Of course Borderland 3 will sell well. Saying Borderland 3 won't sell well is like saying the next Elder Scroll won't sell well.
Well that 120k number is from 2012.
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Randy Pitchford comments on Borderlands 3 launch numbers
- Thread starter Turin Turambar
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That's concurrent numbers, that likely means over 800k in day one sales, and I'm being super conservative on that
To compare peak numbers:
Monster Hunter World: 334k (this game sold huge numbers)
GTA V: 364k (same)
Greedfall: 16k (not a fair comparison, but just shows the expectations for number differences)
If you go off and just say straight 250k, it's the 11th biggest title on most played players for Steam's chart, and that's at launch.
It's a really strong launch number to go off of, especially considering Borderlands titles have a pretty long tail.
To be honest, I would generally recommend not worrying about numbers like these anyways, as it is literally day one for the game.
Fair enough, I thought there was a chance the first big sale + DLC release might've pushed it above what was there on launch day.
That simply isn't true. Games like TF2, Warframe, and GTA 5 regularly enter and exit the top 10 despite having 100k or less concurrent players. The disparity between Dota and Pub, then everything else is huge.
If that's the case,then it's good,but not that great. To have 250k concurrent players,I assume they must have sold around 500-750k copies ?
No, he's talking about the record peak chart, not the regular chart.
Yeah, it's a 240k CCU and here's the current Steam top10 concurrent users (CCU) chart for comparison
Compared to that BL3 having only 240k remains "okay'ish" because it should have otherwise easily reached a range of 500k++ CCU
Ah, can I have a link to this chart? I am not finding all-time record numbers. Would still love to look at this, I still doubt 250k peak concurrent wouldn't put you in the top 10 or just about. Which for day 1 on a separate store everybody loves to hate, is still likely excellent.
The all time peak is on September 2012, on launch.
Yeah, it's a 240k CCU and here's the current Steam top10 concurrent users chart for comparison
Compared to that BL3 having only 240k remains "okay'ish" because it should have otherwised easily reached a range of 500k+ CCU
Kathy Rain was free and had trading cards and had a massive push
Kholat was the same
Payday 2 went F2P on that day IIRC
The other games on that list did massive sales numbers except for possibly Hitman 2, but you get the idea
Yes, all-time concurrent peak is just that. The highest peak of all time. BL2 all-time peak happened in September 2012.
It usually happens within the first week, usually at launch day or the first weekend. The only exceptions are games that redeemed themselves with a great patch (No Man's Sky) or GaaS that gained popularity over time (Warframe).
Yeah, it's a 240k CCU and here's the current Steam top10 concurrent users (CCU) chart for comparison
Compared to that BL3 having only 240k remains "okay'ish" because it should have otherwise easily reached a range of 500k++ CCU
I feel the same. This is not very impressive compared to what it could be on Steam BUT it's also not a total disaster. Borderlands clearly has pull. The fact that MHW is so much higher boggles my mind.
yes on egs probably very little on steam probably pretty good, the die hard players will get it at launch and most others will wait.
Counter point is I see Candy Crush commercials every day on tv, but not one MK 11 one
MHW has sold like 5 million on PC lmao, it's a strong ass hit
BL3's launch day concurrent numbers put it on the highest echelon of launch day sales, something it wasn't on when 1/2 came out
Because I unplugged your TV years ago
I thought the same. Reminds me of Microsoft and their boasts this generation.
A band that isn't happy with their sales. I'm fine with the "Epic should release the sales" narrative, but if you're going to ask that of Epic make sure you make that the narrative every time Microsoft says anything about Xbox as well. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
With the marketing push this game had, and comparing with a game like Monster Hunter World, a late port with barely any marketing on PC, 240k is ok at best for a game that the previous entry sold pretty well on PC, will be interesting to see wich leg will grow, the EGS or Steam one.
My point is that Borderlands should be the more popular of the two franchises amongst PC players. Even if BL3 sold well on EGS it clearly didn't reach as large of an audience as it could have had it been on Steam.
no unpacking bs and fast download speed on epic launcher was a big plus for me. Won't hesitate to buy the next exclusive they steal.
Imagine thinking that a multi million seller, like borderlands is on PC since 10 years, doing less than MHW CCU , a series with ZERO presence on the platform since forever, is amazing. In 2012 steam users were less than half of what they are now, 2012 CCU on steam globally were 5 mlns, we are at now 16-18 mlns.
So, yeah, its not amazing, maybe stop believing everything without anazlying vague stuff like "abous as twice" or "did great/amazing" without numbers.
Comparing it to Monster Hunter World, which basically blew the doors off of everything it released on and overperformed every single expectation and estimate on it, just seems like a bad idea
It is not out of bounds to state that the thirst for that MHW content was strong as fuck, lol
BL2 came out in 2012 when Steam had a peak concurrent userbase of around 6 million and BL2 pulled in a 125k CCU.
Today we are looking at around 20 million concurrent Steam users and BL2 is heavily entangled with Steam.
There is no way that a BL3 release in 2019 would only pull 250k CCU on Steam. I'm absolutely sure that BL3 would have easily pulled 500k++ CCU.
That's why the numbers remain okay'ish. 250k is not bad but very far away from numbers that would otherwise be possible.
It's always possible that sales numbers reflect, you know, the game instead of the platform it's on. Just a thought.
Several reviews have mentioned that the game feels like a time capsule of the early 2010s. Maybe lots of players have moved on?
Several reviews have mentioned that the game feels like a time capsule of the early 2010s. Maybe lots of players have moved on?
twice as much is over 230k concurrent, thats like 2 million in sales on day 1...why not release numbers? why is it so hard so just put numbers out there and not be so vague? if true great for the game, imagine only if it were on steam, could have been steams top game in 2019.
Then let's just do what Randy do, compare it to BL2.
If BL2 in 2012 did 125k (when the franchise was still small) and BL3 today did 250k (after the franchise sold 45 million copies), is it actually that great?
Basically, EloKa covered everything better than me.
Can't look at these numbers in a vacuum. Think about the loot shooter market in 2012 vs today. It's night and day.
That kind of estimate is a bit lofty tbh, that's probably over their peak expectations for the game
It's a Gearbox/2K title, they're not going to release numbers like that until an earnings call.
Yes.
These are strong numbers.
I think Destiny 2 will be one of the most played Steam games day 1.
I would also like to think in 2012, BL2 had relatively less competition.
This summer has been better than most in terms of quantity of releases. This on top of all the ongoing games like Fortnite that didn't exist or have a substantial player pool in 2012. The landscape is almost entirely different, particularly on PC.
So if you consider everything, including the fact EGS likely has a fraction of the install base, these numbers are probably making Gearbox and 2K very happy.
Borderlands 3 having a lower concurrent player count than Monster Hunter makes me curious how well it would have done on Steam.
And usually get shit for doing so. Either it's OK in both instances or it's not OK in either. Consistency is key.
It's a stupid comparision. PC Gaming changed a lot in the last 7 years. But considering the circumstances, it's still ok...could be much much higher though with a launch on Steam. We'll see in six months.
The Steam audience is radically different between 2012 and 2019. If Monster Hunter, a game with zero presence on PC until 2018, can blow the doors off of everything just imagine what Borderlands 3 could have done.