective; which is OK with some refinements. The biggest improvement they can make though overall is enemy variety...it was just extremely poor in RE7.
They should also change the aiming/zoom as well. It felt really bad to me (I wonder if this was a compromise because of VR), and even Remake 2 had problems in this area. It was supposed to be a third-person game, but it felt way too much like they almost just reused the same aiming controls as what they had with RE7. So it was a third-person game that controlled like a first-person almost. And no, I'm not asking for some modern TPS either, only that it actually feels good to use. Even though I did not particularly care for RE5, I think something closer to that with aiming would have felt a lot better. Could just be a general engine thing as well though.
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Do you think it could be optional first/third person? Would that work? I'm guessing they would have to swing with one or the other. I think 3rd person is good for more action-oriented REs and first is good for the likes of 7. I wonder what they settle on.
How many games have successfully implemented a good third-person perspective on top of first-person? I haven't played any that did this well, and the primary games that stick out were Bethesda RPGs...and their third-person was terrible. The level design and general gameplay interacts with the perspective, so I honestly don't see how they could, or even if they would consider doing this.
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Thinking about some of the confrontations in RE7 actually it would be a disaster in 3rd person, would be nice to get a reveal on RE8 soon.
Conceptually and in terms of the construction of the game world, it is a masterpiece.
It is hamstrung by the worst enemies in the entire series, IMO.
It is hamstrung by the worst enemies in the entire series, IMO.
- The strong, unique atmosphere/setting pulls you in.
- The characters (especially the Bakers) are memorable and intriguing. The way they made the Bakers the victims was good stuff.
- The game has a great sense of mystery.
- Less is indeed more. I love the smaller, more personal narrative.
- All the supernatural elements were handled well. Despite all the crazy stuff that happens, the game still manages to stay believable and grounded.
- The Eveline reveal with that photo at the end was super clever.
It's hard to pinpoint the exact reason why I like the story so much. It's a bit of everything really. Awesome setting. Amazing villains. Interesting mystery. It all felt extremely fresh and carefully thought out.
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Totally with you OP. It probably dethroned RE4 as my favorite Resident Evil. I loved everything about it.
First-half yes, and some of end-game.
When it tries to go all saw and such, it gets a bit iffy. Seems like RE5/RE6 Capcom was still getting influence in. RE5 and RE6 Capcom need to be put in a closet and never allowed back out.
But it's the best RE there has been. Yes, even better than RE2.
Zombies/T-Virus shit is best, go back to it Capcom. Black goop and shit were a bit meh, especially with the diversity of enemies.
When it tries to go all saw and such, it gets a bit iffy. Seems like RE5/RE6 Capcom was still getting influence in. RE5 and RE6 Capcom need to be put in a closet and never allowed back out.
But it's the best RE there has been. Yes, even better than RE2.
Zombies/T-Virus shit is best, go back to it Capcom. Black goop and shit were a bit meh, especially with the diversity of enemies.
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I don't understand the comparison, I mean, RE2 feels soooooo much different from RE7. Apples and oranges IMO
I would actually say RE7VR is a system seller and worth it alone, But yeah it's criminal PCVR hasn't got the VR treatment yet of RE7.
I'll go on record and say it's impossible for me to play RE7 on the tv after VR, Pancake Resi just feels dated and generations behind after VR.
You think if we all spam Capcoms twitter they might listen?
No it isn't. The big moments hit waaaaaay harder in RE7. RE7 is scarier, boss fights are in a different league and it's just a more memorable experience. RE2 has stronger overall level design and was more authentic classic RE, but it didn't have the highs of RE7's big moments. There was nothing to rival the opening of RE7. Nothing like the Mia fight. Nothing like the dinner scene. Nothing the Jack garage fight. Nothing like the Marguerite fight. I'm much more high on RE7.
Pretty much this, except I'd say leaving the house is when the game shits the bed. The story in 7 is laughably bad, hell Dead Aim is better.
I thought it was a sometimes-great and sometimes-really-bad start of a new era for Resident Evil, kind of like a good concept that wasn't really fleshed-out all that well.
It feels a bit like a hodgepodge and while I really enjoyed some sections, the fact it's so short and that the entire last 1/3 goes from kind of lame to utter dog shit by the end of it really soured me on it on my second playthrough. I also think the Molded, overall enemy encounters and combat in general is thoroughly unenjoyable and more annoying than anything.
The most memorable aspect of RE7 to me is always the hope for a truly fleshed-out and bigger, better version of it for RE8.
BadWolf my man. REMake 2 shits on this game from dizzying heights as far as I'm concerned.
It feels a bit like a hodgepodge and while I really enjoyed some sections, the fact it's so short and that the entire last 1/3 goes from kind of lame to utter dog shit by the end of it really soured me on it on my second playthrough. I also think the Molded, overall enemy encounters and combat in general is thoroughly unenjoyable and more annoying than anything.
The most memorable aspect of RE7 to me is always the hope for a truly fleshed-out and bigger, better version of it for RE8.
BadWolf my man. REMake 2 shits on this game from dizzying heights as far as I'm concerned.
It's a really great game and the invogoration the series needed again, but I can't place it as a top tier RE, it has some glaring flaws.
Poor enemy variety, a heavily scripted and unskippable intro that becomes tedious on replays, puzzle and map complexity feels too much like classic RE on training wheels, and a noticeable dip in quality after the Margueritte boss fight with a pretty bad final slog to the last boss.
Again, its a great game overall, but the RE2 remake was substantially better imo.
Poor enemy variety, a heavily scripted and unskippable intro that becomes tedious on replays, puzzle and map complexity feels too much like classic RE on training wheels, and a noticeable dip in quality after the Margueritte boss fight with a pretty bad final slog to the last boss.
Again, its a great game overall, but the RE2 remake was substantially better imo.
Nah Lucas's section is unique and still great. The first time you knife a box and have it blow up in your face is great and sets the tone for the area. Navigating past his traps was really cool. You're introduced to the fat molded in a great way. Happy Birthday was absolutely fantastic and a highlight of the game.
The ship? Straight up the most underappreciated part of the game and was absolutely brilliant. The flashback did its job advancing the story, but the real shine was the present day ship. Great level design pure RE and the decision to take away all your stuff for this level and make you start with nothing was genius. That early part of the ship when you're navigating past molded with nothing to defend yourself with is some of the scariest parts of the game.
The mines wasn't so hot just a simple shooting gallery to the finish. But it was short and hardly put a damper on the game.
RE2 Remake post police station took a bigger dive in quality than RE7 did post house. MUCH bigger. The lab is just shite honestly.
Great game and I was impressed that Capcom did so well going first person after so many of their other games (all of them?) were third person. The DLCs are also really good and quite different from the main game.
My only complaint was the ugly slime enemies were kinda boring.
My only complaint was the ugly slime enemies were kinda boring.