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Ray Fisher accuses Joss Wheadon of abuse on set of Justice League (Geoff Johns and Jon Berg named as enablers)
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That's surely one interpretation:
Pairing the actual allegations, which are very serious to him being mad because he didnt want to say "Booyah" seems off to me.
He has no reason not to. His career wasn't flourishing much anyway unfortunately.
Oh making "up". You may want to add that to your original post for clarity.
I would understand where you're coming from if Berg's response was something something more wishy washy. But he is very literally saying it is a lie.
You highlight that the quote continues to diminish Ray's claims but Berg is calling him a liar. You can't really diminish it more than that.
Which is why if other actors come out to cooperate Ray's claims and say there was in fact on-set abuse and that Berg enabled it, it's going to look even worse for Berg now that he put his foot down so firmly.
I really, really hope that other actors comment on this in a firm way. If it's true, letting Ray sit alone in an ocean with the claim would really suck. If it's false, that obviously should be known as well.
Johns might be a creep
and this too
If so then yikes, Stargirl is airing and I wonder how this might effect the show if more folks come out
and this too
If so then yikes, Stargirl is airing and I wonder how this might effect the show if more folks come out
It's a deflection. Only admitted to the minor greivances to make it seems like the person complaining is going overboard.
That is my take as well. But the other user make it seem like he was just telling a possible example in which he was mad and maybe that's why Ray got the impression of unprofessional behavior or issues on the set, but it is obviously that is not the case.
I wonder if it has anything to do with how empowered Ray felt with the creative decisions with Snyder there. And then Whedon comes in and due to a time crunch he is short and rude and not taking creative input from the cast due to time crunch and Ray didn't feel heard, made that clear and Joss got mad at him and kept a grudge.
Unless we know what the actual examples are all we got is speculation
Unless we know what the actual examples are all we got is speculation
I don't even like Whedon, I just think it's somewhat expected for any director in those same circumstances (reshooting a big budget movie ~4 months from release) to be a complete asshole to everyone on set.
It's only by a small vocal group that's how it seems like to me. I always see the same posters running to shit on him or post stuff that didn't necessarily end up being the full story or even true. It is happening in this very thread.
I see. You and Bor are talking about vocal minority and axe to grind in DC related thread??
Wow... man some people on ERA really lack self awareness...
OT, good for Ray to speak up. Seems like JL really had a troubled production.
It's hilarious because some users do the exact same thing about snyder. This will be the only time I mention him in this thread because of that mod warning. Anyways good for Ray if he was abused by Whedon he should be about tell his story. Also I'm a big fan of Whedon's so it's sad to see his career basically come to this with the accusations from his ex and now Ray.
That Geoff Johns shit should definitely be a thread because it kind of feels like we might be at the tip of the iceberg with that story.
On this story: I wonder what the hell Joss Whedon was thinking. He seems like someone who doesn't deal with stress well (see: Avengers: Age of Ultron) and I can imagine taking over Justice League was a stressful situation, but you don't treat the staff and crew like shit for any reason. Ever.
On this story: I wonder what the hell Joss Whedon was thinking. He seems like someone who doesn't deal with stress well (see: Avengers: Age of Ultron) and I can imagine taking over Justice League was a stressful situation, but you don't treat the staff and crew like shit for any reason. Ever.
Joss isn't involved in the day to day for SHIELD, so he could easily come back knowing he wouldn't see Whedon at all after the pilot. He might need to take the opportunities he gets, no matter how he feels about Whedon.
Johns would silently be pushed off the project. Johns isn't a stable presence anyway, the minute he has a new toy he moves onto the new toy and leaves the old behind. And you know, Berlanti managed to push away Kreisberg away without too much issues, and that guy was running two shows.
That stress could at least be an excuse as well for Berg and Johns in regards to Justice League, both got demoted after it failed. They knew that would happen. But that heavily depends on Whedon's actual behavior - just an asshole that tried to get the film finished asap or racism/sexism - and doesn't excuse Johns other behavior.
After the Neill Druckman thing she can keep her third hand rumors to herself.
You'll have to be specific since Druckman is going all out on a lot of people. All I've seen her do is accuse of him of name searching himself.
here. Closed thread, but a good overview. The model for one of the characters was getting death threats, Druckmann himself antisemitic threats (which you can see here). See thought that was worth a rant about how others have it worse.
That Gita account has me blocked on Twitter. I did a search and can't even find a tweet I made where I @ the account.
The hell?
The hell?
I'm personally not seeing anything there that negates her opinions on Whedon.
Her comment on Whedon is incredibly vague and not of her own personal experience.
the Johns stuff is a big yikes if it's true
pretty sure people use block lists so if you are following someone she's blocked you in turn get blocked too, might be wrong but i think that's how it works
pretty sure people use block lists so if you are following someone she's blocked you in turn get blocked too, might be wrong but i think that's how it works
I tried searching, but did Fisher make a specific allegation? Being this vague when going public and letting people's imaginations run wild with what "abusive" means to them is really shitty. He basically dropped a Tweet then refused to elaborate when contacted by the press.
There is a massive difference between "I heard he is demeaning and cheats on his wife" and "this man is a sex predator" to me.
There is a massive difference between "I heard he is demeaning and cheats on his wife" and "this man is a sex predator" to me.
I assume that Whedon was stressed beyond belief having taken this job which turned out to be a poisoned chalice. No excuse for poor on-set behaviour, obviously, but I reckon his state of mind will have had something to do with this. I presume we're not talking about any form of physical/sexual assault here?
"Meager pieces of gossip" isn't really anything to stack. Especially when you give such brought group terms and timeframes.
Imo, I think it's something worth noting that falls in-line with other gossipy stuff said about Whedon.
I think there's more than enough evidence out there proving Joss Whedon is a trash human being. Referring to himself as a Greek god with women at his feet never ever sat with me. Guy is trash.
It's somewhat ironic given the mod post, but according to Kevin Smith, Joss Whedon trash talked Snyder's rough cut, making things uncomfortable on set.
If that is true that is especially shitty given that Snyder had to step away because of his daughter's death. Even if you don't like his work, have some compassion.
I believe Kevin 100%. And that's a bad precedent to set on a film set.
Not like he's the only one trashing Snyder, that's pretty commonplace all around the internet.
I guess he just forgot that it's one thing to talk like that on the comment section of birthmoviesdeath, and a very different thing to do that in to the face of the people who are currently making the actual movie.
So, some new developments have occurred since the initial tweets and subsequent third-party investigation launched by Warner. Ray made new allegations against Geoff Johns a few weeks ago:
And today, Ray accused the head of DC Films, Walter Hamada, of trying to throw Whedon and Berg under the bus to protect Johns:
Now, Warner has released an official statement denying his claims and says that he is not cooperating the investigation:
www.hollywoodreporter.com
And today, Ray accused the head of DC Films, Walter Hamada, of trying to throw Whedon and Berg under the bus to protect Johns:
Now, Warner has released an official statement denying his claims and says that he is not cooperating the investigation:
Warner Bros. Says Ray Fisher Not Cooperating with ‘Justice League’ Misconduct Investigation
Late Friday night, a Warner Bros. spokesperson released a statement addressing the allegations and subsequent investigation made by Justice League actor Ray Fisher concerning his accusations of "abusive" on set treatment.
www.hollywoodreporter.com
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None of his statements have done him any favors, if they are true than insane but it seems hard to believe him with how he's being acting.
He wanted a third-party investigator. A third-party investigator came in. Ray doesn't want to talk to the third-party investigator.
He won't cooperate with the 3rd party investigator he asked for. So starts to look like he may not be honest or was not completely honest at least in the stuff he was accusing someone of doing.