Worried? It's tracking to be the biggest game this year based on preorders alone
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Randy Pitchford explains his support for EGS. (See Staff Post)
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Btw, the people who made that pdf and hosting it, bra-fucking-vo.
You are doing exactly what the gaming press isn't. While that is a sad and sobering realization, I commend what you put together there and voicing the valid concerns of the Epic Game Store without parroting the PR talking points.
You all rock!
You are doing exactly what the gaming press isn't. While that is a sad and sobering realization, I commend what you put together there and voicing the valid concerns of the Epic Game Store without parroting the PR talking points.
You all rock!
For EGS specifically? Dunno. Talking in general. Source is Benji
The best thing about Borderlands 3 coming out is going to be the unbelievable PR nightmare that occurs every time this man opens his mouth. Can't wait to see what he has in store over the next 6 months!
Randy should just take his paycheck and shut up. Engaging in moronic arguments defense of the pay he just took is just a bad look and will make people resentful of his company's products.
To be fair, that's based on what it's looking like for the game on consoles. Not that I would be foolish enough to suggest that it won't do well on EGS, but the numbers that Benji was referencing aren't saying much of anything about where the PC version is at.
What do you think this thread is about, or what Randy is even talking about? Of course someone talking about preorders here would be just the Epic store.
We don't have any numbers or even hints about the preorders from the EpicStore. Epic deliberately does not show anything outside of PR statements.
Agreed. Shame some people are reporting it which lead to it being removed from Google for breach of TOS 🤔
I'm saying he has no reason to be worried about pre orders in general. And they most likely took a 9 figure paycheck for EGS anyway, doubt he's all that worried if PC is tracking lower than usual.
EGS paid $100,000,000+ for a 6-month exclusive? They'd have to sell about 2 million copies in those 6-months to break even.
edit: Wikipedia sales data seems out-of-date. My bad. Still don't think they received a 9-figure moneyhat.
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There is no value in the comments of someone who got paid to be on EGS. They are biased and we should ignore their opinions.
If they want to "save" PC games, where are their sales numbers? You can't save anything if you are not showing market share gain in that industry. All we got was some fudged numbers for one high profile game. Contrast EGS' obfuscation to all the indie devs celebrating good sales numbers from the Switch (which I'm sure Nintendo did not pay then all to do). If EGS sales were knocking it out of the park we would know.
If they want to "save" PC games, where are their sales numbers? You can't save anything if you are not showing market share gain in that industry. All we got was some fudged numbers for one high profile game. Contrast EGS' obfuscation to all the indie devs celebrating good sales numbers from the Switch (which I'm sure Nintendo did not pay then all to do). If EGS sales were knocking it out of the park we would know.
Errrr, BL2 sold 11 over million on PC and over 25 million across everything
why is it that so many EGS defenders try to downplay anti-EGS arguments with comparisons to the alt-right 🤔
Why is it so hard to just say "we like the money upfront, it gives us some extra financial security to make payroll, and we like the 12% cut and would like to see it lowered across the board, so for these two reasons we support Epic"
Just be honest without the unnecessary spin ffs
Just be honest without the unnecessary spin ffs
Because they buy into Epic's PR and are in bed with them.
Unlike the Satisfactory devs which admitted up front this is just for the money they got paid. And you haven't really heard anything else about them, no drama or anything.
When Borderlands 3 comes out Randy will most certainly tweet out the same wishy-washy "we did x% better during the first x minutes of the first x hours of launch for BL3 than Borderlands 2 did during the same time on Steam" that Deep Silver did for Metro.
Say it did better but be incredibly vague about the numbers, mainly by not providing any actual numbers or how they drew their conclusions.
Your post is infinitely better than the Google Doc I read. The Google Doc is full of false/leading questions and tried to portray itself as balanced whilst coming across as completely 1 sided.
Anyone who cites that PDF as somehow "winning" the argument seems to be missing the point.
With the list youve posted above, I can actually see and understand the features that are missing...at the moment...and that matters as games are exclusive right now.
I do believe the longer term arguments though. EGS cannot pay for scloosies forever, so they will need all the shiny features of a "real" storefront....and I think they will bring them. I also think it will lead to cheaper/more efficient pricing in the long term. Using current third party key resellers as an argument for steam seems bonkers to me.
I'm up for debating the pros and cons of the stores...but so many posts reek of "get off my land!" tribalism, that it's pretty off-putting.
It sold 12-13 million in all platforms in 2015. By 2018, it had reached 11mi on Steam alone: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2018...recise-player-count-for-thousands-of-games/2/
Isn't the 25mi figure adding all three Borderlands games?
I like that everyone's accusing Randy of shilling because he got paid when there's a simultaneous argument in every EGS thread claiming that developers don't get any of the EGS money, lol.
Anyway, Randy's points are solid and in-line with what industry friends are saying on Facebook.
Anyway, Randy's points are solid and in-line with what industry friends are saying on Facebook.
So other developers believe Steam will die in 10 years?
Or that Epic is benevelont and will save PC gaming? Or that PC gaming needs to be saved?
Those are literally some of Randy's talking points in the OP.
I'm tired of this 'Well people I know agree with some non-specific points I see here'.
Struggling indie devs dont (see Assault android cactus ) , devs who get paid by Epic are devs that dont need them to succeed and are doing fine/great/amazing on steam already, they are just greedy as fuck and would rather destroy their community reception just for a paycheck.
Heavily involved with publishing CEO of multiple companies = every programmer and artist in a game studio.
Come on, now.
Come on, now.
I dont have an issue with bias in the op, it's clear and not trying to present itself differently or as impartial
I dont know why this guy is so twitter happy, i havent really followed his career to know whether he is normally like this or if the internet hazing is getting to him
I dont know why this guy is so twitter happy, i havent really followed his career to know whether he is normally like this or if the internet hazing is getting to him
What specific parts of the linked PDF do you disagree with?
And what is wrong with "Using current third party key resellers as an argument for steam"? Letting developers sell their games on their own stores where they can take a 100% (minus transaction fees of course) cut is the best solution.
It is meant to present the customer/PC gamer argument against the Epic Store so that people with no knowledge of the situation can quickly get up to speed on the reasons that PC gamers are protesting against Epic's policies.
I actually agree with Randy on almost everything here. Valve is faltering and I'm glad EGS is stepping in and I wanna see where they go with it. Now I highly doubt steam Is gonna just sit by the wayside and let it happen so i doubt they will.be gone in 10 years but I'm glad for them getting shook a little. Whether through exclusives or features competition is competition
What is EGS stepping in with?
2009-esque curation that kicks off legitimate indie games?
Charging developing countries more money to pay for the same games?
Locking out one countries that is now one of the biggest rising consumers/buyers of games?
Not having the basic features or security from 2005 much less 2019?
If you actually read the article he says :
"When we look back at Steam in five or ten years, it may look like a dying store and other, competitive stores, will be the place to be."
"The competitive store that happens to be the leader in 10 years may not be Epic's store, but it probably won't be Valve's "
"The faster Valve can maneuver, the longer it can stay ahead of Epic on features. "
"Steam will have no choice but to either give up, lose or to get better faster than ever before. This is good for Steam customers, developers and publishers. Because Valve is pretty damn good with some awesome talent, I do not expect them to give up or to lose. They'll fight for it. And they'll hang on. There's even a chance they come out on top "
"Epic has credibility here because they have been supplying engine technology to the industry for over 20 years and we have all come to be able to trust and rely upon Epic's fair play and good will."
These are all sound and logical things to say. The only way anyone (and from the looks of it most people in this thread) can infer all those to mean "steam will die and Epic will save us all because they are benevolent" is if people don't actually read, read the OP's loaded/biased tldr or just want to post against him because it's Randy Pitchford or because he's talking about EGS. And that last quote about Epic's credibility in the industry with respect to trust and reliance, is an important point to note. It attracts publishers and developers a lot when a company that's been good for them and the industry for all these years offers them an alternative that provides a better payoff.
So 'may' excuses it all.
And Epic's good will still says nothing about consumers in his rant.
So while you parse his talking points in one lense, I do not agree with you points.
Randy's previous actions speak much more loudly at how I trust his words.
Yeah im heavily interested in where we'll be in like 7-8 years. My take (got banned for this a week or so ago; i am not promoting anything) is that it will usher in a new contexualized age of piracy. Not really like the golden age back in the day, but working off of gabe's theory of piracy as driven by service rather than things like price or drm.
I feel like google is best positioned to take advantage of this theoretical future with Stadia, if we follow the line of music piracy -> streaming services. Unfortunately for the music industry, streaming services work with/essentially become owned by majors and i can see the same thing happening with game streaming and triple A's, but we'll see
I feel like google is best positioned to take advantage of this theoretical future with Stadia, if we follow the line of music piracy -> streaming services. Unfortunately for the music industry, streaming services work with/essentially become owned by majors and i can see the same thing happening with game streaming and triple A's, but we'll see
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They're all very fair points, but asking for Era to look at an EGS opinion objectively is asking for too much.
Hmm, I can't find where I got that number from. Borderlands 1 sold about 7-8 million LTD in 2016. Franchise sales were at 26 million 2015 with 13m coming from BL2. Since it's 4 years later and PC accounts for nearly 12m alone (and BL2 in general has been a steady seller), I think it would be safe to say that it's sold over 20m.
It's intreasting that for Epic, we have to parse their talking points in the very best and precise way.
But the same isn't given for any arguements about Steam or Valve. Hyperbole is allowed and even encouraged.
I guess it's asking too much of Era to look at a Steam Opinion objectively is asking too much.
Even you Nome, parrot twitter rhetoric about Steam without any of the nuance you give Epic and arguements for it.
Era's not in agreement with what we think of EGS though. Otherwise this wouldn't be much of a discussion, now would it?
So I don't know what you're trying to imply here.
Exactly.
Nah, it's asking too much for anyone within the industry that could professionally or financially benefit from this deal to take consumer concerns into account. We don't know what's good for us and entitled after all.
I want to know what people in the industry and friends of people in the industry believe is good for unwashed consumers. They are the impartial ones. No conflict of interest there.
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