He looks like many actors do when promoting something bad. We saw it with the JL cast, the Game of Thones cast, etc. There's nothing to read into with that clip. We're just looking for things.
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Ray Fisher accuses Joss Wheadon of abuse on set of Justice League (Geoff Johns and Jon Berg named as enablers)
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He looks like many actors do when promoting something bad. We saw it with the JL cast, the Game of Thones cast, etc. There's nothing to read into with that clip. We're just looking for things.
Fair assessment. I guess with Ray Fisher obviously praising Joss before and completely retracting it now, I find it harder to assume people feel like they can talk freely in interviews that promote their current project, but it's just as possible that J August nodding was in support of Charisma and not saying that his own experience was the same. Like I said, I would love to hear his thoughts now, no matter what they are.
Either way, it's pretty clear that Charisma got fucked over with Angel. The details of it are what we're missing and her being fired would be bigger than just a Joss thing. I believe Jeff Bell was more involved in season 4 than Joss, as Joss had put his focus into Firefly at that point (and then Buffy would wrap up after Firefly was cancelled). And something like that is going to have Fox/The WB involved as well.
Charisma has outright denied rumors that she "hid" her pregnancy until the last possible moment, making the writers scramble. And her exit was clearly poor, though she did return the following season for that (beautiful) farewell episode.
The whole thing is weird. But I feel like if we're ever going to find out the truth about it, this would likely be the moment right here. But it seems like her and Joss patched things up within the past few years so she might not get involved in the dialogue.
Ezra's other actions may show us something but I don't know what this proves. What was he going to do, refuse to do the scene? Somehow even as a white male I don't think he had as much pull as Gadot.
Whedon had very little (basically none) on set interactions with anything Angel related.
So target the cross over characters over exclusive ones.
Well this is a perfectly stupid statement after all the trash that was reported about Whedon and his relationships with actresses.
We're really just missing a hint that it's racist stuff (beyond cutting all of the minorities roles out of the film) and that's a bingo, as far as shitty tweets go.
So target the cross over characters over exclusive ones.
Well this is a perfectly stupid statement after all the trash that was reported about Whedon and his relationships with actresses.
We're really just missing a hint that it's racist stuff (beyond cutting all of the minorities roles out of the film) and that's a bingo, as far as shitty tweets go.
I hate this kind of comments. Like who doesn't know that people can act differently with different people. A lot of POS wife beaters are very nice guys to everyone else?
"All that trash" was a single accusation from his ex-wife, to be clear. I don't believe any actress ever corroborated what his ex-wife said and a number of them continued to work with him (including Eliza Dushku, who has been very open with her on-set experiences regarding abuse and harassment).
I cant stand whedon and his trash output either, i wonder if more accounts will come up from people of on set abuse or if fisher will elaborate.
Also it was odd that he got fired from Batgirl (over some sort of sexual harrassment or skeevy stuff i forgot the details of that so if somebody could correct me that would be dope) and then handed an HBO show about a year later. So i genuinely dont know what to believe about the guy.
Also it was odd that he got fired from Batgirl (over some sort of sexual harrassment or skeevy stuff i forgot the details of that so if somebody could correct me that would be dope) and then handed an HBO show about a year later. So i genuinely dont know what to believe about the guy.
You realize you could Google first before claiming someone was fired for sexual harassment, right?
Joss Whedon Exits ‘Batgirl’ Movie (Exclusive)
The Bat signal is being dimmed … for now.
www.hollywoodreporter.com
I don't understand what the first part here has to do with the second? Both Snyder and Whedon are white
Good on him, really. We don't have enough details to know what kind of abuse Ray is talking about, but it can come down to him not having good chemistry with Josh and Josh not being to handle an actor he doesn't like and being a POS on set, while being adorable with actors he likes.
Whedon was notorious on Buffy and Angel for having his favourites. Acker, Denisof, Masterms, Alison H. Just look at how awful the writing for Xander got later on in Buffy. I can completely buy him being a tone deaf asshole to actors and characters he doesn't care for and doesn't understand. Shit, he was was openly liking tweets criticising Steppenwolf in Justice League. Instead of, ya know, trying to fix what isn't working he just doubles on being passive aggressive or, indeed, just plain aggressive.
And Fisher unfortunately suffered for that. I'm sure Gadot got shit too, but she had the Wonder Woman clout to tell Joss where to shove his belligerence,
I'm saying even in white spaces whiteness isn't a monolith. Zach found and cast Fisher and (from what I understand) put him in the forefront/empowered him. Then Whedon came and the dynamic completely shifted. Not implying Fisher's reduced role/ treatment on set were explicitly due to his race but I've had similar experiences. We're still waiting for more info to come out but I don't find it hard to believe that Whedon took over and had very set idea's on which stories/actors/voices he wanted to highlight.
Ugh please stop.
It isclear that both, Ray Fisher and Momoa are in an uncomfortable moment by what Ray was forced to say at that moment, it has nothing to do with promoting the movie itself.
Based on what? Like, I'm not batting for Whedon here, but has this been corroborated in any way? Because I've never heard of this.
It is only "clear" in that they likely knew the production and film was a mess. It is absolutely not "clear" that Momoa was reacting to some known abuse from Whedon and enabling by Johns.
You are asking about what his ex-wife said about him or about the Amy Acker thing?
Momoa's reaction is pretty clear to me. But i guess we should wait how the entire cast reacts to these allegations (If they react at all)
No. It likely comes from the fact that Acker is one of the people he continues to work with and remain friends with, as she appeared in a number of things after (Dollhouse, Cabin in the Woods, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.).
A number of people are throwing out random stuff in the thread, from random "rumors" without a single source behind it to casually dropping lies about him getting fired from a movie for sexual harassment.
Acker. I posted earlier about his ex-wife and am well-aware of that. I'm well-aware that she said that he had "casting couch" situations. However, no names were ever given nor were the claims ever corroborated so to throw out a random name like that is problematic.
"Ray is getting revenge for having to say boo yah." -Actual response to Fisher's comments
comicbook.com
Justice League Producer Denies Ray Fisher's Claim, Says He Was Upset When Asked to Say "Booyah"
Former Warner Bros. co-president of production Jon Berg has fired back at Ray Fisher's allegation [...]
comicbook.com
Wheadon may have done some bad shit, but some fans really have an axe to grind with him, accusing him of things which aren't true.
Seeing his reputation go down the toilet on the internet over the past few years has been strange, when the first Avengers film came out, dude was beloved by so many people.
"Ray is getting revenge for having to say boo yah." -Actual response to Fisher's comments
Justice League Producer Denies Ray Fisher's Claim, Says He Was Upset When Asked to Say "Booyah"
Former Warner Bros. co-president of production Jon Berg has fired back at Ray Fisher's allegation [...]
Well, Jon Berg is definitely guilty.
"Ray is getting revenge for having to say boo yah." -Actual response to Fisher's comments
Justice League Producer Denies Ray Fisher's Claim, Says He Was Upset When Asked to Say "Booyah"
Former Warner Bros. co-president of production Jon Berg has fired back at Ray Fisher's allegation [...]
If he wants to make a case against Ray's comments. He is doing a poor job.
Here's the letter that Kai Cole, Joss Whedon's ex-wife, wrote that talks about all the, well quite frankly messed up shit Joss apparently did. Like affairs with co-workers, cast members, fans, and so on.
https://www.thewrap.com/joss-whedon-feminist-hypocrite-infidelity-affairs-ex-wife-kai-cole-says/
I think this is the most relevant to the current topic, as the rest deals primarily with his treatment of her and how it affected her, which is honestly quite awful.
So Joss doing shady shit on set, not a new thing, but not actually said by anyone other than his wife until recently. So we'll see if these old stories arise out of the wood work because at the bottom of the article, this pops up:
So it's hard to say, because like I said, the rest of that letter contains the rest of it dealing with specifically his relationship with her and confession of abuse to her. So what inaccuracies there are, if any, hard to say.
https://www.thewrap.com/joss-whedon-feminist-hypocrite-infidelity-affairs-ex-wife-kai-cole-says/
I think this is the most relevant to the current topic, as the rest deals primarily with his treatment of her and how it affected her, which is honestly quite awful.
So Joss doing shady shit on set, not a new thing, but not actually said by anyone other than his wife until recently. So we'll see if these old stories arise out of the wood work because at the bottom of the article, this pops up:
So it's hard to say, because like I said, the rest of that letter contains the rest of it dealing with specifically his relationship with her and confession of abuse to her. So what inaccuracies there are, if any, hard to say.
"Ray is getting revenge for having to say boo yah." -Actual response to Fisher's comments
Justice League Producer Denies Ray Fisher's Claim, Says He Was Upset When Asked to Say "Booyah"
Former Warner Bros. co-president of production Jon Berg has fired back at Ray Fisher's allegation [...]
What a pisspoor retort.
However, if gives me the opportunity to post Doom Patrol clips I'll take it
If this is true, I really hope the rest of the cast will come out and support him instead of being silent.
Me neither! But that's also because Whedon is a different director with very different visual and storytelling sensibilities than Snyder, who was brought onboard to rework someone else's script and direct someone else's cast, so it wouldn't surprise me that he naturally ended up highlighting different actors/characters than Snyder would have. I would also imagine the negative reception to BvS and the positive reception to WW influenced how certain characters ended up being portrayed. I take your point about Snyder giving Fisher more of a seat at the table than Whedon. I just don't know how much their whiteness was a part of it since they are both white guys. But we also don't know much about the situation so maybe more will come out on that front.
(I would also think that, given how Cyborg is arguably the most boring and inessential member of the team, he was also the easiest character to start cutting/rewriting.)
Yeah this.
I do wonder what Joss was doing on set, hopefuly we get some details on this.
What do you mean based on what? It's just a vibe I get from interviews and their working relationship. That's why I said that it's just my speculation, to avoid this exact response. Take it with a grain of salt.
I remember an old interview with David Greenwalt where he confirmed Charisma told them early during pre production of season 4 when the writers had only broken the first three or four episodes of the season so there was no scramble as she wouldn't start showing for months.
To this day I don't understand what the problem was, tv shows have either hidden or incorporated pregnancies forever and Cordelia wasn't even a character who did a lot of physical stuff on set so I'm not sure what plans would have been derailed specifically, if they didn't want to include her pregnancy they didn't have to.
It's not a great response but you know that isn't what he said. "Actual response," indeed.
This is probably the most 2020 response I should have expected."Ray is getting revenge for having to say boo yah." -Actual response to Fisher's comments
Justice League Producer Denies Ray Fisher's Claim, Says He Was Upset When Asked to Say "Booyah"
Former Warner Bros. co-president of production Jon Berg has fired back at Ray Fisher's allegation [...]
Paraphrasing aside. Please tell me what were the intentions of "casually" saying he was "upset" when discussing the allegations?
I believe he's trying to say that that is the only situation he could think of where there was an issue on set regarding Ray.
Its paired with him denying he enabled any abuse.
According to people on here if you come out you might get blacklisted AND your life might be in serious threat if you call people out on their unprofessionalism so instead just like tweets about it !
way to go Gal Gadot! Patty Jenkins! Keep liking those tweets!
maybe we get more songs from Gal Gadot instead
Rest of the cast still have relatively active careers and are implored to keep silent by their publicists. I wouldn't expect anything from central cast members.
A few actors in JL are bigger names and likely have more power than Whedon at this point. No one is getting blacklisted if they corroborate Ray's claim.