Ray Fisher will not work on any film associated with DC films president Walter Hamada

Arthands · Dec 30, 2020

Ray Fisher Says He’s Done Working With DC Films President Walter Hamada

Ray Fisher says he won't work with DC Films President Walter Hamada after WarnerMedia's investigation of "Justice League."

variety.com

"Justice League" star Ray Fisher says he will not work on any film associated with DC Films President Walter Hamada in the wake of WarnerMedia's investigation into the alleged misconduct on the superhero film set. The announcement appears to effectively end Fisher's brief tenure as the DC superhero Cyborg after the release of Zack Snyder's four-hour director's cut of "Justice League" on HBO Max in 2021.

I guess Justice League is his last appearance as Cyborg unless Walter Hamada is removed.

Border · Dec 30, 2020

I don't think they were exactly looking to hire him again.....especially since they've given up on the idea of a shared continuity, and it likely costs a few thousand dollars for every second that his character is on-screen.

Vic_Viper · Dec 30, 2020

Is this guy just trying to wreck his entire career now? I mean, I get going after Joss Whedon and Johns if they did something wrong. But then going after the WB DC Film's President feels like something others in the industry will see as being a bad move, unless something actually comes out to support Ray's accusations.

AINTneauxACID · Dec 30, 2020

That article talks about the Snyder Cut being the end of the road so maybe he's upset about that. Idk

Fj0823 · Dec 30, 2020

I know its not fair given the gravity of the accusations against Johns and Whedon, but unfortunately his character gives him exactly zero leverage, no one really cares about Cyborg much less that take. Unlike Gadot and Momoa that have them by the balls and could actually get a response if they threatened to leave.

Unless of course the investigation finds something big on Hamada and it goes public, then again this whole investigation will probably end with a "We investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong" BS

BadAss2961 · Dec 30, 2020

Ray just taking a wrecking ball to his whole career.

Good luck bro.

Stopdoor · Dec 30, 2020

Super weird how this thread is mostly people rationalizing why it's no big deal he's taking a stand on something. Like they totally glanced over there's investigation into misconduct he's obviously unhappy with?

BlackNMild2k1 · Dec 30, 2020

I'm glad he's trying to hold people accountable, but this is all very questionable as a career move.
Is he basically signaling this is his last movie, and especially for WB?
I don't know what else he's even been in besides this role.

MinusTydus · Dec 30, 2020

Stopdoor said:
Super weird how this thread is mostly people rationalizing why it's no big deal he's taking a stand on something. Like they totally glanced over there's investigation into misconduct he's obviously unhappy with?

It would be a big deal if he was contracted for multiple future films. He's not. They brought him back for ZSJL, and that's it.

More "You can't fire me, I quit" than taking a stand.

That's disregarding the allegations, he just plain was not invited back.

Slayven · Dec 30, 2020

I am with Ray, WB has a bad culture. Just google the last guy to have Hamada's job, that shit doesn't just disappear especially when they don't even attempt to look like they are doing better

a916 · Dec 30, 2020

Slayven said:
I am with Ray, WB has a bad culture. Just google the last guy to have Hamada's job, that shit doesn't just disappear especially when they don't even attempt to look like they are doing better

This is ultimately where I land as well. Couldn't have put it better.

Chumunga64 · Dec 30, 2020

We need an external investigator to find out what the hell is going on! no more "we investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong" crap

gimbles123 · Dec 30, 2020

Why is the immediate response in this thread an assessment of Fisher's career trajectory? How is the conversation not around supporting him? Weird lack of criticism for DC execs.

Slayven · Dec 30, 2020

a916 said:
This is ultimately where I land as well. Couldn't have put it better.

And yeah he might be burning bridges, but that probably shows how much this means to him.

Mariolee · Dec 30, 2020

There are more things important to people than their movie careers. I completely respect Ray for taking a stand even if people will deride him for supposedly not having a career going forward anyway. Dude has principles and I wish him the best in whatever venture he pursues next.

0h-so-Cold · Dec 30, 2020

Slayven said:
And yeah he might be burning bridges, but that probably shows how much this means to him.

Hopefully he didn't blacklist himself as a whole. Just with WB which I am happy for. We need trendsetters instead of people who stay quiet and just look the other way.

Operations · Dec 30, 2020

Chumunga64 said:
We need an external investigator to find out what the hell is going on! no more "we investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong" crap

That's up to the Board/shareholders of the company to decide. This is not a government entity, they don't have to comply with any level of disclosure.

Imperfected · Dec 30, 2020

I mean, they're probably vindictive enough they wouldn't let bygones be bygones after the investigation, anyway.

Either someone will respect him for standing up and give him another shot in the industry, or he was already on the "outs" as soon as he brought attention to the matter and he might as well stand by what's right and what he believes in at this point, anyway. I don't see any scenario where backing down and pretending to play nice about it works out for him at this late stage.

So more power to him, either way.

Desparadina · Dec 30, 2020

Some of yall really think it's worth it to deal with misconduct and racism in the industry and would rather he put up with that again than make a stand? So that the next black actor this happens too has to swallow their pride only for it to continue? The sentiment that his character wasn't an impactful part of the movies would seem to suggest that his claims aren't unfounded either. So why all the finger wagging over 'career trajectories' and 'leverage'?

Christian · Dec 30, 2020

Slayven said:
I am with Ray, WB has a bad culture. Just google the last guy to have Hamada's job, that shit doesn't just disappear especially when they don't even attempt to look like they are doing better

I'm with Ray, too. Considering everything he has to lose, I'd say him taking a stand like this should signal that something gross is going on. I understand that he doesn't have much of a career, but this is like taking an on-fire barbed-wired baseball bat to it.

jdmc13 · Dec 30, 2020

I don't blame Ray. I just feel bad that this hasn't gotten any traction that I can see. Hopefully, his career isn't impacted too much. Heck, maybe Marvel has an opening he could take.

Midramble · Dec 30, 2020

Being willing to wreck your own career gives more credence to the seriousness of what happened.

Choppasmith · Dec 30, 2020

gimbles123 said:
Why is the immediate response in this thread an assessment of Fisher's career trajectory? How is the conversation not around supporting him? Weird lack of criticism for DC execs.

I'm surprised by this as well. My first thought upon reading this was hoping he would find success elsewhere, maybe even Marvel in an ironic twist.

jett · Dec 30, 2020

I hope he has a plan for the next phase of his career, for his own sake. I get standing up for yourself, but the man is basically burning himself at this point.

Deleted member 2802 · Dec 30, 2020

jett said:
I'm not sure that's really up to him.

I hope he has another career to fall back on.

He was a classic theater actor.

Pandora012 · Dec 30, 2020

I mean, he probably didn't have to say that. Kinda obvious JL would be the last he'd work with them.

Kasumin · Dec 30, 2020

Desparadina said:
Some of yall really think it's worth it to deal with misconduct and racism in the industry and would rather he put up with that again than make a stand? So that the next black actor this happens too has to swallow their pride only for it to continue? The sentiment that his character wasn't an impactful part of the movies would seem to suggest that his claims aren't unfounded either. So why all the finger wagging over 'career trajectories' and 'leverage'?

I'm with you on this. The fact that he's a black actor is what has me paying a lot more attention to this. Hopefully he can land back on his feet, but like... geez. Think of how this could affect other black actors in the future. We already know anti-black racism is rampant in the US, at least Ray's pushing back in Hollywood.

Also... wasn't Hamada one of the WB executives who decided to release JL before the end of 2016 because he wanted a bonus that had to do with the AT&T merger? Scuttling one of your studio's major releases just so you can get a bigger paycheck to yourself is not a sign of good leadership.

BossAttack · Dec 30, 2020

Slayven said:
I am with Ray, WB has a bad culture. Just google the last guy to have Hamada's job, that shit doesn't just disappear especially when they don't even attempt to look like they are doing better

Yep. I respect Ray for sacrificing his film career to highlight this. He should be alright though since he was primarily a theater actor.

Wingfan19 · Dec 30, 2020

Kasumin said:
Also... wasn't Hamada one of the WB executives who decided to release JL before the end of 2016 because he wanted a bonus that had to do with the AT&T merger? Scuttling one of your studio's major releases just so you can get a bigger paycheck to yourself is not a sign of good leadership.

No, he didn't come aboard until Spring of 2018 after they cleared house.

Strider_Blaze · Dec 30, 2020

Oof! Can't blame him considering the studio treated him like dirt.

lupinko · Dec 30, 2020

Kasumin said:
I'm with you on this. The fact that he's a black actor is what has me paying a lot more attention to this. Hopefully he can land back on his feet, but like... geez. Think of how this could affect other black actors in the future. We already know anti-black racism is rampant in the US, at least Ray's pushing back in Hollywood.

Also... wasn't Hamada one of the WB executives who decided to release JL before the end of 2016 because he wanted a bonus that had to do with the AT&T merger? Scuttling one of your studio's major releases just so you can get a bigger paycheck to yourself is not a sign of good leadership.

lol no, that's Kevin Tsujihara, the former WB CEO.

BlackNMild2k1 · Dec 30, 2020

BossAttack said:
Yep. I respect Ray for sacrificing his film career to highlight this. He should be alright though since he was primarily a theater actor.

I guess he's kinda in a "what do I really have to lose" situation, since he clearly wasn't coming back for another WB movie any time soon anyway.

Replicant · Dec 30, 2020

gimbles123 said:
Why is the immediate response in this thread an assessment of Fisher's career trajectory? How is the conversation not around supporting him? Weird lack of criticism for DC execs.

Because whether we support him or not, he's basically ending his career at this point. No studio will come near him and he doesn't exactly have a long resume.

Blader · Dec 30, 2020

Fj0823 said:
I know its not fair given the gravity of the accusations against Johns and Whedon

I still don't understand what the accusations are! Has anything actually been said about what Whedon, Johns, et al. are alleged to have done? I think the only thing I've seen was an anecdote of Whedon talking shit about Snyder's cut of the film -- which is unprofessional and just kinda dickish, especially given what Snyder was going through at the time. But that doesn't exactly match up to the vague level of accusations being leveled over JL (and doesn't implicate Johns, Berg, or Hamada either).

Razgriz-Specter · Dec 30, 2020

Whats his issue with Hamada?
Hamada came in much later and seemingly wasn't involved with anything with him.

Unless he's mad about them seemingly cutting Cyborg out of Flash.

MisterR · Dec 30, 2020

Blader said:
I still don't understand what the accusations are! Has anything actually been said about what Whedon, Johns, et al. are alleged to have done? I think the only thing I've seen was an anecdote of Whedon talking shit about Snyder's cut of the film -- which is unprofessional and just kinda dickish, especially given what Snyder was going through at the time. But that doesn't exactly match up to the vague level of accusations being leveled over JL (and doesn't implicate Johns, Berg, or Hamada either).

I've never heard any actual allegations either. He's certainly ended his Hollywood career at any rate.

MoonToon · Dec 30, 2020

gimbles123 said:
Why is the immediate response in this thread an assessment of Fisher's career trajectory? How is the conversation not around supporting him? Weird lack of criticism for DC execs.

Yeah, I respect his resolve to not stand for this. reading post here it's like people are just saying "Rip his career ..." as if he's just screaming at clouds about non-sense.

Wingfan19 · Dec 30, 2020

Razgriz-Specter said:
Whats his issue with Hamada?
Hamada came in much later and seemingly wasn't involved with anything with him.

Unless he's mad about them seemingly cutting Cyborg out of Flash.

He's mad because Hamada asked Ray not to throw anyone under the bus. I'll see if I can find the tweet from Ray.

EDIT - Found it... Oh, I had it backwards.

Ray Fisher Says He’s Done Working With DC Films President Walter Hamada

Ray Fisher says he won't work with DC Films President Walter Hamada after WarnerMedia's investigation of "Justice League."

variety.com

The "Sept. 4th hit-piece" that Fisher referred to was a statement from Warner Bros. that Fisher refused to meet with the third-party investigators, a claim that he denied. The studio's statement followed a tweet from Fisher in which the actor alleged Hamada "attempted to throw Joss Whedon and Jon Berg under the bus in hopes that I would relent on Geoff Johns," a claim the studio denied.

mbpm · Dec 31, 2020

I believe that there's enough smoke that there's a fire, at least for Ray. I hope he finds his footing comfortably in the near future.

Kasumin · Dec 31, 2020

Wingfan19 said:
No, he didn't come aboard until Spring of 2018 after they cleared house.

lupinko said:
lol no, that's Kevin Tsujihara, the former WB CEO.

Ohhh, my mistake, then.

Still hope Fisher gets some justice.

Kevers · Dec 31, 2020

People upset that he's burning bridges with Warner and DC like he cares. His position in those films is over anyways.

Sacul64 · Dec 31, 2020

Disappointing to see the victim blaming here.

Trafalgar Law · Dec 31, 2020

as per usual some comments in this very disappointing, gal even confirmed she had issues with whedon
but per usual ray acting crazy for taking a public stand, whatever man

Trafalgar Law · Dec 31, 2020

Sacul64 said:
Disappointing to see the victim blaming here.

extremely so man

onpoint · Dec 31, 2020

BlackNMild2k1 said:
I guess he's kinda in a "what do I really have to lose" situation, since he clearly wasn't coming back for another WB movie any time soon anyway.

This is it exactly I think. I don't think he's burning his WB bridges, I think they're already burnt and he's taking a stand while he still has a voice possibly at the cost of working elsewhere. I really respect it and hope someone better hires him.

ZackieChan · Dec 31, 2020

Blader said:
I still don't understand what the accusations are! Has anything actually been said about what Whedon, Johns, et al. are alleged to have done? I think the only thing I've seen was an anecdote of Whedon talking shit about Snyder's cut of the film -- which is unprofessional and just kinda dickish, especially given what Snyder was going through at the time. But that doesn't exactly match up to the vague level of accusations being leveled over JL (and doesn't implicate Johns, Berg, or Hamada either).

Yeah, is there any info on this? Some article that lays it all out or something?

I don't see what people are saying in this thread as victim blaming, they're simply pointing out the reality that going HAM on WB doesn't just make WB not want to work with him, but every other studio. Whether he's right or wrong. No ones blaming him for what happened (whatever is is), but it's sad that a promising actor won't have the career he should have. Not his fault though, and if things were as bad as he's making it seem, I have a lot of respect for him.

DevilMayGuy · Dec 31, 2020

I feel like you don't set your career on fire like this unless he's speaking the truth. Like, this kind of public animosity is highly career limiting, even beyond wb, so he's gotta be real passionate and sincere about it

TheGreatDirector · Dec 31, 2020

Slayven said:
I am with Ray, WB has a bad culture. Just google the last guy to have Hamada's job, that shit doesn't just disappear especially when they don't even attempt to look like they are doing better

Yup. Shit need to be changed from the ground up.

Razgriz-Specter · Dec 31, 2020

Wingfan19 said:
He's mad because Hamada asked Ray not to throw anyone under the bus. I'll see if I can find the tweet from Ray.

EDIT - Found it... Oh, I had it backwards.

Ray Fisher Says He’s Done Working With DC Films President Walter Hamada

Ray Fisher says he won't work with DC Films President Walter Hamada after WarnerMedia's investigation of "Justice League."

variety.com

Thanks

jetpacks was yes · Dec 31, 2020

Sacul64 said:
Disappointing to see the victim blaming here.

Absolutely. Are people seriously concerned about his career? What are they, his agents? Obviously Fisher cares a lot more about the injustice here and wants the public to pay attention.

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