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Ray Fisher accuses Joss Wheadon of abuse on set of Justice League (Geoff Johns and Jon Berg named as enablers)
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Who she is is someone who gets upset at the idea of a black person voicing a cartoon dog. So, she can fuck off on all subjects.
I forgot that Nelson was at DC for a full decade. She would actually know stuff and is an important figure in Geoff´s upwards career.
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The more interesting thing here is that she was an executive. Those typically have to sign non-disparagement clauses. I wonder how close her comments come to violating it. That shit and years-long NDAs are the devils. All of this will be unraveled one day and it´s not really us who were wronged anyway. Let them fight.
Geoff had a white vest till 2017/18 when he got his demotion after many rapid promotions. Some of his comics (Infinite Crisis was controversial around release) or film/TV work got flack (Spike´s Blade, GL 2011, etc) but never him as a person. And then the dam burst in 2020. I point this out as I have been following the scene before he joined it professionally. His character being questioned came fully out of nowhere.
Joss Wheadon´s case on the other hand had been building for years. His The Nevers for Hbo Max resumed production in September 2020 after COVID put a brake on it but hundreds of jobs are on the line here. Let them finish S1 and WB will then have to go from there. Good luck with the press tour and Geoff had DC Fandome panels. As 3 Jokers which I watched. I have no idea what Jon Berg is up to right now and Fisher accused more than 3 people. He only bothered to name these by name. One of his accusers called him to apologize according to him. It's not all doom and gloom behind the scenes but we clearly aren´t seeing the full picture either.
Pre-taped interviews are the future for all sorts of WB figures for quite some time. That is my conclusion.
Diane Nelson (comics) - Wikipedia
Geoff had a white vest till 2017/18 when he got his demotion after many rapid promotions. Some of his comics (Infinite Crisis was controversial around release) or film/TV work got flack (Spike´s Blade, GL 2011, etc) but never him as a person. And then the dam burst in 2020. I point this out as I have been following the scene before he joined it professionally. His character being questioned came fully out of nowhere.
Joss Wheadon´s case on the other hand had been building for years. His The Nevers for Hbo Max resumed production in September 2020 after COVID put a brake on it but hundreds of jobs are on the line here. Let them finish S1 and WB will then have to go from there. Good luck with the press tour and Geoff had DC Fandome panels. As 3 Jokers which I watched. I have no idea what Jon Berg is up to right now and Fisher accused more than 3 people. He only bothered to name these by name. One of his accusers called him to apologize according to him. It's not all doom and gloom behind the scenes but we clearly aren´t seeing the full picture either.
Pre-taped interviews are the future for all sorts of WB figures for quite some time. That is my conclusion.
Forbes has an interview with Ray going into more detail
Much more at the link, hopefully this gets resolved soon.
EDIT - Please take the conversation to the new thread!
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Much more at the link, hopefully this gets resolved soon.
EDIT - Please take the conversation to the new thread!
[10/29] Ray Fisher Speaks Out On “Toxic” Set And WarnerMedia Investigation Into Justice League Production
Worth reading the whole article, there's a lot here. I posted this in the old thread, but New News = New Thread
www.resetera.com
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I believe him.
But even if you don't, about the treatment and conversations and gaslighting etc, the point above cannot be denied.
This is from yesterday about the editorial environment Geoff Johns succeeded in.
Hard to deny systemic racism when there is multiple credible accounts of system racism.
The most glaring removal, for me, was Iris West and her scene with Barry. Not only did it seem like a no brainer to keep the scene as a way to provide Barry with more depth beyond comedy relief - but as a longtime reader of Flash it's pretty hard to have Barry without Iris. Even if there was a practical reason, such as an intention to recast her in the Flash standalone film, it would have been harmless to keep a scene that was only a few minutes long.
Whedon's version was absolutely pathetic at putting across where the characters lived or any dynamics of their day to day lives.
Re Iris, I see Whedon shares traits with some of the scumbag racists who shit up the CW Flash page on Facebook with comments about how awful Iris is and how she ruins The Flash because he treats her as an equal rather than an underling.
I totally believe Fisher, but to be fair, the movie was absolutely gutted to fit a 2 hour runtime. I'm sure that'll be Whedon's defense there, but the skin tone thing.... lol
Actually on second thought, Whedon added a lot of his own bullshit to the runtime, so he really had no excuse to cut all those minority actors.
That entire article is required reading.
This stood out to me.
This goes for most business, especially corporate environments like creative and movie places, which is why it's so hard to get things taken seriously as a black person.
I hope Ray receives the justice he deserves.
This stood out to me.
This goes for most business, especially corporate environments like creative and movie places, which is why it's so hard to get things taken seriously as a black person.
I hope Ray receives the justice he deserves.
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I do think they would have caught flack if they left a scene with her in and recast her. Comic/comic movie fans are anal like that.
The weird thing is that I could have sworn the reason Cyborg is even in the Justice League is because of a call that Geoff Johns made for New 52, but maybe I'm mistaken (personally I would've preferred him kept in the Teen Titans but New 52 all but wiped them out)
I mean buffy and angel were pretty white. Gunn (J August Richard's character) also got done dirty a lot. I feel like most minority representation in Whedon's series was likely due to pushes from his brother as well as his sister-in-law.
Jesus Christ when you lay it out like that Whedon looks pretty damn suspect with these "creative decisions".
Marvel threw out their original Hulk and Thanos actors, I think comic fans would get over a 3rd black Iris West.
Marvel threw out their original Hulk and Thanos actors, I think comic fans would get over a 3rd black Iris West.
replace all the minority actors with some trash russian family non-characters and reshoot scenes with patented garbage Whedon cinematography. great stuff.
I'll do it, was gonna do it, but this thread wasn't that old, so I figured I'd just add to it.
EDIT - Please take the conversation to the new thread
[10/29] Ray Fisher Speaks Out On “Toxic” Set And WarnerMedia Investigation Into Justice League Production
Worth reading the whole article, there's a lot here. I posted this in the old thread, but New News = New Thread
www.resetera.com
Cool. Was about to start in on it myself. Just supremely annoyed that there's barely any posts in here after each update except that time everyone decided the big corporate media entity was definitely not lying when they said there was nothing to see.
