Where are all the Steam and Console sales numbers. What people want is an affirmation that EGS is failing. And we know no matter what the number is the response will always be some hypothetical bigger number it would've sold on steam.
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Randy Pitchford comments on Borderlands 3 launch numbers
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Where are all the Steam and Console sales numbers. What people want is an affirmation that EGS is failing. And we know no matter what the number is the response will always be some hypothetical bigger number it would've sold on steam.
Interesting comparison for a lot of reasons. BL2 released in 2012, but isn't actually the latest installment in the series - that's The Pre-Sequel from 2014. The 5-year gap between that and BL3 is also the longest in the series' history (2009, 2012, 2014 -> 2019). But good on them, I guess, though I wish these EGS boasts would provide actual numbers and not just vague stats.
Those are huge numbers. I know this place loves to downplay shit cause they hate EGS but that's a success.
Considering BL2 hit 120k~ 7 years ago when Steam was less than half the size, this is less than what I would have expected had it released on Steam in the first place. I imagine we'll get some slightly less vague numbers within the next week though, after the game has been out for at least a week.
For fun series comparison's sake for peaks:
Borderlands GOTY: 23k
Borderlands 2: 124k
Borderlands Pre-Sequel: 68k
So it quadrupled for 2, halved for PS, and doubled 2 Edit: wtf was I saying here lol lemme try again
Borderlands 1 4x -> Borderlands 2 1/2 -> Pre-Sequel 4x -> Borderlands 3
10x Borderlands 1
2x Borderlands 2
4x Pre-Sequel
If you wanted a comparable franchise in another medium, the John Wick one would fit, as that has also either doubled or tripled with each franchise entry.
Borderlands GOTY: 23k
Borderlands 2: 124k
Borderlands Pre-Sequel: 68k
So it quadrupled for 2, halved for PS, and doubled 2 Edit: wtf was I saying here lol lemme try again
Borderlands 1 4x -> Borderlands 2 1/2 -> Pre-Sequel 4x -> Borderlands 3
10x Borderlands 1
2x Borderlands 2
4x Pre-Sequel
If you wanted a comparable franchise in another medium, the John Wick one would fit, as that has also either doubled or tripled with each franchise entry.
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240K is absolutely huge. That points to nearly 2 million copies sold since concurrent is usually around 1/10th of total sales.
Lol. You're the one trolling saying they shouldn't feel good about 240k concurrent because monster hunter world did over 300k concurrent. I was just making the same argument as you.
The borderlands 3 numbers are great and I'm sure they're very happy with them. Monster Hunter World was a massive hit and had much concurrent users on steam. So what?
Where did I say Arma was free? I said free mod, which is true. Player Unknown (the creator) and PUBG Corporation's (the company) first developed game was PUBG. So you've got that wrong too. He made the mod before, but PUBG was his first released game.
Yeah, it's pretty silly to downplay the obvious success of this title.
Sure, it could have (probably would have, even) done better on Steam. I get the feeling it'll pick up a good chunk of those sales anyway down the line. Maybe it ended up as a worse deal than just releasing on steam, maybe it didn't. We don't know. What we do know is that this entry is successful when compared to previous releases.
Don't forget that the original Borderlands was one of the last notable GameSpy games, and it transitioned to Steamworks well after release (shortly before GameSpy shut down, I think). Subsequently, comparisons between BL1 and BL2 on Steam figures alone isn't reliable.
On a tangent but the fact that these numbers are held private is a big annoyance. This is why people are not trustworthy of pr because big companies do all they can to hide data from the public and only release info they want to release. Easy to spin numbers this way too because you have to rely only on the info they decide to give out. I wish we had more transparency with numbers.
It flew off the shelves at a ridiculously brisk pace at my friend's local GameStop, for whatever that's worth. Shrug.
Yup, def not wrong there. The main thing people should go off of is it's likely 250k concurrent, which definitely puts Borderlands as a franchise in a new tier compared to before.
We never will, sadly. Those numbers are tied to employee bonuses and such, and companies really really don't want that stuff out there. That's before you get into companies like Amazon and Netflix, who are generally so data-oriented that it's staggering.
It's interesting how passionate everyone is talking about this when the people who these numbers are truly most important to are employees at gearbox and 2K. Borderlands 3 is a hit and that tweet confirmed it. If you were hoping for low numbers because of egs exclusivity, it's not here. We all know the PC numbers are a fraction of the console ones also. Can't wait to see NPD next month.
This really isn't true anymore. Several recent high profile games have seen >30% of total sales on PC. PC has often been the second biggest platform behind PS4.
Last BL2 numbers we know from 2018 are: 20 million sales in total with 11+ million Steam sales. Which means that the Steam version made up more than 50% of the overall sales, probably more in the range of 65%. (which is "a lot" just in case you aren't good with numbers).
Also 250k CCU PC version isn't exactly something one should call "hit".
Gears (PC + Xbox) got to the number one spot for the day, and now BL3 is doing the same only on Xbox, without demos, passes, bundles or trials.
I think the game is... insanely successful already. Any kind of negative PR regarding Randy, Gearbox, Reviews or Tone is irrelevant.
If this launch went the way I think it did/continues on, then Borderlands 3 is a top 5 game for 2019 when it comes to sales on every platform it's on
It's in the big boi category now
It's in the big boi category now
I think it is a safe bet for top 3.
COD Remake > Fifa remaster > Borderlands 2.5
No, it doesn't. It just means that all those people who promised time and time again that they'd boycott EGS didn't.
Mine is a fair comparison, yours is not. That's simple really.
240k is super huge for a full priced game, it's not amazing for a series with 45 mln copies sold. It's borderlands on steam, with only 6 mln CCU it had 120k, we now have 18+ CCU on steam.
We are "downplaying" cause it would have been a lot more on steam.
Like what is even your point? We now have new standards than 240k, borderlands 2 was breaking records in 2012, BL3 is not doing it this time cause they went EGS. That's it, easy.
Blame Randy for comparing it to that then :)
A game with 250K CCU isn't a hit? Since when?
And yeah those are awesome numbers for BL2 on pc I'm sure those grew over time with the countless sales but I'm sure on launch especially back then it was heavily weighted towards consoles.
I don't think it outpaces MK11 tbh
That being said, MK11 didn't do massive bidness on PC but it made up for it by literally wiping the floor with everyone on consoles, and it has a Switch version
Mine is a fair comparison, yours is not. That's simple really.
240k is super huge for a full priced game, it's not amazing for a series with 45 mln copies sold. It's borderlands on steam, with only 6 mln CCU it had 120k, we now have 18+ CCU on steam.
We are "downplaying" cause it would have been a lot more on steam.
Like what is even your point? We now have new standards than 240k, borderlands 2 was breaking records in 2012, BL3 is not doing it this time cause they went EGS. That's it, easy.
Blame Randy for comparing it to that then :)
Yours is a terrible comparison.
240k concurrent is top 10 all time for steam. That's fantastic. Doing it on EGS is even better.
Anyone saying that this isn't solid is trippin'.
I do think it would have done larger numbers with a wider release, but I'm sure that 2K and Gearbox made absolutely sure that their contract with Epic covered whatever difference they're feeling in that regard.
I do think it would have done larger numbers with a wider release, but I'm sure that 2K and Gearbox made absolutely sure that their contract with Epic covered whatever difference they're feeling in that regard.
Since that time we were talking about Borderlands 3 in this very thread. Like right now.
If you have a potential for half or a full million CCU and only reach 250k of that potential: then "hit" isn't the correct term.
Let's rephrase it like this: 250k CCU is impressive for the EGS and okay'ish for BL3 on PC.
Compared to that BL3 having only 240k remains "okay'ish" because it should have otherwise easily reached a range of 500k++ CCU
I would never have guessed that Hitman 2 was so popular. Didn't the developer get dropped by their publisher? Maybe I'm thinking of another game.
IO bought the Hitman IP from Square IIRC
I believe Dec 2018 is when they launched the free prologue, which gave you access to the Hitman 1 missions upgraded with Hitman 2 graphics
It was hit by card farmers, since adding free demo gave cards.
Oh, that's how it did it. I was curious about that too. I like Hitman but had not expected it as top 10 all time.
Four of those games are on there because they went free/had trading cards to farm.
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Hitman 2
Kathy Rain (a lovely adventure game you should play)
Kholat
Payday 2
Hitman 2
Control's numbers were dreadful yet people said it was doing really well despite the evidence, and now we have people telling us the evidence is lying and the game isn't doing well. What could be at play here?
It seems that they do it to prevent errors during downloading patches. I had to move from Steam to Path of Exile's standalone client because of the long updates for super small patches. Thankfully Warframe patches outside of steam.
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HenryG_Valve said:
Not for Borderlands 2 lol
PC accounts for 50% of BL2 sales (11 million sales out of 22 million)
And it's not true for other games as well, not only Borderlands 2.
Well it helps when Platinum Games isn't run by a conman and compulsive liar
Forum bias is a thing (remember when Ghost Recon Wildlands, the biggest game of the year, was barely a blip?) - I say this as someone who loves Control, but also sees that the expectations for it are several times lower. It'll likely do fine in the end.
All evidence I've seen so far tells me that Borderlands 3 has had a super strong launch, to the point where 2K will likely go 1-2 this month, thanks to Borderlands 3 and NBA 2K20
+1
Very nice to see its steady growth in popularity. But yea, it probably opens to 400k cu if it had launched on Steam, and probably 500k if it launched on Steam and EGS. Oh well. Definitely not a bad haul when considering they already paid for the costs of the game from the EGS money bag.
It seems Control didn't do as well on Console too, at least PC has the "show off RTX on your overly expensive card" thing going for it. As far as giving people that aren't into Remedy Alan Wake games a reason to get it that is (for the graphics). RTX framerate is still too much of a hit for me, I rather have 144hz.
